So I dont know the full history here, but this statement implies that the courts ruled that the CSRs were not approved by congress and were therefore illegal, but the Obama admin appealed, keeping the payments going. Trump admin then dropped the appeal. Is this correct? If so, what standing does anyone else have to appeal the CSRs being ended?
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT6| Made this thread during Harvey because the ratings would be higher
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RumbleHumble
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He's gone ahead and lit everything on fire in anticipation of Friday the 13th, huh?
Has there been any actual hints of something dropping today, or is it just assumed because the bad luck and all?
Curious Puppy
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Friday is when big stuff drops if theres stuff to drop, and were kind of overdue for some oppo.
RustyNails
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At this point it's worth debating how Supreme Court will rule on it, because they will take it all the way there.
I'm assuming that states have standing because ending the CSRs would significantly hurt their state insurance markets. The argument right now is to keep them going until the court appeals process is fully exhausted.
Edit: also the court already allowed the states to step in and defend the subsidies
Does anyone have the legal arguments from both sides? Did we think that obama paying the subsidies would be ultimate made illegal by the Supreme Court or would they allow it
SomewhatGroovy
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Trump is set to speak at the Values Voters Summit tomorrow three years in a row. The likes of Roy Moore and Phils Robertson are also expected to be there. Really the entire thing is an anti LGBTQ party
whyamihere
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It's crazy to me that there is usually SUCH high turnover with Japanese Prime Ministers (like, Australia bad), yet the same party has pretty much held power in Japan except for like, a spat in the 90s and from 2009 to 2012. There have been 32 Prime Ministers of Japan in 70 years (that's 1 every 2.2 years!) and 23 of those have been from the same center-right party.
The entire Trump administration are all.. well I forget the term, but the types that are obsessed with being part of "royalty".
aspiegamer
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Ooh, the subsidy cuts specifically target people just above the poverty line? Nice. This will be fun to try to explain to people.
SpaceCadetKeon
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I still can't believe there were (and still are) LGBTQ people who seriously thought Trump would protect us. Morons.
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thepotatoman
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I don't think congress will kill it. I feel like i've seen more than enough republicans already take the position of not wanting to go back on the agreement just to show that america keeps its word.
nature boy
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Plz call, I'm totally not trying to implode Obamacare, believe me
What is an apostrophe
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Sorry. You took ownership when you cut off payments.
SpaceCadetKeon
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Damn, that was fast. He literally just decided to stop subsidies for insurance companies, and already he's blaming Democrats.
ArkhamFantasy
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Big problem he has is the reliable republican voters who are losing coverage actually know whats going on. They know the names of all their local politicians, they know who votes for what, they pay attention.
aspiegamer
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CNN: "Trump ends health subsidies for poor people." (They're not wrong, though it's not the poorEST poor people. Just poor.)
Going to be a long day, people.
Going to be a long day, people.
cartoon_soldier
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Better headline than Trump ends insurance company payments at least.
The strategy is simple.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
So basically the exact same method most republicans have used for the last 10 years: Lie.
Here is the problem, though. Republicans got away with lying about taxes and benefitting the rich for years because their voters were handed scraps. They didnt really feel pain. Health care costs, though, are going to skyrocket and GOP has total control of Congress. The same huge amount of people that let the tax cut stuff go arent going to buy this because they are directly being affected.
Here is the problem, though. Republicans got away with lying about taxes and benefitting the rich for years because their voters were handed scraps. They didnt really feel pain. Health care costs, though, are going to skyrocket and GOP has total control of Congress. The same huge amount of people that let the tax cut stuff go arent going to buy this because they are directly being affected.
aspiegamer
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When you're President, you own this shit. He campaigned on fixing all of this allegedly awful stuff and people aren't going to be amused by a health care market that's somehow worse after 4 years of Trump. People aren't that that stupid. He got enough votes on his Obamacare lies, and those people expect results. Subsidies ending? Let's just pretend they don't understand that Trump's ending them, for the sake of this argument. 6 million poor people will want to know what the hell happened to their money for insurance on Jan 1st and wonder why the government can't fix it. After all that's what Trump said he'd do!
balladofwindfishes
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This strategy doesn't work when the sabotage of the law makes headlines and everyone knows you did something to the law. They might not know the specifics, but they know you touched the law and now it's your fault if it broke.
metalslimer
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Omfg that last tweet...
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He got to hurt the ACA and soon JCPOA, hes like an abuser who can be try to be nice for a brief moment after he beats his wife.
This morning in Maine
Even if it just talks about the EO and not the CSR payments I feel most voters will just mentally wrap all the actions together into "fucking with my Healthcare!"
This came aftet three stooges on a couch plus Geraldo were talking about PR. Geraldo almost said something negative about him and then that tweet came out right after.
Also, Geraldo made a point of saying he doesn't agree with poor people not having access to affordable heathcare and you could hear Gilamead trying to come up with a counter argument about why they should go without it. He managed to muster up "But Medicaid!" But that doesn't help everyone.
nature boy
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I'm a bit confused if this is a good thing or a bad thing, TBH
balladofwindfishes
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Has nobody explained to Trump that this whole fiasco may turn Florida permanently blue and make a GOP presidency incredibly hard to win in the near future?
He's creating an entire generation of solid blue voters in a key swing state from his incompetency.
I realize PR's disaster was unprecedented and they weren't really stable before and the cleanup was always going to be very challenging... but come on. The way he's handling this is just ridiculously poor form.
He's creating an entire generation of solid blue voters in a key swing state from his incompetency.
I realize PR's disaster was unprecedented and they weren't really stable before and the cleanup was always going to be very challenging... but come on. The way he's handling this is just ridiculously poor form.
Greigor The Fellhand
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A good thing, a fucking great thing.
Thaedolus
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You say that like he gives a shit. Hes a RINO and only does things out of service to his ego and spite for his enemies. He doesnt give a flying fuck about the GOP
Futurevoid
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The courts have already ruled that the CSR payments were unconstitutional as they usurped the power of the Congress to appropriate funds. Most spending in Obamacare was mandatory and they didnt exist because of executive action. The Obama administration continued paying them out while the ruling was appealed with the admin defending the CSR spending.
Now the Trump admin will drop the appeal but the court has also ruled that the 18 or so AGs who sued to keep them in place can take over the appeal/defense of the CSR payments moving forward.
Would have been a super easy Dem pickup tho.
Slackerish
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Depends on how you look at it. Dems would maybe win the Senate seat, but lose the Govern. Now maybe Dems will win the Govern, but the Senate seat will stay R.
I like her, so I see it as a good thing.
Brock Reiher
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Is there any way Congress could reinstate the subsidiaries?
Lol
BoogieWoogie
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Yes, but its the GOP. We'll see what happens but man, as if 2018 wasn't already going to be a bloodbath, imagine when premiums have skyrocketed and people are being kicked off healthcare because of Donny Tiny Fingers.
Futurevoid
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Yes, they could simply appropriate the funds.
Alexander/Murray are working on a bi-partisan bill to do just that. Ryan has already said he refuses to bring it to the floor for a house vote before even seeing the thing.
lol @ Zinke minting *personalized coins* of himself. What an utterly bizarre thing.
That may be their strategy, but all voters will see is their healthcare getting worse and more expensive with Trump and a Republican Congress in office.
That may be their strategy, but all voters will see is their healthcare getting worse and more expensive with Trump and a Republican Congress in office.
balladofwindfishes
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I still can't get over how profoundly stupid Trump's EO is.
The GOP doesn't get to say they repealed Obamacare, but still has to deal with some of the downsides of actually repealing Obamacare. It's lose/lose for them.
The GOP doesn't get to say they repealed Obamacare, but still has to deal with some of the downsides of actually repealing Obamacare. It's lose/lose for them.
BoogieWoogie
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Does Trump ever spend time with his wife and son? When's even the last time he saw them??
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