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[hipbabboom]

Why would you assume the "despondents out in the wild" spend their Sunday nights watching a mainstream news program on a major broadcast network in this day and age?

You're right. I see your point. There's no reason why something dumbed down to reach the masses would ever penetrate the insane niche population isolated from society by an impregnable AT field not even an Angel can break through.... UNLESS(!) Megyn Kelly is piloting the EVA01.

 

[benjipwns]

If anything more people will be watching solely because Jones is going to spend the next week of his show hyping up how he embarrassed Unattractive NWO Robot Kelly.

 

[Kthulhu]

It's happening, he'll be be on TV, so all I can hope for is an utter humiliating public repudiation of his insane views.

Pretty sure he's been in TV before.

 

[Ponn]

Is it really the public, or just the media trying to file people up?

Did that sound deep to you? Kelly did this because its either all she knows to do or trying to catch her former Fox News viewers, or both really. The public, including me, have a legitimate reason to complain. NBC has no reason to intentionally rile up and piss off their current, large, viewing base. They have been incredibly short sighted over all this though and have done some incredibly shitty things to make this whole Megyn Kelly thing happen. As public viewers though we have every right to call them out on their bullshit.

 

[benjipwns]

Pretty sure he's been in TV before.

Even the BBC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgBq6q4x8Fw

 

[Inuhanyou]

They do realize they are putting the families of Sandy Hook in danger even by interviewing jones right? This gives him more credibility and is irresponsible.

 

[johnsmith]

Pretty sure he's been in TV before.

Many many times

https://mobile.twitter.com/damianpenny/status/874319666377875458

Even on the view
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=inumeKwGGNY&feature=youtu.be

 

[benjipwns]

BBC and Piers Morgan ones are the best, something about the Brits sets him off.

 

[Kthulhu]

Even the BBC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgBq6q4x8Fw

Many many times

https://mobile.twitter.com/damianpenny/status/874319666377875458

Even on the view
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=inumeKwGGNY&feature=youtu.be

Thought so. It's all an act and the dude doesn't care about what people think of him so long as they keep buying his fake boner pills and water purifiers.

 

[benjipwns]

Thought so. It's all an act and the dude doesn't care about what people think of him so long as they keep buying his fake boner pills and water purifiers.

Everyone knows the only thing that works is South African Xentrex.

Spoiler

Hail Satan.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

Megyn Kelly's show is seemingly taking shape as a who's who, of human garbage

 

[ErasureAcer]

NBC is garbage for hiring her. Wont watch her shit.

 

[RPGCrazied]

http://www.nbc.com/contact-us

Do your part!

 

[benjipwns]

http://www.nbc.com/contact-us

Do your part!

Alex Jones told me not to give my contact info to the Sheinhardt Wig Company like that.

 

[Nerrel]

Preview:
He suggested that Kelly is a “sociopath” or “psychopath,” and also said Kelly is “not feminine” but instead is “cold, robotic, dead.” He added, “I felt zero attraction to Megyn Kelly.”

Jesus Christ. Colbert's got a lot to work with this week.

 

[Lord Frieza]

Fox News' ratings were also up until O'Reilly got canned. Everyone was getting a Trump bump. MSNBC (like Fox when Obama won) was just getting the largest to where it moved into first place.

Regardless, ratings have been down, especially in the key demographic that advertisers see as prime, as we discussed before. Conservative radio has also been on a downturn.

NBC hiring Kelly wasn't any attempt to produce "right-wing news" it was to grab the hottest news person on the market away from a low rent competitor. Same reason that they pay Matt Lauer over $20 million a year. (And used to pay Brian Williams over $10 million a year.)

Apparently the new owners at one point wanted to slowly turn NBC/MSNBC into Fox News lite. I'm not sure what the exact quotes where, but if it's accurate I could easily see Kelly as an attempt to at least start that process since she's so far to the right. The fact that it's flopping is probably a bit of of buyer's remorse.

The problem was they had nowhere to stick her for the last year because she has a multi-part non-compete with News Corp. Which is also why she's got a Sunday night interview/newsmagazine show. It doesn't compete with News Corp programming, just 60 Minutes.

Which she's losing to. Losing to reruns.

 

[Kthulhu]

Everyone knows the only thing that works is South African Xentrex.

Spoiler

Hail Satan.

Best non-Spicer bit since the Beyonce bit.

 

[benjipwns]

Regardless, ratings have been down, especially in the key demographic that advertisers see as prime, as we discussed before.

No, they haven't. They're up or even year on year, especially discounting the O'Reilly hit.

Apparently the new owners at one point wanted to slowly turn NBC/MSNBC into Fox News lite. I'm not sure what the exact quotes where, but if it's accurate I could easily see Kelly as an attempt to at least start that process since she's so far to the right.

That'd be weird considering how much Trump supporters dislike her.

I couldn't even describe her political views for you. So I'll have to take your word as a regular viewer that she's "so far to the right" or whatever.

Which she's losing to. Losing to reruns.

But is she beating what else would be or was in her time slot? That's all that matters.

 

[OG Shaka Zulu]

NBC should be under fire for hiring Megyn Kelly.

 

[Jeffolation]

Somebody must have cancelled, why else would you be interviewing Alex Jones for the second episode of your program on a new network? Just seems ill advised.

 

[TestOfTide]

At one point, the new owners apparently wanted to turn NBC and MSNBC into this sort of Fox News lite to cater to conservative audiences, but now conservative media is on a downturn. Fox News's own ratings are sinking, and conservative talk radio is starting to sinking (it's a slow sink, but it's a real sink), and I think Kelly's show has shown that the audiences aren't jumping ship, at least not in any mass numbers, and the audience that was there isn't interested. Her premier episode got beat by a rerun of 60 Minutes.

I disagree. It's not that the owners wanted to turn MSNBC into Fox News lite. It's that while CNN had the dumb approach of trying to appeal to multiple audiences by having CNN crossfire panels on everything, MSNBC has been playing it VERY smart by having individual shows catered to individual audiences:

- For those interested in all the Trump/Russia stuff you have Maddow
- For those that hard-hitting liberal commentary you have Chris Hayes
- For suburban conservatives you have morning Joe
- For moderates and "both sides" types you have Greta
- etc.

And it's been working great which is why MSNBC is now beating both fox and CNN in ratings.

 

[Lord Frieza]

No, they haven't. They're up or even year on year, especially discounting the O'Reilly hit.

We've already been down this road

That'd be weird considering how much Trump supporters dislike her.

I couldn't even describe her political views for you. So I'll have to take your word as a regular viewer that she's "so far to the right" or whatever.

Yeah, you are often so caught up in being
contradictory I think you lose sight of the reality of situations. Anyone who has seen Kelly can see she's far right despite her spat with Trump.

But is she beating what else would be or was in her time slot? That's all that matters.

Not 100%, but it lost to a rerun and was only 6 million, which is pretty subpar for network primetime. I highly doubt that's what NBC wanted

 

[LinkAndEpona]

Megyn Kelly's show is seemingly taking shape as a who's who, of human garbage

Indeed, you'd think she would try to build herself back up in a positive way.

 

[OG Shaka Zulu]

Indeed, you'd think she would try to build herself back up in a positive way.

She is unapologetically garbage but has the talent and looks to get away with it.

 

[Lord Frieza]

I think disagree. It's not that the owners wanted to turn MSNBC into Fox News lite. It's that while CNN had the dumb approach of trying to appeal to multiple audiences by having CNN crossfire panels on everything, MSNBC has been playing it VERY smart by having individual shows catered to individual audiences:

- For those interested in all the Trump/Russia stuff you have Maddow
- For those that hard-hitting liberal commentary you have Chris Hayes
- For suburban conservatives you have morning Joe
- For moderates and "both sides" types you have Greta
- etc.

And it's been working great which is why MSNBC is now beating both fox and CNN in ratings.

I'll be honest, I'm not sure where the quote about turning NBC into Fox News lite came from. I may very well be spreading misinformation, and that is my bad if true. I 100% agree with you here. MSNBC is, far far, the best cable news cable. Not that that is saying much, but still.

EDIT: I should specify US cable news show. Internationally, I sure it still sucks.

 

[Javaman]

With him ragging on her, it sounds more like she did an attack piece than a legitimization one.

 

[KernelPanic]

I'll be honest, I'm not sure where the quote about turning NBC into Fox News lite came from. I may very well be spreading misinformation, and that is my bad if true. I 100% agree with you here. MSNBC is, far far, the best cable news cable. Not that that is saying much, but still.

I think all the media outlets are under pressure for more pro-Trump coverage.

 

[Link]

Definitely going to watch. Love her show. She's doing an amazing job.

You post this same drive-by bullshit in ever thread about her terrible journalism. I guess you enjoy watching people with as little substance as you.

 

[benjipwns]

Somebody must have cancelled, why else would you be interviewing Alex Jones for the second episode of your program on a new network? Just seems ill advised.

They did this interview just recently for an episode that airs June 18th.

And it's been working great which is why MSNBC is now beating both fox and CNN in ratings.

But both Fox and CNN's ratings are up too. Everyone's getting a Trump Bump.

Yeah, you are often so caught up in being contradictory I think you lose sight of the reality of situations. Anyone who has seen Kelly can see she's far right despite her spat with Trump.

Well, her "far right" views are so well hidden that they aren't even mentioned in her Wikipedia entry.

Even the five articles (two on the Atlantic, Daily Beast, Slate, Variety) that I just skimmed, of which two expressly claimed that they would expose her radical views, I could barely find any of her own views outside of mainstream moderate conservative ones with one key exception.

That one exception, being a pro-state point of view, which leads to her like most of the media seeing no wrong in police violence against "evildoers." And if they're black, well, that's just good TV.

Her show covering cultural wedge issues is not something I would consider automatically a sign of political views. Someone mentioning Bullshit is a perfect example. Penn and Teller's heavy libertarian (and skeptic) views are almost always against the subject and 80% of the coverage of the topic in the episodes.

That said, I did find out that she is Catholic and refuses to discuss abortion. And originally was going to law school, which explains so much.

Not 100%, but it lost to a rerun and was only 6 million, which is pretty subpar for network primetime.

Sunday

 

[TestOfTide]

But both Fox and CNN's ratings are up too. Everyone's getting a Trump Bump.
]

Which Trump bump are you referring to though? Yes all 3 networks got big bumps in 2015 and 2016 thanks to Trump, but this year Fox News has been dipping (because the went full-Breitbart) and CNN is doing better than Fox but not nearly as well as MSNBC.

 

[benjipwns]

Which Trump bump are you referring to though? Yes all 3 networks got big bumps in 2015 and 2016 thanks to Trump, but this year Fox News has been dipping (because the went full-Breitbart) and CNN is doing better than Fox but not nearly as well as MSNBC.

Fox is up year over year in primetime except at the 8PM slot. (For obvious reasons. EDIT: Gulp, not anymore, jeez Tucker.)

From my post where I looked this up a few weeks ago:

FOX Thursday, May 19th 2016 vs May 18th 2017
5PM: The Five 2.00 -> Specialists 1.84
6PM: Baier 2.10 -> Baier 2.10
7PM: Greta 1.66 -> MacCallum 1.85
8PM: O'Reilly 2.93 -> Carlson 2.66
9PM: Kelly 2.11 -> The Five 2.36
10PM: Hannity 1.81 -> Hannity 2.45

In the demo:
FOX Thursday, May 19th 2016 vs May 18th 2017
5PM: The Five .28 -> Specialists .37
6PM: Baier .28 -> Baier .36
7PM: Greta .26 -> MacCallum .35
8PM: O'Reilly .48 -> Carlson .47
9PM: Kelly .39 -> The Five .49
10PM: Hannity .44 -> Hannity .52

MSNBC just got a huge boost from garbage which is why there was actual movement in the rankings:

MSNBC, same dates:
6PM: Live .48 -> Greta 1.12
7PM: Matthews .74 -> Matthews 1.84
8PM: Hayes .77 -> Hayes 2.05
9PM: Maddow 1.1 -> Maddow 2.91
10PM: O'Donnell .92 -> O'Donnell 2.50

 

[gutter_trash]

I disagree. It's not that the owners wanted to turn MSNBC into Fox News lite. It's that while CNN had the dumb approach of trying to appeal to multiple audiences by having CNN crossfire panels on everything, MSNBC has been playing it VERY smart by having individual shows catered to individual audiences:

- For those interested in all the Trump/Russia stuff you have Maddow
- For those that hard-hitting liberal commentary you have Chris Hayes
- For suburban conservatives you have morning Joe
- For moderates and "both sides" types you have Greta
- etc.

And it's been working great which is why MSNBC is now beating both fox and CNN in ratings.

Alex Jones is beyond the realm of mainstream Conservatism,

he is playing the role of a Conspiracy Theorist nut job and has sucked in many Marks into believing his extremist bullshit.

the normalization of these Conspiracy Extremist characters into the mainstream means the end of normal civil society

 

[Kettch]

I'd be ok with this, if she completely shits on him for half an hour.

I don't really like ignoring people with horrible ideas. Thoroughly debunking and shaming them is a good thing. The daily show was always great at that.

Obviously the interview could also be terrible, but I'll wait until we know what it's actually like.

 

[sturgboski]

I hope she ruffles his hair.

 

[benjipwns]

Here's last Thursday for further comparison total (demo):

5PM: Specialists 2.17 (.45)
6PM: Baier 2.67 (.53)
7PM: MacCallum 2.34 (.52)
8PM: Carlson 3.29 (.63)
9PM: The Five 2.90 (.62)
10PM: Hannity 3.35 (.75)

MSNBC
6PM: Greta 1.28 (.29)
7PM: Matthews 1.95 (.49)
8PM: Hayes 2.12 (.54)
9PM: Maddow 3.35 (.98)
10PM: O'Donnell 2.81 (.75)

CNN
5PM: Blitzer 1.87 (.59)
6PM: Blitzer 1.72 (.58)
7PM: Burnett 1.57 (.55)
8PM: Cooper 1.83 (.66)
9PM: Cooper 1.73 (.59)
10PM: Lemon 1.56 (.55)

 

[jono51]

http://www.nbc.com/contact-us

Do your part!

I've filled out this form 15 times now, it took me almost an hour (basically since you posted) to keep making new email accounts. I hope they take her off the air. Keep up the pressure GAF, we got this.

 

[TestOfTide]

Fox is up year over year in primetime except at the 8PM slot. (For obvious reasons. EDIT: Gulp, not anymore, jeez Tucker.)

From my post where I looked this up a few weeks ago:


MSNBC just got a huge boost from garbage which is why there was actual movement in the rankings:

Except you aren't comparing it to preTrump. Before Trump, fox was obliterating CNN and MSNBC in ratings. It wasn't even a contest. CNN and MSNBC were literally never getting anywhere Fox's numbers except when they covering Presidential Debates.

But now that's changed drastically. Now Fox News actually has to worry about the competition. They absolutely are NOT celebrating that fact.

 

[Lord Frieza]

Well, her "far right" views are so well hidden that they aren't even mentioned in her Wikipedia entry.

Even the five articles (two on the Atlantic, Daily Beast, Slate, Variety) that I just skimmed, of which two expressly claimed that they would expose her radical views, I could barely find any of her own views outside of mainstream moderate conservative ones with one key exception.

That one exception, being a pro-state point of view, which leads to her like most of the media seeing no wrong in police violence against "evildoers." And if they're black, well, that's just good TV.

Her show covering cultural wedge issues is not something I would consider automatically a sign of political views. Someone mentioning Bullshit is a perfect example. Penn and Teller's heavy libertarian (and skeptic) views are almost always against the subject and 80% of the coverage of the topic in the episodes.

That said, I did find out that she is Catholic and refuses to discuss abortion. And originally was going to law school, which explains so much.

All you have to do is have watched almost anything she did on Fox News. I know being contrary is your thing and all, but there are times when it's just obviously being obtuse for the sake of being obtuse. If you really don't know, then you need to actually watch some of Kelly's Fox News work. If that's not 'far right' to you, then well...I don't know what else can be said outside a disagreement on what 'far right' means I guess.

Sunday

Rerun of 60 Minutes.

And being Sunday doesn't matter that much. 6 million for a widely hyped premier that had an exclusive interview with Vladimir Putin may be solid overall, but I highly doubt NBC just wanted solid for what was hyped as one of their biggest poaches and a rumored 20 million contract

 

[benjipwns]

Except you aren't comparing it to preTrump. Before Trump, fox was obliterating CNN and MSNBC in ratings. It wasn't even a contest. CNN and MSNBC were literally never getting anywhere Fox's numbers except when they covering Presidential Debates.

But now that's changed drastically. Now Fox News actually has to worry about the competition. They absolutely are NOT celebrating that fact.

You compare like against like. Fox's ratings are up despite you and Freiza saying they're down. Whatever CNN and MSNBC's ratings do is parsecs less important.

Do you think that Fox and MSNBC are competing for the same audience or something? I can't imagine there's much if any crossover between the three networks outside of people trapped in waiting rooms, continental breakfasts or airports.

And being Sunday doesn't matter that much. 6 million for a widely hyped premier that had an exclusive interview with Vladimir Putin may be solid overall, but I highly doubt NBC just wanted solid for what was hyped as one of their biggest poaches and a rumored 20 million contract

Uh yeah, Sunday does matter when you're talking about ratings. Just like Friday and Saturday do.

And we already covered the fact that she has a multi-stage non-compete with News Corp programming.

All you have to do is have watched almost anything she did on Fox News. I know being contrary is your thing and all, but there are times when it's just obviously being obtuse for the sake of being obtuse. If you really don't know, then you need to actually watch some of Kelly's Fox News work. If that's not 'far right' to you, then well...I don't know what else can be said outside a disagreement on what 'far right' means I guess.

Would you like to provide some clear cut examples rather than launch unjustified and evidence free character attacks against me? Considering I actually already talked about the research I did specifically looking for her political views and how it came up bupkis.

 

[TestOfTide]

You compare like against like. Fox's ratings are up despite you and Freiza saying they're down. Whatever CNN and MSNBC's ratings do is parsecs less important.

Do you think that Fox and MSNBC are competing for the same audience or something? I can't imagine there's much if any crossover between the three networks outside of people trapped in waiting rooms, continental breakfasts or airports.

Except in the example you gave only 1 of those timeslots were significantly up year over year (hannity's slot). Everywhere else was either worse, the same, or only slightly up.

And are you really asking if Fox is competing with MSNBC and CNN? Of course they are. That's why before Trump, they were CONSTANTLY bragging about the fact that they were beating those other networks in ratings.

Alex Jones is beyond the realm of mainstream Conservatism,

he is playing the role of a Conspiracy Theorist nut job and has sucked in many Marks into believing his extremist bullshit.

the normalization of these Conspiracy Extremist characters into the mainstream means the end of normal civil society

I'm not defending NBC or Megyn Kelly. My comments were specifically about MSNBC.

 

[Lord Frieza]

You compare like against like. Fox's ratings are up despite you and Freiza saying they're down. Whatever CNN and MSNBC's ratings do is parsecs less important.

Do you think that Fox and MSNBC are competing for the same audience or something? I can't imagine there's much if any crossover between the three networks outside of people trapped in waiting rooms, continental breakfasts or airports.

Ultimately, yes, but realistically, the bled over probably isn't very much anymore. But the ratings are still down however you want to mentally gymnastically jump around it, especially in the key demographic. But you know this already, because it's already been argued

Uh yeah, Sunday does matter when you're talking about ratings. Just like Friday and Saturday do.

And we already covered the fact that she has a multi-stage non-compete with News Corp programming.

It's doesn't matter that much. A 6 million debate against a rerun isn't that great, whichever way you want to spin it, and you sure are trying. It's not beyond recovery, of course, it's just the first episode, but I highly doubt NBC is too happy about that, especially with how much they hyped the Putin interview.

Would you like to provide some clear cut examples rather than launch unjustified and evidence free character attacks against me? Considering I actually already talked about the research I did specifically looking for her political views and how it came up bupkis.

Just google her or something and I'm sure you can find a multitude of her videos. It's not that hard to find, I'm sure. It may not be your definition of 'far right,' but it sure is mine.

And lol, unjustified and evidence free character attacks. Get out of there with that man, you know like 99% of times you post it's just to be contrary to whatever the consensus is. And there's nothing wrong with that sometimes, but sometimes it's definitely just being obtuse. You're trying to go out on a limb to defend Megyn Kelly here, dude lol

 

[Huge Succeeded]

You don't fucking legitimize Alex Jones or give him any platform regardless of your intent. Genuinely one of the most terrible public figures in America today.

 

[benjipwns]

Up is up. It means I can charge you more to advertise South African Xentrex than I could a year ago. I'm not worried about losing viewers to MSNBC or CNN, why would I be?

You're confusing public bragging for actual business.

The real lesson that News Corp took away this year is that it can kill off its three biggest programs and not lose anything. Even among the demo.

But the ratings are still down however you want to mentally gymnastically jump around it, especially in the key demographic. But you know this already, because it's already been argued

Except I don't know this because I'm the only one to actually post any of the ratings and in every instance they're up over last year.

A 6 million debate against a rerun isn't that great, whichever way you want to spin it, and you sure are trying.

Again you're completely ignoring everything important in the TV business. You're saying "against a rerun" when that's not all that aired Sunday in primetime and isn't all that matters. What else did NBC have to air in the slot? What has NBC aired in the slot in the past? Dateline looks like it regularly does near 3-6 million, so the same type of show doing the same type of numbers is unsurprising.

NBC in particular is difficult because of football. That eliminates nearly half their Sunday season. As a result they basically didn't have Sunday programming this last year that wasn't Dateline or Little Big Shots. Or a movie. Airing movies in primetime! That's part of their Sunday schedule in the year 2017!

And again, non-compete.

Just google her or something and I'm sure you can find a multitude of her videos.

So you missed where I did this and struggled to find any examples?

You're trying to go out on a limb to defend Megyn Kelly here, dude lol

Where have I defended Megyn Kelly? I questioned your claim that she's "so far to the right" and you keep repeating it as if that magically makes it true rather than doing what you also claim is so easy to do that it should take just a few minutes for me to find volumes of evidence that the Finns Party just elected her leader.

you know like 99% of times you post it's just to be contrary to whatever the consensus is.

I do not.

 

[KernelPanic]

Something is wrong with the world when Vladimir Putin is constantly appearing in interviews(and that Oliver Stone thing) and then a quack like Alex Jones.

 

[ISOM]

This is why I don't know why anyone defends this woman. She is in with the right/far right. The only problem she had was the sexual harassment. She deserves very little attention.

 

[TestOfTide]

Up is up. It means I can charge you more to advertise South African Xentrex than I could a year ago. I'm not worried about losing viewers to MSNBC or CNN, why would I be?

You're confusing public bragging for actual business.

The real lesson that News Corp took away this year is that it can kill off its three biggest programs and not lose anything. Even among the demo.

Yeah I'm sure they couldn't possibly be worrying about the fact that before Trump they NEVER had to worry about any competition and now since Trump and since losing all their key players they haven't been getting the same sort of bump as their competitors.

Worse yet is the fact that too much of their audience is too old for advertisers to care about them. The only shit you can sell to people above the age of 70 is reverse mortgage scams, geriatric medicine, and gold.

 

[Seiryoden]

You can take the woman out of Fox...

 

[Lord Frieza]

Yeah I'm sure they couldn't possibly be worrying about the fact that before Trump they NEVER had to worry about any competition and now since Trump and since losing all their key players they haven't been getting the same sort of bump as their competitors.

Worse yet is the fact that too much of their audience is too old for advertisers to care about them. The only shit you can sell to people above the age of 70 is reverse mortgage scams, geriatric medicine, and gold.

Yep, and that's the thing that benji ignores about this, too. The main demographic for Fox News is the least desirable one, and it's always been this way really, but it's always been strong enough to offset the other demos which were okay, but that key demo (24-49 for cable news apparently) is going elsewhere, or just leaving TV altogether. So even a little stagnancy or drop for Fox News is pretty bad right now. It's not like they're in dire straits, but there's a reason why they haven't cut Hannity yet when they probably want to.

 

[benjipwns]

The freakin demo this week is way up over last year, even Carlson has absorbed the hit to go up!

5PM: The Five .28 -> Specialists .45
6PM: Baier .28 -> Baier .53
7PM: Greta .26 -> MacCallum .52
8PM: O'Reilly .48 -> Carlson .63
9PM: Kelly .39 -> The Five .62
10PM: Hannity .44 -> Hannity .75

 

[IaN_GAF]

I can't help but be a little bit amazed at how important television still is in American society.

A preview of an interview. Like a trailer for a movie.