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NieR: Automata Spoiler Thread
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I learned eventually, but it never stops me. I need them cores man...
Everything must die. I gotta get to Level 99 somehow for that Emil Fight.
I'm a bad person and Undertale was wasted on me :x
I dunno man, when 6O talked about how her "life was over" because she got rejected when asking that one girl out, the androids immediately started veering too close to humans for me, haha.
That's a good outlook to have in general though.
it's fun the amount of questions you can draw from it. i thought it more along the lines of what is anybody's worth - what is worth in the first place? - what worth can you build or find for yourself even when all around you is constructed to take you in a certain direction?
many things to ponder in n:a
i thought it was funny how convinced the androids were that they weren't human when they were effectively just slightly bizarre humans anyway
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Yeah, that too.
Certainly the game feels like instead of asking "are androids life?" it is asking "why are androids life?" and billowing out with different ideas from there.
The former at this point has been done to death.
I agree. I've thought a lot about these types of questions, so it was blunted as well. I quite detest(ed) 9S for his actions and mindset. But what's there is strong. Route C-E is largely where it all comes together for me, with Route A and B being particularly weak and more or less laying the foundation of the questions it approaches. I wasn't even mad at Popola or Devola, I was happy to see them, so even that subversion didn't really do anything for me. It's rough that they're intentionally programmed to feel guilt.
I'm planning on playing again in the future because there's a LOT to digest, but I'm not too sure I'm sold on how Nier A presents its story.
DevilDog
Member
There is just some much bad stuff in this game I don't know where to start.
Instead ill just say something good about it. I really liked how the story was revealed to be in the end. They really put some thought into it.
Also people killed non-hostile stuff? When will you learn that this is the cheapest way the devs are going to try to make you sad?
Instead ill just say something good about it. I really liked how the story was revealed to be in the end. They really put some thought into it.
Also people killed non-hostile stuff? When will you learn that this is the cheapest way the devs are going to try to make you sad?
Maybe realizing that made it easier for them.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
It doesn't really chastise you for killing non-hostiles though.
Huh, it's not really so much about feeling sad, at least for me. More like, it likes to take advantage of how our first instinct is to attack, so it creates an "Oh shit lol" moment when you learn you didn't have to attack enemies like the tank or Augustus.
At a certain point the idea of "Yoko Taro is out to make you feel bad" had been so drilled into me that I went into the game looking for that. I don't think I ever attacked anything that wasn't aggressive towards me.
That's on me at a certain point.
Also I didn't give a shit about upgrading things all the way so I didn't care about resources that things dropped.
That's on me at a certain point.
Also I didn't give a shit about upgrading things all the way so I didn't care about resources that things dropped.
DevilDog
Member
But people knew you didn't have to attack, they just did it so it wouldn't be a problem later on.
I was so underleved because I didn't kill anything that I didn't have to. The game spawns a couple of hostile robots around the world, who constantly respawn. Violence towards them really makes no sense, apart from an XP standpoint, which is one of the reasons this game dissapointed me. I would have liked an undertale kind of system where I could do stuff without killing useless enemies.
yeah, instead you end up by the nature of the storyline just feeling bad about it yourself
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Eh, you don't really get much XP from killing randos? I definitely just ran past things mostly. Side quests are where all the extra XP comes from other than the main story.
Skyball Paint
Member
One thing that never quite squared for me is how, in the main quest, 9S insists that machines are just mindless drones, but in side-quests, he does display a degree of compassion and friendliness towards machines, and will speak of them like they're thinking, feeling beings.
Is there an explanation for his inconsistent treatment of machines?
Is there an explanation for his inconsistent treatment of machines?
Oh, yeah it did change the meaning of that in a nice way
i understand the feeling, that game is really helping me stand with my own two feet, it's a really sad and dramatic game but it fills me with hope too
I'm a woman, i find that line cheesy because 2B is so strong i didn't want her to think of herself as if it is a bad thing, girls can be awesome too you know? But here "girl" means things like "fragile" and "in love with a guy" and i, personally don't like that way of reading the word....But i do get why the line was there, she's a strong soldier but she's also hopelessly in love, It's just my internal hardcore feminist nitpicking, she didn't make me drop this game at least, but i can't turn my mind off for that stuff completely(i've also disabled self destruct and find that 2B's skirt being ripped in ending A/B was unnecessary and pretty distracting
)I can't refuse killing that tank when Nines ask me to do it
I didn't kill it on route B tho
I never thought they were up to no good. Because weren't they trying to save humanity in the first game? They were a boss fight but if they had beaten you, humanity would have been saved. The worse thing they did was helping the player out for too long in Nier 1.
He's conflicted about machines in the main quest as well
Story snippets from the official strategy guide:
In other words, it's complicated. His natural friendliness makes it easy for him to talk to non-hostile machines though, but don't mistake that for genuine compassion; he still looks down on machines, and he doesn't make a concerted effort to truly understand them.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I never really read the only one girl line as a girl being lonely in love or whatever. Adam and eve themselves are a deconstruction of that trope really.
I mean the story is pretty much just about the burden of existing alone in a way.
I mean the story is pretty much just about the burden of existing alone in a way.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Best game.
:3
:3
I'm a woman, i find that line cheesy because 2B is so strong i didn't want her to think of herself as if it is a bad thing, girls can be awesome too you know? But here "girl" means things like "fragile" and "in love with a guy" and i, personally don't like that way of reading the word....But i do get why the line was there, she's a strong soldier but she's also hopelessly in love, It's just my internal hardcore feminist nitpicking, she didn't make me drop this game at least, but i can't turn my mind off for that stuff completely(i've also disabled self destruct and find that 2B's skirt being ripped in ending A/B was unnecessary and pretty distracting
i took it more as focusing on the 'only one', i.e. i'm only a single person to stand up to all of this bs
broz0rs
Member
Holy shit.. the game actually deleted my save file. I was adamant to play this game without reading guides or ask too many questions. So when I reached the point where the pod was directly asking me if I wanted to sacrifice myself to save other players, i thought why not? I had no clue the game would wipe out literally everything lol. 40 hours gone, but I'm not too salty about it because the game was so good.
I would focus on that if the singer enphasized the "one" part, but when she goes like "giiiiirl" my mind shifts to girl, i mean i really get the meaning of the phrase and i like to read it like this too but it's a thing i cant switch off when sang like this ;--;
As someone who had to use other people's help to finish it I'd like to say thank you. And i'm glad you enjoyed the game
This is how I interpreted it as well. Individually, you're powerless to stop the immeasurable amount of suffering that happens in the world, no matter how hard you try. But if you can find other people who are also willing to do whatever it takes to create a better world, then you can work together to do what you would be powerless to do alone.
Basically, the song is describing the struggle going on during the credits of Ending E. I thought it was an incredibly beautiful experience. (I feel like such a dweeb typing that out, but it's true lol)
Omg, that's awesome!
Lol
Thinking about it now...why the hell does A2 cuts her hair anyway?
NightShift
Member
It's symbolic for a change in character. I guess because you get to control her immediately after and that she has 2B's memories.
I also think it could have been a clever way of tricking people who watched the trailers and preview into thinking that she was 2B since they also have the same face.
"It's her way of paying tribute to a unit which had the same type of personality data (type 2)"
—Yoko Taro
Symbolically, she takes over 2B's place in the story and acts as a proxy for her.
Definitely this as well
How awesome is this woman? Damn.
Man, Roubdabout really does go with everything.
Thanks, i love it how from 9S's point of view that kind of thing can look insulting as hell too
Kira's Twitter gives me life, holy crap that's amazing
Basically the Pods gathered parts to repair the 3 of them and with the personal data recovered, should be able to live on. Although it could end up terrible as they just repeat their actions and doom themselves. I think there was a concert script that had some events for Post Ending E.
Basically the Pods gathered parts to repair the 3 of them and with the personal data recovered, should be able to live on. Although it could end up terrible as they just repeat their actions and doom themselves. I think there was a concert script that had some events for Post Ending E.
microtransaction
Neo Member
My brother. I just went through the same experience. ~70 hours gone before my very eyes. Ayy LMAO. I was looking forward to replaying using the bad ass armor, guess not. Feels bad, man.
Lionel Richie
Member
Pod directly says it's going to delete your data, at that point I said NO because fuck it I still have swords to upgrade. I then felt a bit like shit and wondered if that's what Taro wanted me to feel by offering that decision knowing damn well people would refuse it for the petty reasons I did lol.
It is now safe.
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