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Media Create Sales 6/4 - 6/10
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LanceStern said:
So big name Wii titles sell to a 4th of the userbase. That's not so bad.
Placing an arbitrary number on how many copies a title should sell is ridiculous. The only way to truly know that a title has exceeded the publisher's expectations is by looking at future support. Just take one quick gander at 3rd party support for the DS afterall. Not too many 3rd party pubs have had their titles sell over a M, but regardless, support for original titles and experienced titles are still coming to the wayside regardless...
Grampa Simpson
Banned
It took him 15 days from the end of his last 3 month ban to explode again.Neo C. said:
soundwave05
Member
Ease up on the personal insults guys, sheesh. It's just video games.
the thoroughbred
Member
The Sphinx said:
Your right. And as much as I wanted to see Zelda do great numbers, for a launch it wasn't too bad, Wind waker came out much later in the consoles launch when the install base was larger. I am sure it's still around the bottom of the top 50, and will probably stay there for a while. May not even reach 600k in its lifetime, but hey shit happens, sometimes.
soundwave05
Member
From experience on this board the people who dish out the personal insults are generally the ones that can't take it when it gets thrown back in their face, so I'll just leave it at that.
And also get the memo already "Nintendo fans", "Sony fans", "XBots" etc. etc. etc. it's all the same shit, they all do the same thing on these boards.
And also get the memo already "Nintendo fans", "Sony fans", "XBots" etc. etc. etc. it's all the same shit, they all do the same thing on these boards.
LanceStern
Banned
Nah guys, I learned my lesson not to lose my cool on these videogame message boards. If anything, it's not worth nullifying my Christianity by trying to argue and contend with people online... too much strife.
I'll still state my opinion, hopefully in a reasonable manner, but otherwise, I'm going to leave the negative insults and unreasonable maliciousness to the elitists of the media-create topics.
To go back on topic:
My argument does indeed sound like it did when DS was first released, so I'm hopeful to the future of Wii third party titles getting their rightful sales;
It is still a rationalized excuse however, that some decent effort titles (like One Piece, Naruto, Elebits, Bleach, Resident Evil, Harvest Moon) debuting low and selling worse the next week, most not even breaking one hundred thousand.
I'll still state my opinion, hopefully in a reasonable manner, but otherwise, I'm going to leave the negative insults and unreasonable maliciousness to the elitists of the media-create topics.
To go back on topic:
My argument does indeed sound like it did when DS was first released, so I'm hopeful to the future of Wii third party titles getting their rightful sales;
It is still a rationalized excuse however, that some decent effort titles (like One Piece, Naruto, Elebits, Bleach, Resident Evil, Harvest Moon) debuting low and selling worse the next week, most not even breaking one hundred thousand.
soundwave05
Member
LanceStern said:
That's good advice, I didn't even say anything to anyone in this thread, that's the crazy thing about it. Some people just have nothing better to do and need to start shit I guess.
LanceStern
Banned
And soundwave05, loosus is just trying to start it up again, so it's best to leave that alone.
Most of the insulters will indeed throw out comments, jeers, insults and harassment to people with different opinions, and if you respond, you'll probably get banned, because being completely 180 degrees with the majority of the opinion can give the impression of trolling. The moderators then jump and board, and ax us with our own personal, Scarlet Letters (or Scarlett tags >_>)
It's not all their fault. I had (and still have, only by the grace of God can it be changed) a tendency to stick to the negatives of MC topics. Pounding on the likes of 300k and poor DS sellers. I can be "realistic", but it's not always good to focus on the negatives. The good things can be found if searched hard enough.
It's also best to keep profanity out of messages:
1) It's NEVER needed. No matter what anyone tries to say, it's NEVER needed.
Most of the insulters will indeed throw out comments, jeers, insults and harassment to people with different opinions, and if you respond, you'll probably get banned, because being completely 180 degrees with the majority of the opinion can give the impression of trolling. The moderators then jump and board, and ax us with our own personal, Scarlet Letters (or Scarlett tags >_>)
It's not all their fault. I had (and still have, only by the grace of God can it be changed) a tendency to stick to the negatives of MC topics. Pounding on the likes of 300k and poor DS sellers. I can be "realistic", but it's not always good to focus on the negatives. The good things can be found if searched hard enough.
It's also best to keep profanity out of messages:
1) It's NEVER needed. No matter what anyone tries to say, it's NEVER needed.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Unless a title has abnormally long legs, as does New Super Mario Bros. or Wii Sports, its sales are going to be limited by the current install base of the system. Dragon Quest Swords will have a Wii userbase double-triple what Twilight Princess had when it was a relevant current seller.CANLI said:
For spinoff comparison purposes, the userbase will be even bigger than the GameCube userbase when Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles was released, ~2.3 million in August 2003.
LanceStern
Banned
It debuted at ~240k, hovered around the Top 30 for about what, 5 weeks, then dropped away.
it's LTD'd at 355k. At least that's the number I have >_>
it's LTD'd at 355k. At least that's the number I have >_>
Cosmonaut X
Member
jarrod said:DQ Swords, Crystal Bearers and Chocobo's Dungeon are each going to crack a million sold eventually... you heard it here first!
The first two, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they did. Chocobo's Dungeon... maybe not - I just think it might be a little more niche than the others & if it comes out when the Wii base is still relatively low, a million might be pushing it.
Squenix definitely have the best shot at first third party million-seller, though.
RiskyChris
Banned
I sure hope that Trusty Bell will sell more than the summation of nothing.Izzy said:
LanceStern
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The only game I can see cracking a million out of those is Crystal Bearers.
DQS and Chocobo are a little bit too niche. DQS should do good in Japan (300k or more I think), but US and Europe I don't see more than 400k from them COMBINED.
Chocobo I have no faith in. It couldn't even do well with DS's booming popularity
DQS and Chocobo are a little bit too niche. DQS should do good in Japan (300k or more I think), but US and Europe I don't see more than 400k from them COMBINED.
Chocobo I have no faith in. It couldn't even do well with DS's booming popularity
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
RiskyChris said:
Sum() = 1Sum() = Sum(1), which over an infinite continuum (Sigma summation with no index variable is assumed to be infinite) is infinity.
NGS rising to heaven confirmed!
RiskyChris
Banned
Stumpokapow said:
Um, what. This is what you're doing:
Sum(0) = 1Sum(0) = Sum(1*0) = infinity? No.
Cosmonaut X
Member
LanceStern said:
It's been pointed out before, but are you suggesting that DQS is going to sell less than it's plug-into-your-TV precursor? International sales-wise, you may be right to be pessimistic - DQ hasn't performed well in the West compared to, say, Final Fantasy.
As for Chocobo, I think you're making a mistake looking at the sales of Chocobo Tales - a new franchise, albeit using a familiar character - as an indicator for potential sales of a new Chocobo Mysterious Dungeon title. Mysterious Dungeon 2 topped out over 500k & I think Chocobo Wii is more likely to end up closer to that than Chocobo Tales.
turkification
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So when is hardware? :>
How about Trusty Bell > Folksoul? :lolRiskyChris said:
Kenshin DQ sold over 500k in Japan, and it didn't have the benefit of being on the hottest console around or coming from the core DQ team. Swords is going sell insane amounts...LanceStern said:
Chocobo's the only iffy title imo, but even that could clear a million eventually I think. It did on PlayStation and the recent Pokemon Dungeon did it... really depends on how big the Wii base gets and how well recieved the game is imo.
I don't see Crystal Bearers make more than 500 k even if the userbase will be better than DQ Swords. Dragon Quest series will sell better than the FF series on Nintendo platforms.
Chocobo will not do more than 100-150 k. Even the fantastic Chocobo DS game has made like 110-120k.
From the last videos, DQ Swords looks really great. I love the wiimote manipulation but you know, Japanese people prefer the standard Rpg (alias DQ IX).
Chocobo will not do more than 100-150 k. Even the fantastic Chocobo DS game has made like 110-120k.
From the last videos, DQ Swords looks really great. I love the wiimote manipulation but you know, Japanese people prefer the standard Rpg (alias DQ IX).
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
RiskyChris said:
That's if you assume a blank function with a blank input is zero, and I'm not sure why you'd assume that. I'm not aware of any rule that defines a blank function, but the simplest function in mathematics is associativity.
I guess if you want to be technical, the blank function is ambiguous so the summation of a blank function is indefinite and there's no answer.
Mithos Yggdrasill
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LanceStern said:
Lance, seriously, it's getting boring. We got the point. So please, stop it, or we could begin to think that you're a joke account.
LanceStern
Banned
Well Mithos, I respect you as a poster so I won't really respond to that.
But to those who ask whwy I don't think Chocobo will do so well, it's just that at this current point of time, Wii titles that were supposed to sell really well haven't proven themselves, in either the US or Japan (with 2 or 3 exceptions).
So whether or not it sold well as a TV plug in or DS title, the franchise name isn't selling the games on the Wii ENOUGH TO REACH A MILLION. Especially Chocobo, it's not popular enough.
I could be wrong, but neither DQS nor Chocobo look like potential million sellers.
But to those who ask whwy I don't think Chocobo will do so well, it's just that at this current point of time, Wii titles that were supposed to sell really well haven't proven themselves, in either the US or Japan (with 2 or 3 exceptions).
So whether or not it sold well as a TV plug in or DS title, the franchise name isn't selling the games on the Wii ENOUGH TO REACH A MILLION. Especially Chocobo, it's not popular enough.
I could be wrong, but neither DQS nor Chocobo look like potential million sellers.
Cosmonaut X
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LanceStern said:
Names?
What does this mean?
RiskyChris
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Stumpokapow said:
If you want to be technical, it was a light-hearted joke with tangential relevance to mathematics.
LanceStern
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Sonic, Big Brain Academy, Dragon ball, Madden, Call of Duty etc. They started off very strong, but have been or are showing drastic signs of stagnation. They level off at 250,000 ; 200,000; 150,000 in the US and are done.Cosmonaut X said:
If I had just said, "The franchise names are not enough to sell Wii titles", people in MC topic would possibly comment back (in a very offensive way most of the time) "Zelda in the US? Super Paper Mario? WarioWare?".
So I said the franchise names aren't enough to sell Wii titles up to a million. I just worded it differently. The popular franchises on the Wii just aren't selling like they used to, which is understandable at this time but still a true statement. I say that to justify my reasoning that Dragon Quest (a popular franchise in it's own right) is not a big enough name to debunk the current trend of Wii titles.
RiskyChris
Banned
LanceStern said:
It's pretty much par for the course for ANY game on ANY system to have a strong front-loaded sales period then become insignificant.
Saitou said:
The only thing that worries me is if the Wii playerbase is large enough right now.
LanceStern
Banned
Saitou said:
The way I see it, is this:
1) Dragon Quest was a gigantic popular franchsie at the time of Kenshin's release.
2) More people had TVs then they had videogame consoles.
3) The game sold 500k copies
So you're telling me that the same game, is going to sell twice as much on a system where 3rd party games aren't selling well at the moment? With only a 2 million userbase compared to how many people having TVs?
It doesn't add up to me like that.
But hey, this is the new generation of gamers, so anything could happen (as the DS has proven my predictions wrong quite a few times)
I'm confident a lot of DQ fans will jump ship. I mean, more DQ fans than would be expected for a spinoff. It's being made by Yuji Horii, after all.RiskyChris said:
or so the box says...
Not to mention, the waggle factor may give this game legs.
I must have missed the part where Colosseum was an actual game and not just a means to play GBA battles on a TV screen.
Jaded Alyx
Member
LanceStern said:
The true Pokemon games have always done far better than the console 'stadium' games or any other spin-off.