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New PS3 Model (CECH-4000) Registered on FCC (Jeff_Rigby alert)
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Yup, TGS it looks like, with units starting to appear on store computers it isn't that far off.
Small summary for new page then:
Most likely full reveal at Tokyo Game Show Sony conference next Wednesday.
Drastic size difference in Z and Y direction.
Loudninja pointed out that Elios was right on the money with the original PS3 slim release (date, price etc) ahead of reveal so $199 for 12GB sounds likely for the US with that in mind (also based on Australian pricing).Elios said:PS3 will get a price cut, 20GB model won't cost more than 199$ with two games included, maybe
Most likely full reveal at Tokyo Game Show Sony conference next Wednesday.
Drastic size difference in Z and Y direction.
jeff_rigby
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Using this converter $288 AUD is $305 USD for the 12 gb PS3 4000 chassis. Currently a PS3 slim 3000 chassis with 160 Gb drive is $249.
Either I have my facts wrong or it's an increase in price. Good question is what's driving the higher price. Popular opinion is that it's just a smaller version with a cheaper drive. In that case currency issues or manufacturing costs have gone up. My speculation is that it's a complete redesign to reduce costs as well as add new features. It can be a bundle price including depth camera, that works. It can have a HDMI pass-thru or TV tuner built in, the cost is too high for just those but a combination of any of the above could justify the cost increase.
Negotiator
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PAL region countries get ripped off. So yeah, it's not a proper comparison.
LOL @ your crazy wild speculation. EU/AUS/NZ always get ripped off! It won't have a depth camera, HDMI passthrough or any other fancy stuff.
pieatorium
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basic rule is take $100 off the Aus price and you got close to US one
Vita wifi is 250 US and 350 here
Using this converter $288 AUD is R$617 Brazilian Real (BRL) for the 12 gb PS3 4000 chassis. Currently a PS3 slim 3000 chassis with 160 Gb drive is R$1,399.
Either I have my facts wrong or that's a massive 56% price cut. That means the new PS3 will only be $109 in the US.
Either I have my facts wrong or that's a massive 56% price cut. That means the new PS3 will only be $109 in the US.
jeff_rigby
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Forgot the value added tax that is HIDDEN in the price. We in the US require all taxes to the displayed/disclosed.
Edit: Yeah there is no support for it other than it looks like Microsoft will have a Xbox 361 with HDMI pass-thru. Tru2way and ATSC 2.0 are coming soon, if the idea is a competition to become the must have for the living room TV then it's possible, it doesn't cost much to include either TV tuner or HDMI pass-thru. Sony is behind the Allvid FCC proposal which would be 6 TV tuners connected to a Home network with a conversion to a second DRM scheme like DTCP-IP in the home. NASNE is closest to that idea. Something needs to be done to insure Tru2way (RVU) and ATSC 2.0 survive the chicken and egg cycle this time.
pieatorium
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Brad Grenz
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I'd be surprised and disappointed by $199 for 12GBs. That's not much of a price cut at all. I wonder if the pricing would have been more aggressive if WiiU was $249.
How is cutting it by $50 not much of price cut?
specialguy
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Though it was 16GB (not 12) and semi confirmed at $179?
Elios said that model want cost more than $199.
So who knows it could be less, but with 2 games included I doubt it.
$200 has always been the 'mass market barrier'.
Sony needs all the money they can get these days but they want to cross that barrier as well.
Negotiator
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Lagspike_exe
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Brazil has heavy import taxes.
XMB OS takes space. It's 16 GB internal memory for sure, but it's going to be marketed as a bit less.
Forgot the import tax that is HIDDEN in the price.
OK, let's get serious; A$348 > A$288 = 17% pricedrop. $249 x .83 = $206. So looking at $199 in US.
jeff_rigby
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No, the competition will have the same...haven't you been reading my posts? Confirmed both Xbox and PS3 will have a Full featured HTML5 browser for the first time ever, the Xbox 361 in the leaked Xbox 720 powerpoint 7/2010 had a HDMI pass-thru and typical lead time for a new refresh is about 2 years so it was already in the pipeline at the time the powerpoint was made.
I'm making the assumption that the PS3 4K will have the same not the other way around. It's either that or Sony has some other way of providing Tuner access for ATSC 2.0 OTA and inclusion in the video stream for Cable Set top boxes that don't support RVU.
If Microsoft hadn't mentioned the Xbox 361 in that powerpoint I would have assumed that the above would be a next generation feature not a needed in 2013 when this is starting.
A large part of my reason for buying Sony stock is in the above. If Microsoft stock wasn't so expensive I'd buy it too. 2013 is going to shock everyone.
Brad Grenz
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Because they're cutting 146GBs of storage at the same time. They're cutting the price by about the same amount as the HDD costs to include. That's not a big improvement in value. Getting the entry level price lower is nice, but I thought they could go as low as $150 for the flash model, with a cut on the entry level HDD model to $199.
They're bundling in two games to that. We heard reports of the 12Gb model being 179 before, so I can only assume the bundles will be 199 and console without bundles will be sold for 179.
It was a joke, I don't actually believe we'll see any of that happen when PS3 4K is announced. Besides, who cares about HTML5 browser or HDMI pass-thru? Those won't shift any PS3s, and Sony have already made their PS3 forecasts for this FY based on the knowledge that they will be releasing the 4k model, so PS3 4k release should have no affect on Sony's share price whatsoever. If Sony wanted to support ATSC they would have already released a version of Play-TV/Torne in NA.
jeff_rigby
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I realized it was a joke.
ATSC 2.0 started with Non-Realtime-Transmission two months ago but FINAL specs for ATSC 2.0 will wait for 1ST quarter 2013 and "Candidate Status". NASNE is in the pipeline and we don't know what the PS3 4000 chassis has as far as hardware. I think the Technoblog pictures might be fake.
PSN expansion will be official with DASH streaming to their CE platforms (includes PS3) using webkit2. Ultraviolet, PSN store, Playview (Zoomable media) and more will finally be available.
Negotiator
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Why would Sony release a PS3 with 4K support?
pieatorium
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4000 or 4k is the model number
Negotiator
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Oh, I was confused. :S
fluffydelusions
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Any ideas on release/announcement for this thing?
Released within the next 2 weeks, announced next week at TGS. Honestly, it's on the previous page...
fluffydelusions
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BradleyLove
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PS3 already had 4K support albeit only for still images.
OK, sorry this thread is gigantic. Didn't want to wander aimlessly
Coolio, sorry it's just that we've had a number of posters asking the same question in the last day or two, so it wasn't specifically directed at you but rather GAF at large.
fluffydelusions
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A 12gb model seems so weird and just doesn't seem viable. For 360 it works sure because it doesn't have any mandatory installs whereas PS3 does. I guess price will be a big factor. I kind of want to pick another one up just for TLOU, Beyond, and FIFA.
Regarding that AU$288 price. While the 160GB PS3 has been AU$349 RRP (MSRP) here, it never really sells at that price, if it does it's usually with a couple of bundled games. The past year or more you've been able to find it for around that $288 price regularly, and infact it has even gone down to $248 and as low as AU$229.
So a $288 price for a cheaper model without a HDD would be pretty terrible. Would need a street price of AU$200 or so to be good value. In comparison the cheaper Wii U will retail at $349, with a street price probably closer to $300 in some stores.
So a $288 price for a cheaper model without a HDD would be pretty terrible. Would need a street price of AU$200 or so to be good value. In comparison the cheaper Wii U will retail at $349, with a street price probably closer to $300 in some stores.
It works for general media entertainment and PSN games. For BR games, it's probably better and easy to add a HDD.
lunchtoast
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So I'm wondering if I buy a new one but want to use my 500gb from my old one, how would I do that? I can't just make a backup and restore on the new because of the PS3 id right? To do a system transfer I'd still have to delete a bunch of stuff if I got the 16gb version.
See for those games that you've mentioned you probably wouldn't even come into trouble using the 12GB. Sony first party games don't need huge installs (some don't need installs at all) and neither does FIFA if I remember correctly.
fluffydelusions
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Yeah, I guess if I can add a HDD at a later time as well it shouldn't be a problem. Is this going to be announced at TGS...that is Thursday right?
Glorified G
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So it went from 16gb to 20?
Yeah and thankfully there's no propriatory only bullshit. Sony's conference is on Wednesday, I think, a day before TGS opens. We're expecting an announcement there.
Or down to 12...the reports aren't very clear on this part.
iceatcs
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Whatever the flash size but what I'm very curious is where the flash will be, What happen to flash data if start to use own HHD?
I won't be surprise there is no more easy HHD slot on the new model.
Or some of OS data will reserve and perm on flash on every new models. Some left over on flash or/and HHD can be use for consumers.
I won't be surprise there is no more easy HHD slot on the new model.
Or some of OS data will reserve and perm on flash on every new models. Some left over on flash or/and HHD can be use for consumers.
I'm interested in seeing how it works out for us in the UK, the 160GB is about £180 and the 320GB around £210, if they can manage £50 off that it would sit at less than the basic 4GB 360 which to me would be crazy.
KillerMan91
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Shame that high yen has probably eaten a lot of cost reductions of PS3 during last couple of years. I was kinda amazed when I looked the historical Euro/Yen exchange rates. During August 2008 one euro was 168 yens...Nowadays 99 yens. Damn. With more normal yen exchange rate they really could go aggressive with pricing.
Ragingnight
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so basically $200 for 12/16 gig, $250 for 250gig and $300 for 500gig right?
All coming bundled with 2 games.
All coming bundled with 2 games.
Gran Turismo...that was actually mentioned in the TGS Sony conference thread.
For the 12GB model, I'd see something like LBP2 and LBP Karting
I wouldn't bet on a brand new $60 game being packaged in such as LBP Karting, but I suppose anything is possible seeing as how this is all yet to happen.
Sony package new games all the time dont they?
Ragingnight
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uncharted 3 bundle was 300 bucks and came with 320gig. The 320gig alone was 300 bucks.
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