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Flutta
Banned
Tbh i had a bad feeling when they chose him as the HEAD OF PLAYSTATION STUDIOS. Always tweeting those fake "I'm excited" type tweets, never appears on any of the shows they make, always hiding his weird smirky looking face. He's probably one of those soft mofos who can't say no to people.
Yeah i agree, i hope they sack his weird ass, dude ain't a good fit to lead multiple studios.
Loxus
Member
I still don't get all this hate for gaas games.
People have their own preferences I guess. Sometimes I don't even think you all like playing games altogether.
I enjoy many multi-player/live service games more than single player. The joy of creating your own character and playing with friends is what I enjoy about gaming.
My PS3 version of GTAV is probably 2000h+ playing online after getting all single player trophies.
My time player Clash of Clans is probably measured in years and didn't spend a cent.
- If they made TLOU2 multi-player open world like Rockstar does with infected roaming the map.
- Single and co-op missions
- Vs multi-player maps
- battle royal with infected as the circle
- animations and controls from story mode.
- character and possibly a mini campsite customizations
I for one, hope this game isn't cancelled.
I enjoy playing both Uncharted 3&4 and TLOU multi-player.
People have their own preferences I guess. Sometimes I don't even think you all like playing games altogether.
I enjoy many multi-player/live service games more than single player. The joy of creating your own character and playing with friends is what I enjoy about gaming.
My PS3 version of GTAV is probably 2000h+ playing online after getting all single player trophies.
My time player Clash of Clans is probably measured in years and didn't spend a cent.
- If they made TLOU2 multi-player open world like Rockstar does with infected roaming the map.
- Single and co-op missions
- Vs multi-player maps
- battle royal with infected as the circle
- animations and controls from story mode.
- character and possibly a mini campsite customizations
I for one, hope this game isn't cancelled.
I enjoy playing both Uncharted 3&4 and TLOU multi-player.
Elder Legend
Banned
Jimbo knew that project was going to go in flames so he decided to take off and make the last fart at all the naughty Dog fans. What a way to leave a mark.
mortal
Gold Member
If true, maybe it's best we never had an official look, thinking of what could have been.
Sucks to pour literally years of your life into something only for it to crash and burn. Hopefully, it wasn't a complete loss and the best ideas find their second life in another future project.
Sucks to pour literally years of your life into something only for it to crash and burn. Hopefully, it wasn't a complete loss and the best ideas find their second life in another future project.
Alex Scott
Member
The problem is NaughtyDog doesn't have enough staff the to do live service games and work on multiple projects.I still don't get all this hate for gaas games.
People have their own preferences I guess. Sometimes I don't even think you all like playing games altogether.
I enjoy many multi-player/live service games more than single player. The joy of creating your own character and playing with friends is what I enjoy about gaming.
My PS3 version of GTAV is probably 2000h+ playing online after getting all single player trophies.
My time player Clash of Clans is probably measured in years and didn't spend a cent.
- If they made TLOU2 multi-player open world like Rockstar does with infected roaming the map.
- Single and co-op missions
- Vs multi-player maps
- battle royal with infected as the circle
- animations and controls from story mode.
- character and possibly a mini campsite customizations
I for one, hope this game isn't cancelled.
I enjoy playing both Uncharted 3&4 and TLOU multi-player.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Good.
Waste of time. Move on.
Waste of time. Move on.
ByWatterson
Member
BAD: It's canceled.
GOOD: Sony continues its "cancel it instead of releasing a shit product" streak.
GOOD: Sony continues its "cancel it instead of releasing a shit product" streak.
Aenima
Member
TLOU MP was probably the most promissing of all the anounced GAAS they have. Maybe they went too ambitious as they was adding story and stuff to the game. Guess they should have kept it simple, just and improved version of the TLOU multiplayer would have worked.
Lets see if its really dead or not.
Lets see if its really dead or not.
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xBlueStonex
Member
I remembering reading articles about Naughty Dog losing 70% of their non-lead devs towards the end of production on TLOU2. We're now starting to see the aftereffects of that.
Edit: “One major consequence of this culture has been attrition. Of the 20 non-lead designers in the credits of 2016’s Uncharted 4, a whopping 14—70 percent—are no longer at the studio, which has had wide-ranging effects on the development of The Last of Us II and led to questions about the continued viability of the Naughty Dog approach.”
kotaku.com
Edit: “One major consequence of this culture has been attrition. Of the 20 non-lead designers in the credits of 2016’s Uncharted 4, a whopping 14—70 percent—are no longer at the studio, which has had wide-ranging effects on the development of The Last of Us II and led to questions about the continued viability of the Naughty Dog approach.”
As Naughty Dog Crunches On The Last Of Us II, Developers Wonder How Much Longer This Approach Can Last
Some developers at Naughty Dog continue to ask themselves a question that has haunted the studio for years: Is it worth it?
kotaku.com
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
You do realize this "new" thread is based entirely off a single tweet by some Twitter rando, right?
LOL
Not to say that the project isn't dead, because it very well might be. Just that it seems to be placing a huge amount of stock in what amounts to very little whatsoever. Its not "news".
LOL
Not to say that the project isn't dead, because it very well might be. Just that it seems to be placing a huge amount of stock in what amounts to very little whatsoever. Its not "news".
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Every successful GAAS studio started their foray in the industry by making single player games.
See: Bungie, Epic, Respawn, Blizzard...
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Balducci30
Member
Well that was a total waste of time
balls of snow
Member
To then refined with mp. And even then it was small potatoes in the beginning (halo 2 mp, gears mp, unreal tournament) compared to what happens now (Destiny, Fortnite).
Besides ND already had that mp transition with Uncharted 2. The leap to an ongoing service churning out revenue month in and out means that they probably need to stop making sp games alltogether.
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[Sigma]
Member
On the surface just going off the rumors, this is an absolute shit show and the timeline for projects has been seemingly been set back for a while. They came into this generation doing a remake no one fucking asked for. Not only did they work on the PS5 version, but then they worked on the PC version as well. All while this mp which has been in development for years gets seemingly canned in part because Bungie didn't think it would last long. So now you have nothing and theirs no telling when we will even see the first trailer for a new game.
EDIT: I didn't even account for the thought that they may be working on a The Last of Us 2 PS5/PC port. This shit will make you want to blow a gasket just thinking about it.
EDIT: I didn't even account for the thought that they may be working on a The Last of Us 2 PS5/PC port. This shit will make you want to blow a gasket just thinking about it.
Pharaoh 117
Member
At this point they should salvage the project by making a simple Factions 2.0 mode (which was the thing people wanted from the beginning) and include it on TLoUPII Director's Cut.
Aenima
Member
70% of 20 non lead designers. Not 70% of the devs. NaughtyDog has now much more devs than it had when making TLOU2. They have been working in multiple projects. TLOU Part1, Port of same game for PC, TLOU Online, and Neil Druckmann new game. With rummors of other projects being worked on the side.I remembering reading articles about Naughty Dog losing 70% of their non-lead devs towards the end of production on TLOU2. We're now starting to see the aftereffects of that.
Edit: “One major consequence of this culture has been attrition. Of the 20 non-lead designers in the credits of 2016’s Uncharted 4, a whopping 14—70 percent—are no longer at the studio, which has had wide-ranging effects on the development of The Last of Us II and led to questions about the continued viability of the Naughty Dog approach.”
As Naughty Dog Crunches On The Last Of Us II, Developers Wonder How Much Longer This Approach Can Last
Some developers at Naughty Dog continue to ask themselves a question that has haunted the studio for years: Is it worth it?
Pasta la Vista
Member
Wasted potential on this.
PuppetMaster
Member
I bet it's gonna be part of TLOU3 now. Not a stand alone thing.
diffusionx
Gold Member
If anything, the last few years have proven the warnings in that article right. Sure ND can hire someone and they are now a "naughty dog designer" but what are they bringing to the table? TLOU P1 was pedestrian, the PC port was a mess, TLOU Online is apparently dead, so that leaves one project run by a guy who is increasingly showing himself to be an egomaniac and narcissist.
TLOU2 came out at the same time as Ghost of Tsushima - see how the devs there seemingly effortlessly integrated and built up a very solid online mode for their game, and compare it to how Factions was all hype and bluster and is now dead. Surely the fact that the people involved in making games like U4 and TLOU2 hit the road ASAP had something to do with it, and the people they brought in to make up for it are not as good. This is how studios die, that simple.
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FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Jigsaah
Gold Member
Is it true Bungie told Naughty Dog that Factions wasn't good enough?
If true, that strikes me as odd. Destiny 2 has had it's share of fumbles for sure, so what exactly are they advising on?
I hope to God it's not something like "you're not gonna make enough money from MTX with this kinda game". That would be a terrible omen.
If true, that strikes me as odd. Destiny 2 has had it's share of fumbles for sure, so what exactly are they advising on?
I hope to God it's not something like "you're not gonna make enough money from MTX with this kinda game". That would be a terrible omen.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
The report said the game didn't have legs...which is a necessity for modern multiplayer.
fart town usa
Gold Member
Clearly there was a severe lack of Latin X and Bungie wasn't having it.
What a waste of time, money, resources, etc.
What a waste of time, money, resources, etc.
Dirk Benedict
Member
Eh.. I never played for MP, anyway. Lol. I mean, I can understand the people who are disappointed, it's just I am not one of them.
Pyramid Song
Member
Sad. Factions is one of the few Mp games I enjoy. It's really fun.
I hope ND can save this.
I hope ND can save this.
Moriarty1889
Member
Good riddance! Jimbo being pushed out and this happening arent a coincidence. Sony is cleaning up the GAAS shitshow and now will hopefully focus once again on what they do best….SP offline games.
Puscifer
Member
Feature creep. I said it many times over the months the tweet "it grew larger than we expected" was the sign this shit was never going to happen.
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
The Last of Us, Part II remains the best incomplete game ever. Right beside The Phantom Pain. Parts of this post are serious. I'll let you decide, dear reader.
Lupin25
Member
They should just drop whatever they have as a DLC for TLOU II. What a waste if it never releases.
At least ND can have all hands available for their next project. A Director’s Cut is probably coming to pair with the HBO show, then hopefully 2025 we can see something new from them.
At least ND can have all hands available for their next project. A Director’s Cut is probably coming to pair with the HBO show, then hopefully 2025 we can see something new from them.
El Pistolero
Banned
Cut your losses, lick your wounds, and whatever game you already have, tweak it a bit and keep it as an add-on to Part III, or burry it; and concentrate on what you do best, single player games...Get bigger and try to handle two projects at once. Let Sony set up, or buy other multiplayer focused studios to contribute to their GaaS efforts...
It was a waste of time and efforts, apparently, but it could be a blessing in disguise...
It was a waste of time and efforts, apparently, but it could be a blessing in disguise...
Majormaxxx
Member
Just go do zoomer Uncharted with Cassie. She is now 19 years old. In universe she is now in college and can go steal relics and kill people during summer break. Or, she can go do mini heists in Cancun during spring break.
Perfect opportunity to go for the zoomer audience.
Perfect opportunity to go for the zoomer audience.
ComputerBlue
Member
I’m still pissed that tlou remake didn’t include factions. They shoulda just ran with that, gaas can fuck off already.
ProtoByte
Member
Respectfully, I think that's a little bit of confirmation bias.
We'd already heard about staff for the game being reduced and production going back to the drawing board months back. All this was pretty easy to see coming.
The real disaster would've been to have gone forward with the game, show it off and give a possibly disappointing first visual to the first game of the "Sony's abandoned single player!!" narrative, have it come out and not perform how it needs to, actually tarnishing ND's reputation with a tangible product.
Good management is not "always making the right choices out the gate and never hitting major bumps in the road". It's making a reasonable venture, and backing off if it's clear it's not going to work out.
Varteras
Gold Member
Hard to keep track of all these insiders these days.
You know! That guy! Who said that one thing, one time. I mean, EVERYONE knows who he is. Pfft. You don't? Anyways. SUPER reliable. I heard.
MarkMe2525
Member
They gonna swerve us and drop it in a few days