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Rage at Rage Reviews Thread

Vire

Member
Between the PC impressions and the less than impressive review scores - I think I will be passing for now unfortunately.
 

sk3tch

Member
The reviews are bad news, to me. $60 is a lot of money to invest in a game that you cannot sell or trade (Steamworks). Now I kind of wished that I had kept my RAGE 360 NewEgg pre-order ($43)...since I could sell or trade that if the game wasn't to my liking.

I think I am going to take a "wait and see" approach and look for price drops/used copies. I'll go through the pain of returning my Amazon copy when it arrives tomorrow.
 

luka

Loves Robotech S1
SalsaShark said:
Ars Technica does the worst reviews ive ever read. Ever.

They complained at Duke Nukem Forever not having iron sights.
Ben Kuchera is the reason I have long since removed ars from my bookmarks and rss feeds. Pretty much the most insufferable and self-righteous "journalist" I've seen. Like Jim Sterling without the occasional moment of wit and levity.
 

Paches

Member
~Kinggi~ said:
In other news, other thread seems to indicate pc release is a clusterfuck. People crashing, horrible texture pops.

eeeek

This combined with the mediocre reviews went from interest piqued to AVOID. Oh well, more time for Dark Souls and BF3.
 

Salsa

Member
Tough couple weeks for PC release days, geez

sk3tch said:
The reviews are bad news, to me. $60 is a lot of money to invest in a game that you cannot sell or trade (Steamworks). Now I kind of wished that I had kept my RAGE 360 NewEgg pre-order ($43)...since I could sell or trade that if the game wasn't to my liking.

I think I am going to take a "wait and see" approach and look for price drops/used copies. I'll go through the pain of returning my Amazon copy when it arrives tomorrow.

Man idk what you guys are smoking, i mean i respect whoever it is you go to when you want to read a review, but all im seeing in this OP are 3 sixes and every other score being 7, 8, 9 and above.
 
Zeliard said:
What id games have you played?

Wolfenstein and iterations of...

Doom and iterations of...

Quake and iterations of...

I'm not saying they are dumb guys. Quite the contrary but I find their shooters pretty shallow. Equivalent of FPS porn.
 

Paches

Member
luka said:
Ben Kuchera is the reason I have long since removed ars from my bookmarks and rss feeds. Pretty much the most insufferable and self-righteous "journalist" I've seen. Like Jim Sterling without the occasional moment of wit and levity.

You are doing Ars wrong if you go there for video game coverage. Just sayin'.
 

Salsa

Member
DevelopmentArrested said:
Ben Kuchera:


I can't help but think a lot of outlets aren't reviewing Rage, they're reviewing whether or not they'd like to get Skyrim early.

Jesus christ what a fucking idiot.
 
Zeliard said:
What id games have you played?
Although I am not the person you are replying to, I have played all of id's efforts and I do not think it is unfair to say that the technology behind their games are great and for the most part their multiplayer, although much of that can be laid at the feet of the mod community that created so many great maps, but when you cast the light on single player game play, this is clearly id's weak spot.
 
sk3tch said:
You said "Ars Technica's reviews" - the site in general.




Good point. I haven't played the game. However, I am calling the reviews quality because there is sound reasoning behind why they rated the game low in my opinion. Arthur Gies even wrote a blog post about this...probably expecting a lot of backlash: http://pragmagic.tumblr.com/post/11011110177/musings-on-rage.
It's amazing how much more of an interesting read that is than the joystiq review

I usually don't agree with Arthur but he's a good writer when given the freedom to do so
 

Zeliard

Member
bigdaddygamebot said:
Wolfenstein and iterations of...

Doom and iterations of...

Quake and iterations of...

I'm not saying they are dumb guys. Quite the contrary but I find their shooters pretty shallow. Equivalent of FPS porn.

Shallow, really? The Quake series features some of the deepest, most skill-based multiplayer out there.
 

Gravijah

Member
bigdaddygamebot said:
Wolfenstein and iterations of...

Doom and iterations of...

Quake and iterations of...

I'm not saying they are dumb guys. Quite the contrary but I find their shooters pretty shallow. Equivalent of FPS porn.

i find that the actual gameplay is the best part of the doom series. the simplicity and act of shooting something is great.
 

Derrick01

Banned
SalsaShark said:
Jesus christ what a fucking idiot.

He sounds like people on here do sometimes, even me :p

Then again I'm not getting paid to review games. I feel like I'm allowed to react unreasonably from time to time.
 

soultron

Banned
So, time-honoured tradition of holding back reviews of a release that a publisher isn't confident in or pure coincidence?

The Joystiq review makes it seem abysmally linear and a waste of potential.
 
May be pretty but if the story/ world isn't interesting I guess I'll skip. Too bad, the characters looked interesting enough.
 

shintoki

sparkle this bitch
SalsaShark said:
Man idk what you guys are smoking, i mean i respect whoever it is you go to when you want to read a review, but all im seeing in this OP are 3 sixes and every other score being 7, 8, 9 and above.
And there are three nines... Talking about selective attention.

Even the more positive reviews seem to say that its just another fun game. Good mechanics and ID's fantastic engine, but it lacks ambition and spark. Something to really make it feel memorable. To many of us, it is the 10$ steam sale a year later. Definitely not worth the 60$ asking price, but something we wouldn't mind picking up and enjoy playing through once, while fading off into obscurity shortly after.
 
Zeliard said:
Shallow, really? The Quake series features some of the deepest, most skill-based multiplayer out there.

If that's your bag then so be it.

I'm certainly not going to dissuade you.

id games (I was going to say id shooters but...well...they're predominantly a FPS dev) are pretty simplistic. It might lend well to competitive multiplayer but it's not my thing.

I find it difficult to get fired up about Rage when they say, "Okay, we added some story and now there's vehicle racing!"

Maybe if I was going to be playing it on a PC and see it in all of it's graphical splendor I'd be more stoked, but I'm not...and I'm not.


Gravijah said:
i find that the actual gameplay is the best part of the doom series. the simplicity and act of shooting something is great.


Cool. Then YOU will enjoy it, as will others in this thread it seems. I think id is a one trick pony. Make a stunning engine and add some FPS mechanics. Release.
 
Hmmm i have a feeling Giant Bomb and Edge aren't gonna like it, but we'll have to see.

Was gonna buy it to support id, for old school's sake. But now I'm not so sure...
 

dwu8991

Banned
sk3tch said:
The reviews are bad news, to me. $60 is a lot of money to invest in a game that you cannot sell or trade (Steamworks). Now I kind of wished that I had kept my RAGE 360 NewEgg pre-order ($43)...since I could sell or trade that if the game wasn't to my liking.

I think I am going to take a "wait and see" approach and look for price drops/used copies. I'll go through the pain of returning my Amazon copy when it arrives tomorrow.

Well, it looks like yo going to enjoy a B+ game and not a AAA game. I guess you should just accept that it's not going to be among the top 5 fps this year, so you should enjoy it for what it's worth.
 

LuchaShaq

Banned
When it comes to shooters me and Arthur Geis always seem to have the same opinion on things. Glad I didn't buy into the hype. Maybe I'll gamefly it.
 

big_z

Member
ironcreed said:
So, we hear from one review that it took 9 hours with all the side quests, etc. Yet, the Gamespot review said it was packed with content and features a main story that could last up to 20 hours. Somebody is full of shit, lol. Guess I'll find out soon enough.

maybe some reviewers arent playing it to completion and estimating how much game time there is. in the joystick review arthur mentions the game kinda ends before you expect so i wouldnt be suprised if this was the case.
 

denomes

Member
Reviews are personal opinions. Pick a review from a critic you're familiar with and whose tastes you trust and you'll gain some genuine insight that is applicable to you.

I looked at the scores and thought, "Who did the 1UP review? Oh, Ray Barnholt, I can get down with that." "What's this 6 over on Joystiq? Nevermind, it's Arthur Gies." Not to diss the guy, his opinion is just as valid as the next guy, but our opinions on games have just never lined up. How often does the length of the game come up in that review?

Also, the Joystiq review is 3 stars out of 5, not a 6. I'm not defending the game, I haven't played it. Will I pick it up? Probably, but for my own reasons, not because of an aggregate, a general consensus, a 6 or a 10.

Scores and their effect on people, how sad.
 

sk3tch

Member
SalsaShark said:
Man idk what you guys are smoking, i mean i respect whoever it is you go to when you want to read a review, but all im seeing in this OP are 3 sixes and every other score being 7, 8, 9 and above.

It's cost, bro. $60? That's a huge risk on a game that has some serious flaws (for my liking).


shintoki said:
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Even the more positive reviews seem to say that its just another fun game. Good mechanics and ID's fantastic engine, but it lacks ambition and spark. Something to really make it feel memorable. To many of us, it is the 10$ steam sale a year later. Definitely not worth the 60$ asking price, but something we wouldn't mind picking up and enjoy playing through once, while fading off into obscurity shortly after.

So you're essentially agreeing with my write-off of the game (that SalsaShark quoted). It's all because of cost. If this was $29.99 right now on Steam - I would buy it. I can handle a 6 for that money especially with id's legacy and the gunplay. But right now, all I said was "wait and see" - I'm returning my Amazon copy because it cost me $54.99.


dwu8991 said:
Well, it looks like yo going to enjoy a B+ game and not a AAA game. I guess you should just accept that it's not going to be among the top 5 fps this year, so you should enjoy it for what it's worth.

My point exactly. Not worth $55 (or $60) risk to me. I want to play it. But I have to budget my gaming, unfortunately...not necessarily due to money, either - it's also time.
 

cackhyena

Member
perryfarrell said:
Hmmm i have a feeling Giant Bomb and Edge aren't gonna like it, but we'll have to see.

Was gonna buy it to support id, for old school's sake. But now I'm not so sure...
I don't know why this bothers me but it does.
 
SalsaShark said:
Man idk what you guys are smoking, i mean i respect whoever it is you go to when you want to read a review, but all im seeing in this OP are 3 sixes and every other score being 7, 8, 9 and above.

That's what I'm thinking. There are 11 positive reviews in the OP
 

Salsa

Member
sk3tch said:
It's cost, bro. $60? That's a huge risk on a game that has some serious flaws (for my liking).




So you're essentially agreeing with my write-off of the game (that SalsaShark quoted). It's all because of cost. If this was $29.99 right now on Steam - I would buy it. I can handle a 6 for that money especially with id's legacy and the gunplay. But right now, all I said was "wait and see" - I'm returning my Amazon copy because it cost me $54.99.




My point exactly. Not worth $55 (or $60) to me. I want to play it. But I have to budget my gaming, unfortunately...not necessarily due to money, either - it's also time.


You guys should get someone from Europe to hook you up or something, find cheaper alternatives. I already know Bethesda prices games at $60 and i aint paying that even for the best game ever.
 

Zeliard

Member
Duckhuntdog said:
Although I am not the person you are replying to, I have played all of id's efforts and I do not think it is unfair to say that the technology behind their games are great and for the most part their multiplayer, although much of that can be laid at the feet of the mod community that created so many great maps, but when you cast the light on single player game play, this is clearly id's weak spot.

It's more a lack of experience. id's bread and butter particularly post-Doom has been multiplayer, with the games featuring single-player almost as a formality. Quake 2 suffered some with putting more emphasis on single-player while still largely being a multiplayer game, so Quake 3 removed any pretense of SP by going with bot play. With Doom 3 and now Rage, they've switched strategies and focused on the single-player as opposed to multi.

As far as the community, I have to disagree on your point, especially when it comes to deathmatch. The best duel maps from Quake 1 for example are id's: dm6, dm4, dm2, etc, and the enormously popular team map dm3. Community's major contribution to Quake and really to gaming as a whole was introducing Team Fortress and Capture the Flag, but of course, those mods wouldn't have played nearly as well without those Quake mechanics bolstering them. Quake 3's Promode is another notable mod but was essentially an attempt to make vanilla Q3 play more like Quakeworld. I absolutely think the vast majority of credit for the Quake series' multiplayer success should go to id.

It's fair to criticize id's single-player content, even though they haven't attempted much yet in that regard. Rage is basically their sophomore effort. I enjoyed Doom 3 but I recognize some have issues with it. Personally, when I think of id, I think "powerhouse multiplayer gaming dev," and I can't wait until they veer back towards that area. Having said that, Doom 4 looks to be largely single-player and I think id's efforts will have culminated in a terrific SP offering when that finally rolls around.
 

Amagon

Member
Game looks solid but I'll wait for the Steam Holiday Sales before I hop on this. Too many games on my plate right now. But then again, Carmack = God.
 

Salsa

Member
Cipherr said:

seems like we are nailing down the issue to ATI cards. Few people on the OT saying they have 0 issues and posting screenshots. Weird as shit.


Vire said:
Between the PC impressions and the less than impressive review scores - I think I will be passing for now unfortunately.

EGM: 9.5
IGN: 8.5
GameReactor: 8


Post Embargo Reviews:

Teamxbox.com: 9.5
GameTrailers: 9
CVG: 8.9
Eurogamer: 8
GameSpot: 8
G4TV: 8

1UP: B
The Telegraph: 7
Strategy Informer: 6.5
Joystiq: 6
Co-Optimus: 6
Ars Technica: Verdict: Skip
 
SalsaShark said:
seems like we are nailing down the issue to ATI cards. Few people on the OT saying they have 0 issues and posting screenshots. Weird as shit.
I've got an Nvidia card and im still having those issues.
 

Vire

Member
SalsaShark said:
seems like we are nailing down the issue to ATI cards. Few people on the OT saying they have 0 issues and posting screenshots. Weird as shit.
Notice how you highlighted the exclusive reviews and left out the 6's....

If it was one low score that one be fine, but it's not just one outlet. When $60 is a lot to ask - I'll spend it on something that I know for sure is a sound investment with great scores across the board. An 8 to me isn't impressive either, especially since this upcoming fall will have games with nothing but 9's. Why should I get Rage over Batman AC/Skyrim/Uncharted 3 when I know they will score much higher.
 

Cipherr

Member
soulassssns said:
If this person calls himself a PC gamer then he should do what we all do....troubleshoot! Install new drivers and such. Its not always the game but usually the hardware in the persons PC.


You dont think we are doing that? Feel free to come over to the thread and teach PC gamers how to make sure they have up to date drivers, install the game on SSD's to make sure its not a drive speed bottleneck and explain to us the magical effects of vertical sync and the like.








cmon now...
 

Salsa

Member
Vire said:
Notice how you highlighted the exclusive reviews and left out the 6's....

exactly, the four sixes, in comparissing to the other 11 very positive reviews, and there's even more outside this thread.

All im saying is that there's some weird selective attention going on here. I get if you dont wanna pay 60 bucks for the game though, cause id never pay that for anything


Vire said:
Why should I get Rage over Batman AC/Skyrim/Uncharted 3 when I know they will score much higher.

no you dont
 
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