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[Zalusithix]

That's what confused me, both the farming and Science/Exploration professions were shown as features in 3.3 and 4.0, and Endeavor is a pretty important ship for both of those. I hope we get some kind of news about it eventually.

You have to remember that the Endeavor is a relatively recent concept ship and a massive one at that with a ton of modules (which are also large). Short of the Idris and Javelin, it's probably the most involved player owned ship they have. Now look how long the Idris took, and that's a ship which was fast-tracked due to its use in SQ42. A huge niche ship like the Endeavor isn't something that'll be churned out quickly. It will be one of the last ships we see.

That's not really a problem either from a game perspective. Aside from farming, there's already other ships out there to cover everything else. For farming they could whip up and finish a smaller dedicated farming ship far easier than getting that modular monster up and running.

 

[Besthelboy]

You have to remember that the Endeavor is a relatively recent concept ship and a massive one at that with a ton of modules (which are also large). Short of the Idris and Javelin, it's probably the most involved player owned ship they have. Now look how long the Idris took, and that's a ship which was fast-tracked due to its use in SQ42. A huge niche ship like the Endeavor isn't something that'll be churned out quickly. It will be one of the last ships we see.

That's not really a problem either from a game perspective. Aside from farming, there's already other ships out there to cover everything else. For farming they could whip up and finish a smaller dedicated farming ship far easier than getting that modular monster up and running.

It's definitely not on their list of priorities, and either way the development and design has to be extremely complicated and I'd rather them take their time and get it right with such an ambitious ship. I'm sure they'll figure out a way to implement farming without it, there's many ways like you said - I'm just a little disappointed it wasn't mentioned at all.

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

Have they talked about melee?

Will you be able to kick or punch or headbutt with a rifle or pistol whip?


There is something wonky that happens in FPS games when you get to close to an enemy. It's really nice when you have something like Titanfall where a front kick to distance an enemy, feels really awesome!

 

[tuxfool]

Have they talked about melee?

Will you be able to kick or punch or headbutt with a rifle or pistol whip?


There is something wonky that happens in FPS games when you get to close to an enemy. It's really nice when you have something like Titanfall where a front kick to distance an enemy, feels really awesome!

that video showed a stealth kill, but there are plans for melee, though in SC because of the 3rd and 1st person rigs are the same, I imagine it will have to be done slightly differently to most games.

 

[Geist-]

Polaris Q&A Part 1 is up.

The big thing I got from it is that they badically confirm that operating cost will be the major balancing mechanic between military ships and civilian ships. Which makes a lot of sense considering RL parallels.

 

[Cabbagehead]

Polaris Q&A Part 1 is up.

The big thing I got from it is that they badically confirm that operating cost will be the major balancing mechanic between military ships and civilian ships. Which makes a lot of sense considering RL parallels.

Good to know and i'm glad they finally made that clear.

 

[apav]

That's what confused me, both the farming and Science/Exploration professions were shown as features in 3.3 and 4.0, and Endeavor is a pretty important ship for both of those. I hope we get some kind of news about it eventually.

Quote from one of the RtVs.

Is it CIG's current plan to have all announced ships flyable at commercial launch?

No? Depends what you mean by commercial launch. You can buy the game right now, so technically it's been launched commercially. Everything from before the Endeavour should be before the end of the Beta.

 

[Besthelboy]

Quote from one of the RtVs.

Yeah, thanks for that. I remember them saying that now, that being said it's still a little vague, we have no idea what they consider a beta or when that'll be. I remember that Chris Roberts in an interview said something to the extent of; when they consider there's enough content in and their various systems have been tested enough the point where they don't need to reset progress they'll tell people that it's now a beta, not an alpha. In general though I'm hoping for news about designs, any reworking or different modules it's getting, if they're changing anything, things like that. I'm not expecting it anytime soon though, they have other priorities. The concept of the ship is very cool and I'm happy to see that they're really starting to get a lot of these ships done after 3.0.

 

[Zabojnik]

I'm glad that CIG are working on cloud technology punface, as per Erin Roberts' words in that post-show GamersNexus interview, because I admit to being a clouds fetishist. Flying above a sea of (volumetric) clouds is a total serenity now moment in every flight sim.

In need more of this in my life / vidyagames.

 

[Besthelboy]

Does anyone know if we'll be able to store any cargo in the rover? I looked a bit online and couldn't find anything.

 

[Dictator93]

Marco Corbetta replied in the graphics thread. Saweeeeet. Gotta think of some questions to ask him

 

[RK9039]

Does anyone know if we'll be able to store any cargo in the rover? I looked a bit online and couldn't find anything.

Only Big Bennys.

 

[Zabojnik]

Marco Corbetta replied in the graphics thread. Saweeeeet. Gotta think of some questions to ask him

In your graphics thread on GAF? Absolutely incredible.

Oh. On SC forums, you mean. Well, less incredible, but still pretty cool.

Link pls.

 

[Raticus79]

Marco Corbetta replied in the graphics thread. Saweeeeet. Gotta think of some questions to ask him

Might as well pass along stuff from the thread here, heh
- performance impact of including ferns and other undergrowth to fill out forests at that scale, or just something they didn't get to yet?
- beach?
- horizontal displacement?

 

[Zabojnik]

Clouds. Everything about cluds. How could you forget clouds, Raticus. Clouds.

 

[Raticus79]

Clouds. Everything about clouds. How could you forget clouds, Raticus. Clouds.

My bad.

"Do this:

but with this:

and let us see it from the surface"

 

[tuxfool]

Clouds. Everything about cluds. How could you forget clouds, Raticus. Clouds.

Clouds are being handled by the UK IIRC.

 

[Maiar_m]

I am so confused. Reddit brought the game to my attention (the sandworm gif is like porn, but no wait that's not what I meant) but...it's not out yet? Is it the multiplayer but playable solo space exploration / story-driven game with flight sim, land and space combat and trade that should push me over into finally buying that laptop I can't justify the need for now? But not yet? Did I get that right?

 

[Zabojnik]

Clouds are being handled by the UK IIRC.

How fitting. If anyone knows clouds, it's UKers. Let them handle rain as well.

Clouds, nebulas ... whatever tech they come up with should be able to handle both, I reckon.

 

[tuxfool]

I am so confused. Reddit brought the game to my attention (the sandworm gif is like porn, but no wait that's not what I meant) but...it's not out yet? Is it the multiplayer but playable solo space exploration / story-driven game with flight sim, land and space combat and trade that should push me over into finally buying that laptop I can't justify the need for now? But not yet? Did I get that right?

If you have to buy hardware you cannot justify just yet, don't get it. Wait a bit longer.

 

[chifanpoe]

Polaris Q&A Part 1 is up.

The big thing I got from it is that they badically confirm that operating cost will be the major balancing mechanic between military ships and civilian ships. Which makes a lot of sense considering RL parallels.

Also nice of them to clear up what will fit in it (Storage/Ship). Think of having a rotation of Terrapin, Herald, or SH depending on the mission/job.

 

[Cabbagehead]

Marco Corbetta replied in the graphics thread. Saweeeeet. Gotta think of some questions to ask him

No link?

 

[Mr.Sword]

System specs of the Planets 2.0 demo machine (running at 1080p):
- Asus X99-A
- i7 5820k @ 3.3Ghz (stock)
- 1080 GTX
- 64gb DDR4

That's an insane amount of ram, will we need something similiar to visit proc planets in 3.0? Or will we have V1 planets in 3.0?

 

[Cabbagehead]

That's an insane amount of ram, will we need something similiar to visit proc planets in 3.0? Or will we have V1 planets in 3.0?

That was just for the demo itself. That extra padding for other things running doing the event. I mean just like all developer rigs they are usually high spec.

 

[Shy]

CIG doesn't really give a shit about this forum (us) does it. ? 😭

I know they care about their forums (obviously) and Reddit. But i never seen any mention of us. 😞

Marco Corbetta replied in the graphics thread. Saweeeeet. Gotta think of some questions to ask him

Noice.

 

[Danthrax]

CIG doesn't really give a shit about this forum (us) does it. ? 😭

I know they care about their forums (obviously) and Reddit. But i never seen any mention of us. 😞

Probably because GAF is small potatoes in the greater Star Citizen discussion. This thread has been up on GAF all year and it still only has fewer than 6,700 posts — an average of about 22 per day, less than one per hour. The number of people who have posted at least once per month (at least 10 or more times) in this thread is just 87, and 72 of them have posted fewer than 100 times. The community that cares about Star Citizen on GAF is relatively small and untalkative.

 

[mercenar1e]

i received a response from CIG concerning my refund request and thankfully its looking good.

 

[Shy]

Probably because GAF is small potatoes in the greater Star Citizen discussion. This thread has been up on GAF all year and it still only has fewer than 6,700 posts — an average of about 22 per day, less than one per hour. The number of people who have posted at least once per month (at least 10 or more times) in this thread is just 87, and 72 of them have posted fewer than 100 times. The community that cares about Star Citizen on GAF is relatively small and untalkative.

 

[Zalusithix]

That's an insane amount of ram, will we need something similiar to visit proc planets in 3.0? Or will we have V1 planets in 3.0?

By the time SC hits, that'll be your average min-spec PC.

 

[Besthelboy]

That's an insane amount of ram, will we need something similiar to visit proc planets in 3.0? Or will we have V1 planets in 3.0?

No, all planets will be 2.0. Gamernexus who exclusively got the information explains;

The memory capacity is because this thing is a dev box. Don't read too far into that. Development tools eat memory far-and-away beyond what a consumer software package should.

More information about the specs and the optimization going into Star Citizen in the article.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/news/2637-system-specs-for-demo-pcs-at-citizencon-2016

As for CIG and NeoGaf, it's a bit jarring to post about Star Citizen here or anything about it outside this thread due to the reaction and response the game gets.

 

[cyress8]

System specs of the Planets 2.0 demo machine (running at 1080p):
- Asus X99-A
- i7 5820k @ 3.3Ghz (stock)
- 1080 GTX
- 64gb DDR4

Just need to grab some more ram and I'm all set.

 

[Raticus79]

Probably because GAF is small potatoes in the greater Star Citizen discussion. This thread has been up on GAF all year and it still only has fewer than 6,700 posts — an average of about 22 per day, less than one per hour. The number of people who have posted at least once per month (at least 10 or more times) in this thread is just 87, and 72 of them have posted fewer than 100 times. The community that cares about Star Citizen on GAF is relatively small and untalkative.

This calls for a wall of shame!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=1155452
... hmph, I've been slacking.

 

[Besthelboy]

Hopefully the new RtV/AtV gives us some interesting things to talk about today and tomorrow.

 

[Zalusithix]

This calls for a wall of shame!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=1155452
... hmph, I've been slacking.

Everybody is slacking... 10% of the thread is me alone!

 

[Shy]

Everybody is slacking... 10% of the thread is me alone!

Sorry sir.

I do feel bad i don't contribute to this thread more.

EDIT: This post may come across as me being sarcastic. But i'm being sincere.

 

[tuxfool]

Here is the RTV of all the big bosses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qyymbmis7xA&feature=youtu.be

1:21:04 !!!

 

[staticneuron]

Everybody is slacking... 10% of the thread is me alone!

I hang my head in shame. I am sorry Zal!

 

[Raticus79]

Here is the RTV of all the big bosses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qyymbmis7xA&feature=youtu.be

1:21:04 !!!

Transcript will be here, eventually...
http://imperialnews.network/2016/10/reverse-the-verse-special-e/

 

[Geist-]

This calls for a wall of shame!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=1155452
... hmph, I've been slacking.

Oh shit, I'm in the top 5 lol.

 

[Outrun]

i received a response from CIG concerning my refund request and thankfully its looking good.

Awesome news, I hope that I get mine also.

But good luck for all those staying. I will purchase SQ42 when it is done and if it is good.

 

[TheVoidDragon]

Awesome news, I hope that I get mine also.

But good luck for all those staying. I will purchase SQ42 when it is done and if it is good.

I'm not directing this at anyone in particular but i really don't understand why you'd ask for a refund for a crowdfunded project that has clear evidence it's still in development. If it turned out to be a scam or something like that it seems fine to try to get your money back if you can, but if it's for a reason of just not being happy with the development when you accepted the risks at the start that doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

 

[Cabbagehead]

I'm not directing this at anyone in particular but i really don't understand why you'd ask for a refund for a crowdfunded project that has clear evidence it's still in development. If it turned out to be a scam or something like that it seems fine to try to get your money back if you can, but if it's for a reason of just not being happy with the development when you accepted the risks at the start that doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Just more folks that should have never backed in the first place and should have waited. Good for them.

I for one knew exactly. What i was getting into, even though CIG told me and others straight up, that there will be issues and bumps in the road. I still get a little bit uneasy. But then i remind myself that a video game like this can't be done in some arbitrary amount of time. Especially when i will have access to it as they make it, others may be left in the dark. Not me though given my status.

Plus the only reason some folks are asking for a refund now is because of SQ42 and ultimately missing said dates.

Yet if others games do it? they understand that reason to push it back or say "good, more time to make it better" but in this case? it's a different response for some reason. It's like people have selective memories and don't remember the amount of half-finished, broken or rushed video games we've gotten and continue to complain about. Then you got games like Last Guardian or Final Fantasy these were pushed back a lot of times, sometimes even reworked and of course you have some parties still worried but overall folks are looking forward to these products despite that. Do you think most will care about any of that crap if these games are good? nope not one bit.


Welcome to game development it's a wild beast.

 

[apav]

I'm not directing this at anyone in particular but i really don't understand why you'd ask for a refund for a crowdfunded project that has clear evidence it's still in development. If it turned out to be a scam or something like that it seems fine to try to get your money back if you can, but if it's for a reason of just not being happy with the development when you accepted the risks at the start that doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

If they're able to get a refund just let them go. CIG is kind enough to offer refunds because they don't want to deal with any more trouble, even though they don't have to do that. Though I agree with you, it's still way to early to know if this game if this game will succeed or fail. And they should've understood the risks associated with pledging money to a crowdfunded game in development, since it's more like a donation rather than a pre-order. But hey, I guess it makes no difference to these people if they just bought a starter package. They can rebuy it if they want to when the game launches and they really haven't lost much.

 

[apav]

Just more folks that should have never backed in the first place and should have waited. Good for them.

I for one knew exactly. What i was getting into, even though CIG told me and others straight up, that there will be issues and bumps in the road. I still get a little bit uneasy. But then i remind myself that a video game like this can't be done in some arbitrary amount of time. Especially when i will have access to it as they make it, others may be left in the dark. No me though.

Plus the only reason some folks are asking for a refund now is because of SQ42 and ulimately missing said dates.

Yet if others games do it? they understand that reason to push it back or say "good, more time to make it better" but in this case? it's a different response for some reason. It's like people have selective memories and don't remember the amount of half-finished, broken or rushed video games we've gotten and continue to complain about. Like Last Guardian or Final Fantasy was and has been pushed back a lot of times and some are/were worried but overall folks are looking forward to it those things. Do you think most will care about that crap if the games are good? nope not one bit.

Yea, I really don't understand the double standards with some gamers. You don't see the masses cancelling pre-orders when another big game is delayed a few months or even a year. And with most other games you have even less knowledge of their development to go by.

 

[mercenar1e]

I'm not directing this at anyone in particular but i really don't understand why you'd ask for a refund for a crowdfunded project that has clear evidence it's still in development. If it turned out to be a scam or something like that it seems fine to try to get your money back if you can, but if it's for a reason of just not being happy with the development when you accepted the risks at the start that doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

if this citizencon event proved anything it is that the game is still at the very beginning stages of development. i haven't seen game play of the mining,trading,bounty hunting systems, how many landing zones and systems have they created so far? nothing new with Squadron 42 either. this is at the very least a feature complete game in 2019-2020 and with a few hundred backed im not willing to ride it out any longer than i already have.

i have backed so many early access and kickstarter games but the 2 projects that i would consider stuck in development hell are DayZ and SC easily.

 

[Cabbagehead]

Yea, I really don't understand the double standards with some gamers. You don't see the masses cancelling pre-orders when another big game is delayed a few months or even a year. And with most other games you have even less knowledge of their development to go by.

These would be the same people/gamers that would complain. If these projects or other games happened to release on "time' only for them to whine about, how shit it is and half finished or why it's un-optimized or doesn't scale to 60 fps or higher.

While i'll be in the back going "No shit sherlock", they rushed it out so you can play it and so they can cash in on your hype, and cut features to do it. NMS is the prime example of that along with others.

 

[ultrazilla]

So I installed the tech demo again and I can't play it at anything higher than "low" settings @1080p on my Asus Super clocked 970.

With the stuff they've shown off, you'll probably need a minimum of 2 1080s in SLI to get decent performance.

Should have never bought in and no, I'm not going through the process of asking for a refund. I'll use this as a learning lesson.

 

[Cabbagehead]

So I installed the tech demo again and I can't play it at anything higher than "low" settings @1080p on my Asus Super clocked 970.

With the stuff they've shown off, you'll probably need a minimum of 2 1080s in SLI to get decent performance.

Should have never bought in and no, I'm not going through the process of asking for a refund. I'll use this as a learning lesson.

uh? what tech demo and how did you play it? The only things you can play currently right now is AC and the mini PU, which has performance/network level of detail loading issues that CIG know about and are working to fix and have a solution in place to improve that with 3.0.

This game is in alpha, it's a game in progress. Of course, you're not going to get sick fps. Don't buy into something you didn't do enough research on. Buyers remorse is the buyers mistake.

Also what they showed off was in a developer rig. Usually a high end one but it wasn't crazy specs and it was not 2 1080's sli. lol

 

[staticneuron]

if this citizencon event proved anything it is that the game is still at the very beginning stages of development. i haven't seen game play of the mining,trading,bounty hunting systems, how many landing zones and systems have they created so far? nothing new with Squadron 42 either. this is at the very least a feature complete game in 2019-2020 and with a few hundred backed im not willing to ride it out any longer than i already have.

Like they stated before and as it should be logically, they are focused more on military features. They are not going to show S42 unless it is polished (people already rip them to shreds over the alpha). And everything has been roadmapped and shown with modularity. Everything you mentioned actually has a version number associated with it starting with 3.0. Which is scheduled before end of year is out. And quite literally all the features you mentioned are to be apart of universe in 3.1. So with the exception of mining those features are supposed to be in 3.0 which is to be released in months not years. And to you a game that has both a single player element and an MMO element of this scale is stuck in dev hell after 4 years? It is all about expectation.

Yes. Really people should know what they are investing in before they invest and then use very flimsy assertions for disbelief.

This game is in alpha, it's a game in progress. Of course, you're not going to get sick fps. Don't buy into something you didn't do enough research on. Buyers remorse is the buyers mistake.

Also what they showed off was in a developer rig. Usually a high end one but it wasn't crazy specs and it was not 2 1080's sli. lol

It feels like deja vu often in this thread, the amount of stuff that is repeated. But I agree. You either are all in on a purchase or you are not. I invest in games via crowdsourcing very rarely. I use only one expectation as a rule of thumb. Not time or size of team, because assumptions don't help anyone. I just hope the project gets finished in a high enough quality that I find acceptable. From what I see. The new tech and refactoring of existing tech, shows that CiG is not sitting on their thumbs. The playable Alpha helps greatly as well. So I am patient because I fund for development of the game not for final product, I wouldn't have pledged in the first place if I didn't care about development. And also the content you get with the pledges don't go anywhere. I am not put out by amount spent. So I will let it be.

 

[Danthrax]

Day 1,430 and I still am not requesting a refund for the $245 I pledged for products that have not yet been fulfilled.

The game is clearly being made, I've been here every step of the way and I'll be here for the steps that follow until a box is shipped to me containing a fold-up glossy starmap, a hardcover manual, a soundtrack CD and a spaceship-shaped USB (containing the entire game — gonna have to be a gigantic USB, LoL).