boyshine
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Wheres PS2 on that scale?
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New Super Mario Bros U no longer a launch title?
- Thread starter Agent Unknown
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Wheres PS2 on that scale?
MintLemonade
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This is exactly my point. Instead of holding a developer accountable for when they have fumbled the ball, you view the companies embarrassments as a comparison scale.... Nintendo Wii U has been almost a disaster on every level.
- Messaging (The controller works on Wii, right?)
- Lineup (Pikmin 3 and a couple Ubisoft titles)
- Tech (Not mult-touch, barely better than a 360?)
- Understanding ( If Nintendo makes the decade old Wii controllers a focal point for the Wii U, will the Wii plus controllers be included in the new system or not? If not, another blunder by Nintendo)
- Lack of online functionality
- Lack of Social Media strategy ( They just hired a new head a month ago)
- Etc.
And yet....
you bring up Sony...
Must be nice to be able to live with that amount of indoctrination in your life....
The HivemindGaf....
...laughable.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
I Stalk Alone
Member
Did you just say hivemind? oh dear.....
The studio/group that developed pikmin 3 also developed NSMB U so yeah you can argue that it was lazy if you wish but think about how a small development group can develop two launch titles in tandem is pretty hard if you ask me both titles are going to be gobbled up by the masses.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
Wait, you're using negatives to signify having a good run?
MintLemonade
Banned
Both completed years ago. Pikmin is another up-resed Wii game.
This excuse does not help your argument.
Stealth20k
Banned
Mario U is nothing like any of the others......and worthy as a launch title
... Really?
ZombiePlatypus
Member
I totally get how the overall list of launch titles shown is kinda underwhelming and somewhat phoned-in, but you honestly believe that the games (and I guess the console) are bad enough to completely bring down Nintendo? Really?
I hate what the launch is shaping up to amount to so far, but I have no doubt that they'll eventually parlay the system into something worth having.
In business terms it IS "us vs them"
Branding everything Wii U will help a lot.
Hasn't been announced yet exactly what they'll launch with, although we can guess. Even taking out Nintendoland (which is PROBABLY a pack in) you don't think Wii U Fit will sell? You don't think NSMBU will sell? We know there will probably be much more than that, but both of those titles ALONE are guaranteed multi-million selling holiday hits and probably evergreen titles.
Someone hasn't been paying attention.
They definitely need more clarity on their launch plans.
Bullshit.
Actually I thought one thing Nintendo made pretty clear in their press conference (and was even in the Legends internal trailer that got leaked) was that Nintendo DOES have such a strategy.
I mentioned Sony because Nintendo made a profit overall this generation, in fact they made an ENORMOUS amount of mney this generation. They lost money this last year in a once in a blue moon event, but overall? They've made HUGE amounts of money between the Wii and the DS. Sony on the other hand... well, they've been in financial trouble for a long time.
So when you start talking about the Wii U being the death of Nintendo it seems to fly in the face of... well, reality to be honest. Nintendo could COMPLETELY GameCube this generation and STILL make money as they proved before... during the GameCube era.
Meanwhile Sony can't lose money forever. They're in the midst of a major restructuring which they will hopefully emerge from well off but they're at MUCH bigger risk than Nintendo is.
I Stalk Alone
Member
You think the other 6 EAD groups are doing nothing at the moment? you think they made that new facility for nothing? You don't have a clue what you are talking about do you? nothing was simply upressed.
Nintendo has 18 internal studios and with probably over 30 affiliations and collaborations for other nintendo published titles being developed at this moment by other development teams between Wii U and 3DS.
Agent Unknown
Member
Right. And it must be nice to be so deluded to think that Sony who has been burning through piles of cash like the Joker in the Dark Knight for the past 5-6 years is a better act to follow.
Hmmmm. These posts are starting to taste more like piss lemonade than mint.
Hobbestetrician
Member
Or some BurntPork
The latest it'll be is November 18. Three weeks earlier can't fit a "holiday" release? :lol Stuff is getting to you, schuelma.
Agent Unknown
Member
:O !
Imagines scene from Seinfeld where Jerry catches a glimpse of Kramer madly chasing after his plane, waving his arms on the runway then says 'Could it be...? Nah.' Then again, haha
toadster101
Banned
This is one of the most embarrassing things I've ever read.
Stealth20k
Banned
Yeah that ranks high up there
Hero of Legend
Member
As long as Mario makes it into the holiday season, there's no problem, no real missed opportunity I'd think.
Hell, if Pikmin 3 is day 1, this would be beneficial to Pikmin 3, but who knows?
Hell, if Pikmin 3 is day 1, this would be beneficial to Pikmin 3, but who knows?
chertipros
Member
Calm the fuck down bro. It really is not that serious. Realistically, the wii u will do well whether you want it to be successful or not. Your underestimating how much appeal nintendo consoles and games have on people. The nintendo fan base is one of the most devoted ive ever seen and theres no way they will let the console be DOA. Besides the wii u will generate buzz from the media by simply being a new wii. It will do well. Not wii all over again well, but still successful nonetheless. This really is how nintendo operates and they've been doing this their entire existence as a video game company. It's so weird how alot of people just want nintendo to be like a company it's not and if you want nintendo to be like sony so much, then just buy sony consoles.
AkimbO_Arcana
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Wow... This thread delivers.
MintLemonade
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Stealth20k
Banned
I dont hate anyone on this board and try to be friendly to everyone.
But we all say stupid things sometimes (me included)
SilentTristero
Member
I doubt New Super Mario Bros U would get nearly as much grief if it was as visually creative as Trine 2, or if they went the route of Kirby's Epic Yarn. That Van Gogh background looked cool, but that's really the only spark of passion I've seen in the game so far.
Stealth20k
Banned
the van gogh back ground was great.
I even think the first level was great
And the demo starry night level
we havent really seen anything
The latest it'll be is November 18. Three weeks earlier can't fit a "holiday" release? :lol Stuff is getting to you, schuelma.
Well, holiday season matches up perfectly with the week before thanksgiving. October doesn't.
MintLemonade
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Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Man... if Mario really isn't a launch game... this could honestly be the most pathetic launch for any system, ever.
C'mon, Nintendo. I want to want your system. Don't you want me to, too?
C'mon, Nintendo. I want to want your system. Don't you want me to, too?
MintLemonade
Banned
Bold random punctuation for the win. I like you.
Where is your avatar from? It's neat.
Stealth20k
Banned
its still looking like the greatest launch window lineup Ive ever witnessed.
The Albatross
Member
Man. Wii U. What are you doing.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
Pretty much exactly how I feel. I'm ready and eager to be won-over and eat-up the hype, but they have to throw me a freaking bone.
Stealth20k
Banned
^ i love it how your all going crazy and believing the comments from a regional hired hand basically
chertipros
Member
Yeah the people in this thread must be under the impression that the ps3 launched with MGS 4 and the 360 with gears and halo. Does anyone remember how abyssmal the n64 launch was? and how stagnant the gamecube's library was after launch? The ps3's launch line up wasn't to hot either and i doubt people will say "if the ps4 doesn't launch with uncharted 4, it's D00M3D. The hyperbolic remarks in this thread are ridiculous
ZombiePlatypus
Member
My sentiments towards the console are all based on what titles they've shown so far for launch. It can all change for the better provided that they have a few surprises up their sleeves that they haven't revealed yet.
Launches are almost always crappy (only exception off the top of my head is Dreamcast's) but there's usually at least ONE game that entices me. Besides, previous systems' crap launches don't justify a bad launch for a new console.
Certainly from the perspective of "games most likely to generate sales upon launch" it's hard to argue with that.
MintLemonade
Banned
You can't really compare launches of different gaming era's to this one; because were in brand new territory with the launch of this gen thanks to browser/social media technologies.
Why do you think people were mocking Nintendo Land as nothing more than a collection of 99cent apps?
Social media, browser based gaming, etc. are now dominate forces in the mainstream ecosystem. Wii was lucky in that it showed up right before the smartphone boom hit. Now...
Nintendo is simply fading away.
Shikamaru Ninja
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Never heard that one. But it's more like a collection of 12 distinct Kinect games.
Baby steps. Nintendo has a lot of defensive walls that have to be destroyed before any of that happens.
I actually think Super Mario Bros. U looks great. I also think the Mii factor is going to be a huge hit. As far as the launch line up, and overall 2012 first-party games. There is still a cloud of mystery regarding how many first-party launch games Nintendo will release, and how many more it will squeeze in by December 2012.
ZombiePlatypus
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Browser based games and flimsy 99 cent appish games are generally not gonna fullfill the core gamer. Nintendo might struggle with the casual market maybe, but they're not gonna be obsolete so long as they don't ignore the core demographic. Same with the other two.
Would you say this is uniquely true of Nintendo?
Silent_Ocarina
Member
It's easy to be disappointed with the art direction of the New series. However, I think New Super Mario Bros. U looks a lot less sterile than its brothers. Better backgrounds and even little things like better grass can go a long way.
It looks clean, and I like it.
I'm not specifically talking about NeoGAF when I say this, but I recall some people being quite upset when Reggie claimed that gamers should be satisfied with games like New Super Mario Bros. U and Pikmin 3 as launch titles. Some people kept saying things like, "We didn't want 2-D Mario. We wanted 3-D Mario."
Now, when these games end up being released later than expected, we're suddenly riled up about that. If you didn't care that New Super Mario Bros. U was on the launch line-up, why should you care if it isn't?
It looks clean, and I like it.
I'm not specifically talking about NeoGAF when I say this, but I recall some people being quite upset when Reggie claimed that gamers should be satisfied with games like New Super Mario Bros. U and Pikmin 3 as launch titles. Some people kept saying things like, "We didn't want 2-D Mario. We wanted 3-D Mario."
Now, when these games end up being released later than expected, we're suddenly riled up about that. If you didn't care that New Super Mario Bros. U was on the launch line-up, why should you care if it isn't?
MintLemonade
Banned
The Wii was built on the casual market.
This is the main reason why the Wii U is looking more and more like a catastrophe as we get closer to launch... Between the messaging issues with the mainstream and lack of quality software for the dedicated, Nintendo has only themselves to blame...
ZombiePlatypus
Member
Well because it was still something. (Even if it's nowhere near being adequate.) Taking even that away would be suicide.
chertipros
Member
Fading away from what? all their games are still selling and are still very popular. there is an obvious demand for these games. I mean look at mario party 9 and mario kart 7. New entries in a tired series that have seen little changes throughout iterations, but they still sold gangbusters. And even look at Pokemon Black and white 2 selling almost 2 million on opening day. Hell, even rhythm heaven fever did well for itself Considering that was a 40$ game that SHOULD have been on ios. Nintendo can't simply "fade away" because they have franchises with devoted fans that look forward to the next installments. Look at the immense hype for animal crossing jump out on the 3ds to see what i mean. As long as these games are not on ios, and there are no games like it on ios, nintendo will not fade out
Holy Order Sol
Member
Then I'll wait.
MintLemonade
Banned
This sentence is the exact reason why the death of Nintendo has begun...
Stealth20k
Banned
This is one silly discussion
That's...quite a claim you have there.