Do they still hold up? I've never gotten into the series before but gog.com has them all for $15.
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Rayman Origins PC - March 29 - Retail copy no DRM, Steam copy no 3rd party DRM
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Do they still hold up? I've never gotten into the series before but gog.com has them all for $15.
That's at least partially because you get DRM'ed either way though. I'll definitely be buying retail for DRM free. I like Steam but I much prefer a totally DRM free solution that means my game is always mine. People who go "DRM free? I'll buy it on Steam for sure!" confuse and frighten me.
The Steam DRM isn't on the same level as Ubisoft bullshit. It's simple as that.
I don't mind Steam type of DRM at all.
Steam's DRM on its own is unobtrusive and a non-issue since you have all of Steam's other features at your disposal, and for the coreligionists it's another game in your Steam collection. When coupled with any other DRM it becomes a nightmare and you gain nothing for it. It's one thing to oppose the principle of DRM entirely, which is fine, but most people just oppose the intrusive, consumer unfriendly varieties.
If the Steam version ends up just having Steam's DRM then I'd be getting that, just so I have it in my library and can track the achievements in it. If not, then I'll be grabbing a retail copy, because fuck TAGES.
Major Williams
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I loved this game so much. Can't even upt into words how fun this was. Similar, but different in refreshing ways to Super Mario Bros. achievement are so fun to get, and the speed challenges are awesome. That last levels time challenge... Eesh what a pain! It took my wife and I nearly 45 minutes to memorize the fastest jumps, which paths to take around the lightning cloud, etc. Crazy fun in a different way.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Here's why people don't see Steam as DRM:
- Valve isn't going to go bankrupt
- Valve isn't going to get bought out
- The DRM never interferes with them in their actual playing of the game
- Typically it is coupled with automatic patching, so insofar as they might have a pang of fear, they're also getting a benefit.
I mean, if you prefer DRM free, that's cool, but I'm not sure what's confusing about the stance that Stance or any similarly well implemented client by a reliable publisher would not be considered DRM for a lot of people.
Spectacular Dr Dawg
Member
GOG version of rayman forever only comes with half the music but you can get the rest here. And just a heads up, some anti-virus software think that Rayman Forever is a virus so you might have to turn that off while installing.
Graphically Rayman 2 holds up well. You can edit the ubi.ini to set the res to 1080p. The game has some wierd fps cap though. It sometimes locks the fps to 60 which is annoying when you're on a 120hz monitor and sometimes it locks the fps to 30 which is really annoying.
Rayman 3 looks slightly worse than 2 for some reason. Here's a guide to make it 1080p or higher. This game has an unlocked framerate but the water is locked at 60 fps which makes it twice as fast at 120 fps.
Gameplay wise 2 and especially 1 hold up well. Haven't played much of 3 so I can't really comment on that
You'll probably want to use a gamepad for 2 and 3.
faceless007
Member
It doesn't really matter whether or not people consider it so, it's a restriction on how you can use the software, so by any objective definition, it's DRM. It might be negligible to them, but it's still DRM.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
Right, but to the extent such a loose definition of 'DRM' includes games being authenticated by CD Keys (which was prevalent 20 years ago), and the understanding that the majority of publishers will include 'DRM' (or, as it used to be called, 'copy protection') on anything they release to prevent casual piracy, Steam is a more than acceptable solution, as the benefits it provides far outweigh a single online activation check.
Nah, I understand that. I just don't see why you'd go digital if you have an option for a totally DRM free game. I love Steam but why not get the one you will truly own (barring a significant price break)?
Because I value the benefits of Steam more than owning a physical copy of the game:
1) 3 click install
2) No need to use or keep track of a disc
3) Automatic patching
4) Steam integration (and no need to setup a custom shortcut for a non-Steam game)
5) No need to go out to a store and buy it.
6) I get the game on launch day (if the retail version ships on the release date, I likely won't get it until 1-2 days later)
Owning a physical disc is mostly an inconvenience for me. I'll never trade-in or get rid of PC games, as they tend to not be worth much. Shelf space is at a premium at my place, and if I had a case for every one of my 500 games on Steam, I wouldn't have any place to put them.
out0v0rder
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this might bring me back out of my ubifunk.
snoopeasystreet
Member
Calling it now. People who buy the game on day one will find out that it actually has always online DRM.
Can't trust Ubisoft when it comes to the PC.
Can't trust Ubisoft when it comes to the PC.
I have yet to find a game not in-stock at a retail store on launch day. That is a publishers worst nightmare.
IrishNinja
Member
right DRM, right price - damn, time to sell my still unplayed $20 TRU bomba copy and double-dip on steam version then.
The Hermit
Member
Rayman Origins for PC, holy shit took it long enough!! but Ubisoft...no DRM?!WTF is going on today? What a wierd a day, Ono's best troll so far, good Nintendo news...
I wish someone would explain to idiot publishers that third party activation means absolutely nothing when it comes to Steam. I mean, Steam already requires you to activate most installed games so why should we be saddled with an additional point of failure? $1000 says that TAGES dies before Steam.
And who still buys PC games at retail? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS PUBLISHER.
edit: Really, someone explain this to me. Is it planned obsolescence? Surely they realize that by releasing a DRM-free version to retail, pirates won't even have to bother downloading or cracking the TAGES version... Why would they go out of their way to screw with the only people who are guaranteed to have paid for the game?
And who still buys PC games at retail? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS PUBLISHER.
edit: Really, someone explain this to me. Is it planned obsolescence? Surely they realize that by releasing a DRM-free version to retail, pirates won't even have to bother downloading or cracking the TAGES version... Why would they go out of their way to screw with the only people who are guaranteed to have paid for the game?
The Ubisoft store has the price listed for $30 right now. Not a bad deal, but seeing the console version going on sale for $20 makes me want to wait for the PC version to hit that price as well. Glad it's coming to the PC though.
Haunted
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crimsonheadGCN
Banned
DRM on the digital version looks to be Tages-Solidshield:
http://www.impulsedriven.com/raymanorigins
Most likely the same one that was used for the latest Anno.
http://www.impulsedriven.com/raymanorigins
Most likely the same one that was used for the latest Anno.
jim-jam bongs
Member
Sentenza
Member
That's a very stupid move.
Damn you, Ubisoft, you were doing just fine, for once.
Why do I need to choose between a DRM free retail or a TAGES-plagued Steam version?
AbsoluteZero
Banned
Why? Origins and 1-3 aren't related in the least outside of the characters.
zephervack
Member
Bail out 
, Why Ubisoft, why???? I was actually getting excited about this game.
, Why Ubisoft, why???? I was actually getting excited about this game.
The Hermit
Member
the funny part is that the retail version will be pirated, both versions will bomb and Ubi will say "see, that's why we won't release PC versions anymore"
Are you fucking kidding me?
Nabs
Member
We won't know until release. EA uses Solidshield as well, but it's only as a way to activate your games. There are no limits as far as I know.
Ubi uses Solidshield to fuck with you.
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
I don't know, Ubisoft is known for using DRM all the time. How's this surprising? Especially for a highly pirated game like Rayman.
faceless007
Member
EA Solidshield gives 5 activations, but they can be revoked easily. Ubi Solidshield activations are permanent, if Anno is any indication.
I told you. I knew it! Fuck!
Yeah. Ubi does nothing but piss people off. Make it Steamworks (with no other DRM) and you're celebrated. Who wants to buy retail (in America)? Will they even sell this game at retail in the US? So put no DRM on the version that's easily trade-able with friends, and the one that's tied to your valuable Steam account, that's the one that gets the lock downs on casual trading. SMH. So much incompetence.
jim-jam bongs
Member
Retail versions of games are usually the versions which appear on torrent sites. The retail version of this game has no DRM at all.
Digital versions of games rarely end up on torrent sites. The digital versions of this game use a limited activation DRM system.
I THINK it's supposed to be, if they confirm a retail release here (even if it's limited to Amazon or something) I'll reconsider skipping the PC version in favor of the Vita version. Or at least if they don't put any extra DRM on the Steam version because, seriously, it's fucking Steam. Don't be dumb about this!
carbonbased
Member
no ty. got enough other great stuff on my plate so i see no reason to deal with ubi's shenanigans. maybe if they had put some extra work into it and implemented online co-op i would bend. skipping this will be easy now.
jim-jam bongs
Member
Once only. If you simply restart in offline mode immediately after installing it on a new PC you shouldn't have any problems starting it in offline from then on.
Could you explain that a bit? I couldn't even start the Steam client and I've used the offline mode in the past already.
Yeah, it's supposed to be that way, but if I reboot and try to enter offline mode without connecting first, I get an error and can't play anything. It's broken, hence why I keep no-DVD cracks handy. You can swap .exe's back and forth without trouble.
jim-jam bongs
Member
You should be able to go offline without an internet connection once you've gone offline with an internet connection available. Are you sure you've successfully gone offline on that PC in the past?
Offline mode has never been an exact science but it's been working well for me for about a year now.
I didn't know about the reboot thing, I never shut my PC off though.
So I need to go offline while having an internet connection? There's no way around that?
Not that I ever bought anything on Steam, it's just the Humble Bundle games, but that's pretty tiresome. I don't understand why people like Steam DRM when it's still a bit shitty with offline mode.
jim-jam bongs
Member
Because it affects almost nobody? I use offline mode extensively without problems. It's obviously not perfect but I swear the "offline mode is mildly inconvenient" thing is the last card in the pack.
AbsoluteZero
Banned
So uh...just sayin', guys, but if I wanted this game on PC and I didn't want DRM, I'd just buy the retail version.
That doesn't seem too difficult...
That doesn't seem too difficult...
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