DerZuhälter;242819121 said:I don't think Sony is willing to miss out on the magical price point of 399 for too long.
But why would PS5 have to be out in 2019?If Patcher is right, then it makes perfect sense that Pro had to be out last year and not this year.
If PS4 Pro is this year instead, that means the gap between Pro and PS5 is two years, whereas the gap between PS4 and Pro is four years.
That's the impression that I got with the half step nonsense. I don't think PS5 will operate at normal time tables considering PS4 is still selling like crazy, has a ton of big name, AAA games in the pipeline and Pro was released not too long ago. There's too many things in place that give the idea that Pachter is wrong. Hopefully Sony realizes this and doesn't rush a PS5 to the market in response to Scorpio or anything else.
But why would PS5 have to be out in 2019?
The only reason we're talking about that now is because XB1X beats Pro in power, which happened because Pro was rushed out in 2016.
If Pro came out this year instead, more powerful than XB1X, then they could easily wait until 2021 with PS5 and give it a nice power boost to 14TF or something like that. Rushing out PS5 in 2019 will only put them in a similar situation since MS will yet again be out later with a more powerful box.
Yes I know that power alone doesn't mean much but I know that lots of people jumped from 360/XB1 to PS4 simply because PS4 got all the definitive version of multiplats, as did I.
So I think it would be unfortunate (for Sony) if MS got the power lead with XB1X until 2019 when PS5 arrives only to take it back again a year later with XB2. We would hear lots of "Nah I'll wait for the next Xbox instead to get the definitive versions".
But why would PS5 have to be out in 2019?
The only reason we're talking about that now is because XB1X beats Pro in power, which happened because Pro was rushed out in 2016.
If Pro came out this year instead, more powerful than XB1X, then they could easily wait until 2021 with PS5 and give it a nice power boost to 14TF or something like that. Rushing out PS5 in 2019 will only put them in a similar situation since MS will yet again be out later with a more powerful box.
Yes I know that power alone doesn't mean much but I know that lots of people jumped from 360/XB1 to PS4 simply because PS4 got all the definitive version of multiplats, as did I.
So I think it would be unfortunate (for Sony) if MS got the power lead with XB1X until 2019 when PS5 arrives only to take it back again a year later with XB2. We would hear lots of "Nah I'll wait for the next Xbox instead to get the definitive versions".
In the flip side you do not wait until your current console is completely dead to introduce the successor, you still want it to be popular and selling well and having good mindshare when you introduce the successor console. Waiting for Wii sales to drop off massively and some of the users to flee to smartphones before releasing Wii U helped that console to fail.
I think we will get:
Late 2019 Release.
Full BC with PS4 titles.
$399 Price.
In terms of power it is hard to say, probably will be as much as they can get in at a $399 price point.
I think the above are pretty much a lock (outside of it maybe being released in 2020). The things I am more curious about is how will the console and games be marketed, and will there be "PS5" games. I think we could see the PS4 and Pro being "forward compatible" where they can play current gen games, but at a lower performance and graphics or something. Basically, if Sony are adopting a release pattern similar to iPhones, then maybe they will also continue to support the PS4 consoles after the PS5 release.
I think we will get:
Late 2019 Release.
Full BC with PS4 titles.
$399 Price.
In terms of power it is hard to say, probably will be as much as they can get in at a $399 price point.
I think the above are pretty much a lock (outside of it maybe being released in 2020). The things I am more curious about is how will the console and games be marketed, and will there be "PS5" games. I think we could see the PS4 and Pro being "forward compatible" where they can play current gen games, but at a lower performance and graphics or something. Basically, if Sony are adopting a release pattern similar to iPhones, then maybe they will also continue to support the PS4 consoles after the PS5 release.
Only 2TF higher than XB1X, 2 years later? Seems too low imo, and you'd barely notice that jump which would be a hard sell if it's supposed to be a completely new gen starting from scratch with the installed base.
I'm thinking things will advance about 2TF per year, at least, so it'll be about 10TF by 2019 since XB1X is 6TF this year, and 12TF if they go with a 2020 launch. 14TF for XB2 in 2021.
2016 - PS4 Pro - 4TF
2017 - XB1X - 6TF
2019 - PS5 - 10TF
2021 - XB2 - 14TF
2022 - PS5 Pro - 16TF
Something like that. Unless they go up in price, then anything could happen.
But why would PS5 have to be out in 2019?
The only reason we're talking about that now is because XB1X beats Pro in power, which happened because Pro was rushed out in 2016.
If Pro came out this year instead, more powerful than XB1X, then they could easily wait until 2021 with PS5 and give it a nice power boost to 14TF or something like that. Rushing out PS5 in 2019 will only put them in a similar situation since MS will yet again be out later with a more powerful box.
Yes I know that power alone doesn't mean much but I know that lots of people jumped from 360/XB1 to PS4 simply because PS4 got all the definitive version of multiplats, as did I.
So I think it would be unfortunate (for Sony) if MS got the power lead with XB1X until 2019 when PS5 arrives only to take it back again a year later with XB2. We would hear lots of "Nah I'll wait for the next Xbox instead to get the definitive versions".
DerZuhälter;242819121 said:I've been seeing PS4pro discounted to 300 and less. PS4 Slim to 180 and less. I don't think Sony is willing to miss out on the magical price point of 399 for too long.
How much is PS4pro going to be christmas 2018? 200? When are you going to introduce the next hardware? 2019 Black Friday?
This is too long of a gap. Sony will introduce new hardware before 2019. I am absolutely certain of that. It might be a new VR headset model, a handheld or a console. But something will be sold for 399 in 2018 by Sony.
If PS5 is fully BC it doesn't even have to have a software library when introduced in 2018.
You are about as clueless as Patcher!
I am too, but I must have PS too for the exclusives. I've had enough of being locked into playing the way some else decides though.
We are not getting an 8-10 year generation.
2019 at earliest, 2020 at latest.
This gen started in 2013 btw.
I doubt it will be a half step, specially since Microsoft are pushing Xbox One X as a powerhouse.
But it will probably be the same architecture so hopefully it will have PS4 BC.
But why would PS5 have to be out in 2019?
The only reason we're talking about that now is because XB1X beats Pro in power, which happened because Pro was rushed out in 2016.
I know the gen started in 2013. We're in year 4. Historically, most systems are sold in years 3-5 - specifically, price drops 1 and 2 are generally very effective. PS4 is still selling fast, and there is no reason to shift gens anytime soon. Not only does Sony want all those mid and long tail buyers, they -need- them.
I realize that buying into a gen early makes it feel 'long' [I bought a PS4 day 1], but while early adopters are important at establishing a system, they are actually a pretty small percentage of buyers.
And those mid to late buyers aren't trying to buy an 'old' out of date system. They want to buy a system that plays all the newest games for at least 2-4 years.
Maybe, but the core gamer word of mouth won't be as positive. PS3 hype and "it's more like Xbox 1.5" definitely hurt the Xbox 360 launch. PS2 hype hurt the Dreamcast launch.I believe more in "who comes first wins". Why wait 1 more year to have a, probably, powerful console, more expensive (we can expect the first discounts on the PS5), less games....
Sure there will be people that will wait, but the price tag is always the real deal.
Considering how the talk goes in PC vs console discussions I doubt that it would be accepted by console gamers. Maybe if we have full forward and backwards compatibility but people around here don't seem to like that either if it holds back the newest gen.Ive suspected for a while that seeing people are happy to upgrade their smartphones every 2 years why cant it work for consoles. In a couple of years down the track you watch Gamestop putting consoles on 2 year plans so you can upgrade to the next half step machine with upgraded experiences.
Considering how the talk goes in PC vs console discussions I doubt that it would be accepted by console gamers. Maybe if we have full forward and backwards compatibility but people around here don't seem to like that either if it holds back the newest gen.
Didn't Shawn Layden specifically say that that PS5 wouldn't be a half-step console around E3?
I was thinking about forward compatibility regarding holding back, like today with Pro and X and no exclusives.BC does not hold back new gen.
Full forward compatibility does not exist in PC or mobile. Games on both platforms have minimum specs, and there are games that simply cannot be played on hardware that is not sufficiently powerful.
The same will be true for the next Xbox/PS5. At a certain point, games will target those platforms as the minimum spec once there are the install base to justify it.
So what's the controversial part here?
2019/2020 sounds reasonable.
PS4 BC sounds reasonable.
240fps though lol.
4K 60fps should be suggested target with new Zen CPU baseline and HDMI 2.1 variable framerate to catch the hickups.
Full step in 2020 sounds good, but no BC is just bullshit.
What the fuck Sony?
That said, as we discussed in another PS5 thread already, people should not expect a 20TF / 128GB RAM monster for 399 bucks - neither in 2019 or 2020...
I know the gen started in 2013. We're in year 4. Historically, most systems are sold in years 3-5 - specifically, price drops 1 and 2 are generally very effective. PS4 is still selling fast, and there is no reason to shift gens anytime soon. Not only does Sony want all those mid and long tail buyers, they -need- them.
I realize that buying into a gen early makes it feel 'long' [I bought a PS4 day 1], but while early adopters are important at establishing a system, they are actually a pretty small percentage of buyers.
And those mid to late buyers aren't trying to buy an 'old' out of date system. They want to buy a system that plays all the newest games for at least 2-4 years.
Didn't Shawn Layden specifically say that that PS5 wouldn't be a half-step console around E3?
What the fuck Sony? did they announce anything?
I'm most certain PS5 will support PS4 BC, it would be incredibly stupid and dangerous to their brand if it won't and they know it, people today are expecting their library to always move forward with them, it's a standard and they won't fuck with it.
Maybe, but the core gamer word of mouth won't be as positive. PS3 hype and "it's more like Xbox 1.5" definitely hurt the Xbox 360 launch. PS2 hype hurt the Dreamcast launch.
MS got lucky last gen since PS3 didn't deliver and had a weaker GPU and was trickier for devs, if PS3 would've been more powerful and easier to code it would've been a slaughter.
I think the Pro launch has been hurt by XB1X in a similar way, "wait another year and get true 4K and the definitive versions on all multiplats for the rest of the generation" has been a problem for Sony when launching Pro.
If PS5 would come out next year it wouldn't be a problem, to battle XB1X I mean. But a 2019 or 2020 launch is simply too far away and they've just launched the Pro like half a year ago so they can't talk about PS5 yet or it'll hurt the sales of PS4/Pro. It's really not the best scenario.