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[Kerensky]

So...PIA or NordVPN?

I'll tell you once you tell us what you use the connection for

 

[MidgarBlowedUp]

Guess it's time for me to order the innernette.

https://youtu.be/GIA17H-b7Qs

 

[manakel]

Just a blank white page for me.

Same. What is it?

 

[Hubbl3]

I guarantee the very moment some group buys and publishes the Internet history of these republican Congressmen, they'll write a bill changing the law.

Nah, they'll just create some "Blue Lives Matter"-esque amendment that makes it a crime to purchase, share or search a Congressman's private data.

 

[mechashiva]

Could someone challenge this using something like HIPA regulations? Like if I go to webmd that should be confidential bit of browsing.

 

[sturmdogg]

I'll tell you once you tell us what you use the connection for

For...stuff?

 

[manakel]

Could someone challenge this using something like HIPA regulations? Like if I go to webmd that should be confidential bit of browsing.

Or even FERPA. What if I'm accessing my grades/transcripts online? Or typing up reports of students I work with on the online service we use?

 

[Sobriquet]

The 265 members of Congress who sold you out to ISPs, and how much it cost to buy them

 

[BrutishMrFish]

The 265 members of Congress who sold you out to ISPs, and how much it cost to buy them

Crtl + F Democrat

Looks like that title could be a bit more specific.

Also, Clay Higgins is cheap as fuck.

 

[InfiniteBento]

Using a VPN now seems like a terrible idea considering it would make you look sketchy as fuck

 

[Pandora012]

The 265 members of Congress who sold you out to ISPs, and how much it cost to buy them

Looks like it pays more to be a Senator. I really hope someone decides to publish the search history of all the people that voted for this.

 

[shandy706]

I expect to get paid for my contribution.

I'm the one doing the work you bastards. You can't sell my crap without me getting a cut.....haha. Class action lawsuit time.

 

[Dierce]

Looks like it pays more to be a Senator. I really hope someone decides to publish the search history of all the people that voted for this.

It is starting to look like all hackers are orange turd and republican supporters.

 

[B33]

The 265 members of Congress who sold you out to ISPs, and how much it cost to buy them

Of course Rubio is on this list.

He's a spineless coward.

 

[Rebel Leader]

Spicer: we'll have further updates


His response to a question asking if the President will sign it

 

[RCSI]

The most troubling aspect is the collection of information and use of encryption on that collection. I expect to see data breaches occurring for those purchasing or storing this information.

 

[Netherscourge]

The 265 members of Congress who sold you out to ISPs, and how much it cost to buy them

So 265 Republicans.

I can't wait to see some of their browsing histories.

Probably a lot of Ashley Madison visits...

 

[ClosingADoor]

So this isn't even anonymous data, like "what sites do people in Washington visit" but you can actually purchase data with the names attached?

 

[studyguy]

Spicer just asked moments ago what the president thought on signing this bill and what the whitehouse rhetoric was on who this benefited beyond corporations.

Spicer didn't even do his word salad answer, just said the WH had a statement out on it, or would put one out. Moved on to the next question.

Basically get fucked.

 

[Pandora012]

So 265 Republicans.

I can't wait to see some of their browsing histories.

Probably a lot of Ashley Madison visits...

Impossible! How can they have the moral high ground, but still cheat on their significant other? Especially, if their base is the religious right.

 

[Rebel Leader]

Impossible! How can they have the moral high ground, but still cheat on their significant other? Especially, if their base is the religious right.

Easily

 

[VincentMatts]

I was worried, but then remembered that i was canadian.

 

[LiquidSword]

So is there any kind of legal argument that could be made that customers should be compensated for these companies making money with their personal data? I feel like if someone could successfully make that argument it would shut down this shit real quick.

 

[Netherscourge]

So is there any kind of legal argument that could be made that customers should be compensated for these companies making money with their personal data? I feel like if someone could successfully make that argument it would shut down this shit real quick.

You give up those rights when you click AGREE to any EULA or sign any contract with a provider.

If you don't want your personal data shared, you'll have to cancel your ISP and stop using the internet altogether.

 

[EdibleKnife]

Impossible! How can they have the moral high ground, but still cheat on their significant other? Especially, if their base is the religious right.

They justify it with "God forgives me". He doesn't forgive others however. Everyone else is a godless, perverted heathen. But they're holy and by working on their relationship with Jesus, one day they'll kick this vice.

 

[Netherscourge]

You know Russia is rubbing their hands together right now thinking about all the Kompromat Blackmail they'll have LEGAL access to now.

Russia will be buying all the top politicians' browsing histories and simply handing them over to Wikileaks to publish. No hacking required.

 

[Hale-XF11]

Our government...our very democracy...is bought and sold by corporations.

We have no real representation.

 

[OraleeWey]

What does this mean for the average Joe? Could this mean that the average Joe could be denied a a job opportunity because his employer bought his web browsing history and didn't like what he saw?

Who does this mostly affect? Am I able to buy anyone's browsing history of any of you guys and vice versa?

 

[VincentMatts]

Our government...our very democracy...is bought and sold by corporations.

We have no real representation.

i would say im surprised, but im really not. Saw this coming 10 miles away.

 

[Aizu_Itsuko]

How?

The same way laws against slavery "hurt job creators and stiffle economic growth".

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

What does this mean for the average Joe? Could this mean that the average Joe could be denied a a job opportunity because his employer bought his web browsing history and didn't like what he saw?

Who does this mostly affect? Am I able to buy anyone's browsing history of any of you guys and vice versa?

I'm really curious about the specifics.

How much is this information going to cost?
Is it tiered? Would Average Joe's data cost as much as Barack Obama's?
Is this information available to anyone who has the cash?

What a fucking mess.

Also, denying somebody a job based on their browser history could be grounds for a lawsuit.

 

[Ri'Orius]

So, uh, how did this get past the Senate? Why didn't we filibuster it? I've seen no mention of reconciliation or cloture... did the Democrats not even try to stop this?

 

[OmegaX06]

Using a VPN now seems like a terrible idea considering it would make you look sketchy as fuck

Yes. Hiding in plain sight is the best way to remain anonymous. Using things like TOR and VPN's only throw red flags.

 

[e_i]

Oh look, some has set up a GoFundMe page to purchase the Internet histories of the politicians who voted for this:

https://www.gofundme.com/searchinternethistory

 

[VincentMatts]

Yes. Hiding in plain sight is the best way to remain anonymous. Using things like TOR and VPN's only throw red flags.

President trump, is that you???

 

[Earthbound64]

So this isn't even anonymous data, like "what sites do people in Washington visit" but you can actually purchase data with the names attached?

Correct.

 

[Spike Spiegel]

Oh look, some has set up a GoFundMe page to purchase the Internet histories of the politicians who voted for this:

https://www.gofundme.com/searchinternethistory

Up next: Congress adds an exception clause to the bill to exempt elected officials, federal employees and lobbyists from having their online privacy violated in such a manner.

For the good of the nation, of course.

 

[inner-G]

Could you make an app that would visit like every website from your IP and make listing them out worthless?

 

[the-pi-guy]

So what has changed for Internet users? In one sense, nothing changed this week, because the requirement to obtain customer consent before sharing or selling data is not scheduled to take effect until at least December 4, 2017. ISPs didn’t have to follow the rules yesterday or the day before, and they won’t ever have to follow them if the rules are eliminated.

https://arstechnica.com/information...n-sell-your-web-history-and-how-to-stop-them/

 

[Ri'Orius]

So, uh, how did this get past the Senate? Why didn't we filibuster it? I've seen no mention of reconciliation or cloture... did the Democrats not even try to stop this?

Found the explanation to this elsewhere: apparently this couldn't be filibustered because it was passed via the Congressional Review Act.

 

[Exis]

Could someone challenge this using something like HIPA regulations? Like if I go to webmd that should be confidential bit of browsing.

You sir, are a genius! I work in tech around HIPA and will gladly sue when my ISP sells information... hell everything I do for work will need to go through VPN now.

 

[DiamondDog74]

Special thanks to Fred Upton for taking $108k for Michigan. Shit head.

 

[Phoenix RISING]

Using a VPN now seems like a terrible idea considering it would make you look sketchy as fuck

I would like more people to weigh in on this. I feel like this is true.

 

[the-pi-guy]

I would like more people to weigh in on this. I feel like this is true.

It doesn't.
This hasn't actually changed anything.
It didn't undo anything, except a previous rule that hasn't even gone into effect.


https://arstechnica.com/information...n-sell-your-web-history-and-how-to-stop-them/

 

[BasicMath]

I disagreed upon entering the thread but agreed once I read the bits of the article posted.

The gentleman from Texas is absolutely right. Why is the government picking winners and losers? Why is it ok to have privacy for the connection but not the OS, software and other digital services? Just make the ISP update their terms of service or overhaul the current system we have.

 

[geomon]

Here’s how much Comcast paid members of Congress to sell your browser history

However, one bit of consolation lies in the transparency of campaign finance records. Thanks to data compiled by the National Institute on Money in State Politics, we can find out exactly how much each member of Congress who voted to kill internet privacy received in campaign contributions from the telecom industry in the most recent election cycle. The donation amounts include industry PACs as well as donations from individual employees of telecom giants.

Highlights: In the Senate, John Thune (R-South Dakota) received the most money from the telecommunications industry, with over $215,000 in donations from industry PACs and employees. Senator John Kennedy (R-Louisiana) sold out for the least, voting to kill internet privacy rules for just $1,000 in donations. It’s also important to note that Sen. Luther Strange (R-Alabama) received $0 in campaign donations, as he was recently appointed by Alabama Governor Robert Bentley to replace Sen. Jeff Sessions after he was appointed Trump’s Attorney General.

In the House, Rep. Greg Walden (R-Oregon) is the favorite of the telecom industry, with over $155,000 in donations in the most recent election cycle. Rep. Clay Higgins (R-Louisiana) sold out to the industry for a paltry $300.

Read the full list of donations below:

Full list of these fucking sellouts is there.

 

[raebodep]

I would like more people to weigh in on this. I feel like this is true.

Didn't Snowden say something about how they keep a list of who visits the TOR website and even people who visit linux websites.

 

[BasicMath]

I would like more people to weigh in on this. I feel like this is true.

Depends really.

If you use Tor or even learn how to use it, you're on a list. End of story.

If you're using a foreign VPN or service, your communications are being saved. They probably won't look at it though unless its someone in Russia thanks to the current Red Scare.

If you use a domestic VPN or service, the government still collects but there's some small hoops they have to go through with secret courts and such.

Didn't Snowden say something about how they keep a list of who visits the TOR website and even people who visit linux websites.

Correct on Tor but it's only a distro or two they keep full tabs on.

The government in general likes to check those who can protect themselves more than those who don't.

Thank Bush/Obama and Trump too soon.


And GAF, please. You're late on the outrage. Save it. Everyone can look your shit up somehow and this has been going on for a while. The only difference is that the ISPs can make money off your shit. Both parties are the same on the issue. There's just cosmetic differences here and there.

 

[Septimus Prime]

Depends really.

If you use Tor or even learn how to use it, you're on a list. End of story.

If you're using a foreign VPN or service, your communications are being saved. They probably won't look at it though unless its someone in Russia thanks to the current Red Scare.

If you use a domestic VPN or service, the government still collects but there's some small hoops they have to go through with secret courts and such.


Correct on Tor but it's only a distro or two they keep full tabs on.

The government in general likes to check those who can protect themselves more than those who don't.

Thank Bush/Obama and Trump too soon.

It's fiction (as far as we know), but in Barry Eisler's The God's Eye View,

Spoiler

the God's Eye program explicitly monitors people who try to hide and just flat out ignores normal activity. The difference between that and what's happening right now in the real world is that the fictional version takes it to a level higher, where, like if your cell phone goes offline, it'll track you.

I can only imagine that if such a program doesn't already exist, it will sometime soon.

 

[Volimar]

Oh look, some has set up a GoFundMe page to purchase the Internet histories of the politicians who voted for this:

https://www.gofundme.com/searchinternethistory

Was just about to post this. Funny. Basically a fund for the ACLU.