Terrabyte20xx
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Danganronpa Mafia |OT| Grin and Bear It
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LaunchpadMcQ
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I won't modkill or replace you if you're here. In the future though, it would be best to let us know you're going to be away for a few days if you can. Sorry I have to be the bad guy, but I have to uphold the rules :c
But I already said, if I hadn't run into Despair, they don't know that information. That if was a big enough if for me to stay quiet.
I'm pushing the point so that we're careful when asking any other rule breakers the same questions. Yes, they (or we I suppose) can lie with our answers, but at the end of the day, any answer will be revealing to some people and it might not be the right people.
Zippedpinhead
Member
And that explained why AB saw Pau, but it didn't explain how you saw her (at least in my mind). It's solved now.
Everyone seeing everything just seems so powerful for despair that can compare notes and target people off site. It makes being an ultimate pancake flipper even worse.
AbsolutBro
Member
So if we trust Pau then the question becomes, do we think there's a Ninja or is this a feint by Czar?
unvote: Pau
unvote: Pau
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Try being a super high school level Basketball passer! Your abilities require your teammates, and that's only on the court! At least the pancake flipper get's to make himself comfort food at night...
I really shouldn't be posting from work but this is far too exciting!
You realize that if Pau and Ty4on are telling the truth (and at this point i don't see why they should lie, don't think Pau had that many votes on her but I'm on mobile and can't check), if they are telling the truth the best way to verify this 'Ninja' Theory is to:
Vote: CzarTim
I believe we could potentially get a lot of information from his flip.
You realize that if Pau and Ty4on are telling the truth (and at this point i don't see why they should lie, don't think Pau had that many votes on her but I'm on mobile and can't check), if they are telling the truth the best way to verify this 'Ninja' Theory is to:
Vote: CzarTim
I believe we could potentially get a lot of information from his flip.
AbsolutBro
Member
Zippedpinhead
Member
But now we know that *splinter doesn't have a PR that breaks rules, unless he is the ninja killer. That's actually pretty helpful for a guy like me that doesn't get this access.
That being said, I don't want Makai to die today,
vote:vivioggi
I think terrabyte's reasoning makes a lot of sense as a gambit, and without anything else to go on (I get a lot of Hope reads from the active players, though one person is rapidly making me change my assumption) I'll target him and his very odd voting and posting pattern.
You agree assuming the ninja gets a list too, there might be an underground tunnel or something that bypasses that part entirely.
It would be odd if the possible ninja also got a list as then they get a list of town power roles.
CornBurrito
Member
I.... cannot fucking believe this.
You found kgtrep's arguments against Crab on D2 to be unconvincing, but find Terrabyte's arguments against Vivi to be sound?
Zippedpinhead
Member
Yes, what so hard to believe?
Zippedpinhead
Member
Crab's been consistent with day 1 and 2, vivioggi has been consistently inconsistent.
The game is a marathon and a sprint. My vote for crab wasn't a vote against KgTrep's reasoning, it was a vote for who I thought would benefit town more at the time. That's what I said yesterday and it was as true at the beginning of that day as at the end.
CornBurrito
Member
That Terra's argument against Vivi is fairly weak compared to kgtrep's arguments against Crab on D2. And yet you buy into those but not kgtrep's.
AbsolutBro
Member
Very true. I guess it's possible the Ninja is invisible, but also doesn't see anything. Which frankly makes the whole map mechanic a bit painful for Hope. We would be playing Red Herring: The Game.
I am assuming that not all Despair roles are Ninja, which means they are getting this anyway. In would explain why Salva went N2; they saw him in the hallways and knew him to be a PR that wasn't on their team. It's a giant freaking target on the heads of anyone that wanders the halls, which is why I struggle to believe there would be a Ninja on top of all that. A single Despair PR that uses the Hallways could basically just repeatedly go across the school. Who cares if they get caught? They just report back on the Despair forum and those people WILL die eventually.
If the killer can see us but we can't see him, that's overpowered to the point where the room mechanic makes this game easier for Despair without giving Hope enough of a boost.
There's a least one Despair that can see rule breakers. It has to be why SalvaPot died.
I didn't think that was a good trade. All I'm saying for the future, the answers to Hope's questions might not be a good trade either. Doesn't mean they're automatically suspicious. All rule breakers are to an extent, but the information that maybe clears us also helps Despair.
Zippedpinhead
Member
Absolutbro gets it! We need to think about what we share and what we keep to ourselves. all the rule breakers are essentially risking their lives when they wander the halls.
Zippedpinhead
Member
I agree it's why salvapot died, and who knows what he did, or who he saw during his two nights of actions.
I think each of the rule breakers needs to ask themselves, if I died tonight is there any information that town absolutely should know?" We all want to assemble massive lists of cleared and scum people and who goes where and who does what, but I am pretty sure that we are going to lose a rule breaker every night until they are all gone.
I'm sure not every Hope PR breaks rules, and obviously despair has a role that isn't seen by anyone. we need to start thinking harder on what we are already revealIng even if we don't type it out.
CornBurrito
Member
Honestly so fucking done with this day...
Unvote Barrylocke
Unvote Barrylocke
Zippedpinhead
Member
That's not what I'm saying at all. Keeping everything to yourselves in this game benefits despair more than keeping rule breakers safe. Sharing things that despair may already know with the rest of us would help compare notes and open up despair to typing too quickly.
What if the ninja isn't one role but instead a shared power that all despair has? For example whoever submits the kill order does so without being seen, but does not collect fight club information. So if you and some others see someone night 1 and night 2 but not night 3, and no one else sees them on night 3 that opens them up for questioning.
CornBurrito
Member
If Crab is right with his numbers (Hope has about 8-9 PR), then we've had pretty much every Hope in the game with a PR reveal themselves to literally fucking everyone. Is there actually still a point in hiding information?
1: Makai's role claimed something.
2 + 3: Pau/Tl21 have seemed to claim Lovers.
4: Goshujin has role claimed something. I think I know what his role is.
5. Salva was swticher
6. Czar claims one shot cop.
7. AB claims sleep walker. Which actually could be a neutral role but idk what its win condition would be in that case so probably Hope.
Either we have pretty much every Hope PR revealed, or some of these fuckers are lying. Of the liars, I'd guess Makai. And goshujin might actually be Despair, though idk how strongly I think that.
But if they actually are all Hope, what's the point of hiding the fight club list now?
1: Makai's role claimed something.
2 + 3: Pau/Tl21 have seemed to claim Lovers.
4: Goshujin has role claimed something. I think I know what his role is.
5. Salva was swticher
6. Czar claims one shot cop.
7. AB claims sleep walker. Which actually could be a neutral role but idk what its win condition would be in that case so probably Hope.
Either we have pretty much every Hope PR revealed, or some of these fuckers are lying. Of the liars, I'd guess Makai. And goshujin might actually be Despair, though idk how strongly I think that.
But if they actually are all Hope, what's the point of hiding the fight club list now?
Zippedpinhead
Member
Reads ala Zippedpinhead:
1. Crab the less he posts today, the more I think I made a mistake yesterday.
2. Swamped Hope, I think our looks on some of the players align. Though we obviously think Makai has different abilities.
3. AbsolutBro Hope, Confirmed
4. TL21xx No Idea
5. CzarTim Hope.
6. CornBurrito We obviously disagree with how we would play the game. Could be either way..
7. Barrylocke Where are you? The less you post the more I think Despair. (same read from yesterday because you havent really posted today)
8. Kingkitty Still hasnt posted as much today, but not enough to warrant prods (at least I think so) - Leaning despair.
9. Kalor gives good information and insight when he posts, but the amount of posts he has tends to lean that he is despair giving breadcrumbs to appear not Despair vs Hope being busy.
10. Rest still no idea.
11. Makai I still dont trust you in the slightest, but I also dont want Town to lynch you.
12. ViviOggi I agree with Terrabyte20xx, he has been suspicious, and inconsistent. Hence the vote.
13. Pau If Ty4on is to be believed Hope, and I can understand it.
14. Terrabyte20xx Hope
15. Sawneeks No good read, she could be anything hasnt changed since yesterday
16. Goshujinsama I still dont trust the accidental role claim. Especially since he is not the switcher.
17. Ty4on Substitute player. Paus friend. Ill give a pass for Hope
1. Crab the less he posts today, the more I think I made a mistake yesterday.
2. Swamped Hope, I think our looks on some of the players align. Though we obviously think Makai has different abilities.
3. AbsolutBro Hope, Confirmed
4. TL21xx No Idea
5. CzarTim Hope.
6. CornBurrito We obviously disagree with how we would play the game. Could be either way..
7. Barrylocke Where are you? The less you post the more I think Despair. (same read from yesterday because you havent really posted today)
8. Kingkitty Still hasnt posted as much today, but not enough to warrant prods (at least I think so) - Leaning despair.
9. Kalor gives good information and insight when he posts, but the amount of posts he has tends to lean that he is despair giving breadcrumbs to appear not Despair vs Hope being busy.
10. Rest still no idea.
11. Makai I still dont trust you in the slightest, but I also dont want Town to lynch you.
12. ViviOggi I agree with Terrabyte20xx, he has been suspicious, and inconsistent. Hence the vote.
13. Pau If Ty4on is to be believed Hope, and I can understand it.
14. Terrabyte20xx Hope
15. Sawneeks No good read, she could be anything hasnt changed since yesterday
16. Goshujinsama I still dont trust the accidental role claim. Especially since he is not the switcher.
17. Ty4on Substitute player. Paus friend. Ill give a pass for Hope
So in the interest of figuring out who we should vote for today, here's a (truncated) version of my notes.
Hope: Ty4on, Pau,SalvaPot, kgtrep, franconp
Rulebreakers who have outed themselves or died: Pau, AbsolutBro, CzarTim,SalvaPot
Maybe Hope PR OR Unlikely Despair gambits: AbsolutBro, CzarTim, Gosh, Makai
Everyone else: Rest, Sawneeks, CornBurrito, *Splinter, Vivi, Crab, Swamped, Kalor, Zipped, Barry, Terra, kingkitty, TL21xx
So question is (to reiterate what AbsolutBro has asked), do we go after possible but unlikely gambits or someone else entirely?
Out of the Maybe Hope/Unlikely Despair gambits, I'm least likely to go after Gosh. I don't trust Makai, but hey, he's potentially in a similar situation as me. I really, really want AbsolutBro to be a Godfather like role if CzarTim is telling the truth because it makes life easier for me. I'm not 100% sure of CzarTim, and he's said he's okay with dying at this point, but that still gets ride of a Hope vote.
As for everyone else, I don't want to vote for people who are virtually inactive until tomorrow.
Hope: Ty4on, Pau,
Rulebreakers who have outed themselves or died: Pau, AbsolutBro, CzarTim,
Maybe Hope PR OR Unlikely Despair gambits: AbsolutBro, CzarTim, Gosh, Makai
Everyone else: Rest, Sawneeks, CornBurrito, *Splinter, Vivi, Crab, Swamped, Kalor, Zipped, Barry, Terra, kingkitty, TL21xx
Virtually inactive: Barry, TL21xx
So question is (to reiterate what AbsolutBro has asked), do we go after possible but unlikely gambits or someone else entirely?
Out of the Maybe Hope/Unlikely Despair gambits, I'm least likely to go after Gosh. I don't trust Makai, but hey, he's potentially in a similar situation as me. I really, really want AbsolutBro to be a Godfather like role if CzarTim is telling the truth because it makes life easier for me. I'm not 100% sure of CzarTim, and he's said he's okay with dying at this point, but that still gets ride of a Hope vote.
As for everyone else, I don't want to vote for people who are virtually inactive until tomorrow.
CornBurrito
Member
Honestly he never claimed switcher, and I see that now looking back. But he WAS veryyyyyyyyyyyy interested in Switcher priority. Which leads me to think he is either a killer or a blocker.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=173898165&postcount=461
However his question seemed to deal with killing...
I almost want to believe he's a Despair killer, maybe even the ninja since nobody's mentioned him being on a fight club list. But then why the fuck would he ask his D1 question in this thread rather than on the Despair subforum. Unless it was part of a ruse, since it led almost everyone here to assume he was Switcher and Hope aligned.
His question also doesn't really strike me as a question the Blocker would ask.
CornBurrito
Member
I actually really question goshujinsama now. Consider me a believer that he is Despair. With some conviction. But since he has no votes for today, I'll gladly give him another day and perhaps vote for Makai instead since I don't necessarily trust Makai either.
But we really really REALLY should stop giving people "oh they cant be Despair" passes just for being inactive/nonexistant.
But we really really REALLY should stop giving people "oh they cant be Despair" passes just for being inactive/nonexistant.
There might still be more Hope PRs and then people will complain that everyone is outed by D3. If a majority decides it's information they want, I'll give it up if Hope collectively thinks its judgment is better than the rule breakers'.
What if the question was: Do I block the switch from happening, or what happens to the switched?
AbsolutBro
Member
I'm going to assume that not every Despair player is a PR either. Which means we would only pass them the nights they carry out the actual kill. Assuming the Ninja doesn't do it every night, because why the crap wouldn't he?
If I am scum, who are my teammates?
Ah, thank you. I knew I had missed something. I appreciate you answering my questions.
I want to bring attention to this as well. After thinking over what has just been revealed I'm starting to feel that a vote on Tim might be a better course of action. So far it seems pretty clear that people who walk the halls see each other and essentially are able to create a 'list' over time of people they meet when out at night. Meaning if a Hope rule breaker crosses path with a Mafia rule breaker that member of the Mafia now knows who might have a Power Role among the Hope players. This would allow them to strategize instead of simply shooting in the dark and they now have a far better shot at hitting those roles. This can be supported by the fact that Francomp ( a normal town player ) was killed Night 1 and when Night 2 comes and goes, SalvaPot is found dead ( a Hope Power Role ). So, by this example, we can assume whoever saw SalvaPot move on Night 1 is somehow related to the Mafia.
I believe Tim said something about seeing Salva on Night 1 ( I could be remembering incrroectly, there is a lot of info today ) and neither Pau, Ty4on, or AB have mentioned seeing Salva during the night. Assuming this is correct, we can guess that Salva moved to the left, crossing paths with Tim, and either moved into a room ( the Pool or whatever that top left thing is ) or went to the bedrooms on the bottom of the map. So far this means the only person who has said to cross paths with Salva is Tim and now that we know both a possible Ninja and a possible Godfather exist, it wouldn't be a stretch to assume Tim could be the later. If he happens to not be Despair this would lead to us losing the supposed 'one-shot cop turned normal town' player, not a big loss all things considered.
Vote: CzarTim
CornBurrito
Member
Look, I'm not saying to list names. But it might be helpful to start looking at people outside of the 8 (supposed) Hope PR's on this list. Given the huge number of 1 shot powers this game, maybe we do have a higher proportion of PR's. But 8 is a lot.
1: Makai
2 Pau - Lover
3. Typhon - Lover
4: Goshujin
5. Salva - Switcher
6. Czar
7. AB
8. Kgtrep - Debater
Anyway goshu's question was not about blocking. It gave him no info about blocking vs switcher. It purely was about killing vs switcher. We know salva is switcher. It makes more sense that goshujinsama is a killer in that case. His question was either a ruse to make us all think he was a PR/switcher, or a ruse to make us think he was a clueless Hope PR instead of a Despair PR. Or he was just a clueless Despair PR and fucked up on D1 but managed to twist it around.
AbsolutBro
Member
Huge number? We have 1 so far: CzarTim (assuming we believe him).
CornBurrito
Member
Kgtrep.
Despair can talk 24/7 and coordinate whatever they want. It makes deciding teammates based on interactions in this thread hard because it can all be an act.
CornBurrito
Member
Gonna need someone to tell me I'm not crazy with my goshujinsama suspicion.
Zippedpinhead
Member
Your not crazy, it sounds as legit as terrabyte20xx 's theory on vivioggi
I am very suspicious of him as well. I don't understand our exchange last night, it felt disingenuous.
AbsolutBro
Member
I am seriously fucking brain dead. Good call.
CornBurrito
Member
It would confirm a few things for me and is why I suggested it. It doesn't save AB from suspicion just by pure association but it would give more merit to his Hope-ness.
Sorry Tim. :'(
If you are a Despair PR who on N1 saw Salva and only Salva, it makes a ton of sense to kill him at night because you have no witnesses. If Czar and AB are hope then the only place Salva could have been spotted in my theory is the green area.
It's far too big to find any targets, but it could be a place to avoid as a rule breaker.
It's far too big to find any targets, but it could be a place to avoid as a rule breaker.
Now I feel bad. It'll feel empty afterwards.
honestly, it's fine. sometimes this happens in mafia. I still win with you guys if I'm dead, so if my death leads to town victory, it works for me!
Meh, they're probably evenly distributed and it won't make a difference.
I dunno where I was going with that. Salva's role means he could have visited almost the entire map in one night.
CornBurrito
Member
You have like 3 votes... why are you hanging the noose on your own neck and walking towards the gallows? Or is this a ploy like Crab voting for himself on D2?
That's very true. It was quite obvious and if they saw him the sheer number of possible witnesses might have made everyone and their dog a target for having seen him.