The Faceless Master
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Sony Cuts PlayStation 3 Price, Aims to Double Sales.
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"Sony's recent redressing of the PS3's production problems has made it profitable according to Richard Doherty, an analyst at the US research firm Envisioneering Group.
The analyst told Bloomberg that thanks to Sony's resolution of its production issues the PS3 has actually been profitable for several months, while he reckons that Microsoft loses money on every Xbox 360 it sells.
Any price cut they try to make puts them more into the red,'' says Doherty of the 360."
http://www.n4g.com/industrynews/News-50578.aspx
Sony was actually making money already on the PS3?
The analyst told Bloomberg that thanks to Sony's resolution of its production issues the PS3 has actually been profitable for several months, while he reckons that Microsoft loses money on every Xbox 360 it sells.
Any price cut they try to make puts them more into the red,'' says Doherty of the 360."
http://www.n4g.com/industrynews/News-50578.aspx
Sony was actually making money already on the PS3?
Probably more PS3s sold through amazon.com today than HD DVD players overall in the last month.
End the hi def movie wars! This is what is important. If PS3 needs to take a hit on the gaming side to do so, so be it!
Hi def movies > Hi def games
I can do both on PS3 though.
Watched 3 Blu Ray movies yesterday on a friends 42" 720P TV on the triple. I don't know if I even need to go to the theater again. The picture quality was astounding. Watched parts of Pirates on DVD and then Blu Ray back to back, and the DVD version looked fuzzy like a bad VHS tape by comparison. Blu Ray picture crystal clear. Such a huge difference, when people see it themselves they'll want it. DVD is dead to me now. I need a big screen HDTV stat. My computer upgrade and Crysis can wait.
End the hi def movie wars! This is what is important. If PS3 needs to take a hit on the gaming side to do so, so be it!
Hi def movies > Hi def games
I can do both on PS3 though.
Watched 3 Blu Ray movies yesterday on a friends 42" 720P TV on the triple. I don't know if I even need to go to the theater again. The picture quality was astounding. Watched parts of Pirates on DVD and then Blu Ray back to back, and the DVD version looked fuzzy like a bad VHS tape by comparison. Blu Ray picture crystal clear. Such a huge difference, when people see it themselves they'll want it. DVD is dead to me now. I need a big screen HDTV stat. My computer upgrade and Crysis can wait.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Well, we could light the "Goodcow" signal if you really need it clarified.Avrum said:
The Faceless Master said:
From all I've read, the glitches he talks about are extremely minor and the existence of any had a game marked as not fully BC. I could be mistaken though.
Examples from http://www.us.playstation.com/Support/CompatibleStatus
Firewire said:
I saw that in the Bloomberg article this morning. I would love to know where that analyst got that information. If they are turning a profit on it already well that is pretty amazing. I have my doubts. As I said in the other thread Isupply really needs to do a new analysis because there last one a couple of months ago supported the opposite in fact, 360 cheaper than retail while the PS3 was no where close.
Mrbob said:Probably more PS3s sold through amazon.com today than HD DVD players overall in the last month.
End the hi def movie wars! This is what is important. If PS3 needs to take a hit on the gaming side to do so, so be it!
Hi def movies > Hi def games
I can do both on PS3 though.
Watched 3 Blu Ray movies yesterday on a friends 42" 720P TV on the triple. I don't know if I even need to go to the theater again. The picture quality was astounding. Watched parts of Pirates on DVD and then Blu Ray back to back, and the DVD version looked fuzzy like a bad VHS tape by comparison. Blu Ray picture crystal clear. Such a huge difference, when people see it themselves they'll want it. DVD is dead to me now. I need a big screen HDTV stat. My computer upgrade and Crysis can wait.
Wow.
welcome brother
DreamMachine
Member
Firewire said:
there is no way that's true..
I find that really hard to beleive almost after 20 months.. sounds like FUD to me.
justjohn said:
They are probably factoring in the cost of the 3 years warranty disaster.
If not ... then MS is really ****ed
BTW - Even if MS's ancillary components are cheap, the chips, etc. really aren't ... and MS has to actually pay for everything. The companies they are sourcing from actually need to make a profit too.
Sony has the advantage of actually getting a discount (effectively at cost I would assume) for a lot of the components. BD drive, CELL, etc. Crap, they fab the RSX themselves (though obviously pay a royalty per).
They also have other advantages due to the CE devices and PC's they make. For example, stuff like HDD's, USB controllers, etc. are likely getting a better bulk discount, since they can merge their purchase orders.
Psychotext
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There's plenty of information out there which explains how the Amazon ranking system works, and lots more stories about how authors have bought their own books up to get them to temporarily appear in the top 10 and amass huge sales because of the increased exposure.Avrum said:
KTallguy said:
Agreed. I made sure everything was hooked up properly for him.
Had HDMI connection, Deep Color turned on, good to go. My appreciation for the PS3 skyrocketed after yesterday. I mean, I have one Blu Ray movie (Crank, don't ask!) and I'm currently using a 19" widescreen monitor (hooked up via dvi hdcp). The PS3 games looks good, and the blu ray movie looks good, but it seems like a waste on such a small screen. I need something bigger.
Mrbob said:My appreciation for the PS3 skyrocketed after yesterday. I mean, I have one Blu Ray movie (Crank, don't ask!) and I'm currently using a 19" widescreen monitor (hooked up via dvi hdcp). The PS3 games looks good, and the blu ray movie looks good, but it seems like a waste on such a small screen. I need something bigger.
Save up and get a nice LCD, at least 40". It'll do you good.
I need some speakers soon too.
Ozymandias
Member
Posted this on Evil Avatar - just thought I'd share. Flame away!
What I can't believe is that folks haven't figured out there really hasn't been a price cut. Simply put, the price of entry to play a PS3 game today is $499 - the exact same price it was when the PS3 launched.
Yes, there's a bit more value to the existing hardware SKUs - bravo. But a price cut? Sony's marketing has done it again, and you guys are drinking the Kool-aid.
I did do a post with a bit more - feel free to read or ignore as you prefer.
http://ozymandias.com/archive/2007/07/09/PS3-Price-Drop_3F00_-Not-Really_2E002E002E002E00_.aspx
What I can't believe is that folks haven't figured out there really hasn't been a price cut. Simply put, the price of entry to play a PS3 game today is $499 - the exact same price it was when the PS3 launched.
Yes, there's a bit more value to the existing hardware SKUs - bravo. But a price cut? Sony's marketing has done it again, and you guys are drinking the Kool-aid.
I did do a post with a bit more - feel free to read or ignore as you prefer.
http://ozymandias.com/archive/2007/07/09/PS3-Price-Drop_3F00_-Not-Really_2E002E002E002E00_.aspx
Ozymandias said:Posted this on Evil Avatar - just thought I'd share. Flame away!
What I can't believe is that folks haven't figured out there really hasn't been a price cut. Simply put, the price of entry to play a PS3 game today is $499 - the exact same price it was when the PS3 launched.
Yes, there's a bit more value to the existing hardware SKUs - bravo. But a price cut? Sony's marketing has done it again, and you guys are drinking the Kool-aid.
I did do a post with a bit more - feel free to read or ignore as you prefer.
http://ozymandias.com/archive/2007/07/09/PS3-Price-Drop_3F00_-Not-Really_2E002E002E002E00_.aspx
welp seems like its about that time again-_-
AltogetherAndrews
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Ozymandias said:Posted this on Evil Avatar - just thought I'd share. Flame away!
What I can't believe is that folks haven't figured out there really hasn't been a price cut. Simply put, the price of entry to play a PS3 game today is $499 - the exact same price it was when the PS3 launched.
Yes, there's a bit more value to the existing hardware SKUs - bravo. But a price cut? Sony's marketing has done it again, and you guys are drinking the Kool-aid.
Oh for ****'s sake
In case people are interested, somebody mentioned earlier in the thread that an 80GB hard drive is the largest single platter drive they can make. Anything bigger than that, the cost jumps.
After this, I don't see them increasing the HD size any more. I think 80GB is hear to stay and at $499 by Xmas.
After this, I don't see them increasing the HD size any more. I think 80GB is hear to stay and at $499 by Xmas.
Ozymandias
Member
And $499 is the same price the low-end PS3 was available for at launch. In other words, it costs the same to play a PS3 game today as it did when the console first launched. Where's the price cut?
I did say there is more value to the PS3 at that price - no arguing there. But no one can point out a way to play a PS3 game for less than $499, or the launch price... can you?
I did say there is more value to the PS3 at that price - no arguing there. But no one can point out a way to play a PS3 game for less than $499, or the launch price... can you?
Psychotext said:
I was just asking since I wasn't sure myself. The fact that some sites are citing a 2800% jump tells me either that for a jump to be so insane sales had to already have been extremely low, or something else is up with those numbers. If it's by rank, then yeah, I'm guess then that would be that "something else."
FirstInHell
Banned
When the PS3 launched, I picked one up at Walmart for $499. I guess the price I paid was from the future
Maximilian E.
AKA MS-Evangelist
Just curious about one thing..
All of you PS3 owners that bought a PS3 to watch Hi-def movies.. how are those universal flicks working for you??
afaik, to have access to the whole HD-movie market, you have to have both HDdvd and blu ray right??
So I was wondering how you guys solved the HD-DVD problem?? Just a PS3 won´t cut it (atm)..
All of you PS3 owners that bought a PS3 to watch Hi-def movies.. how are those universal flicks working for you??
afaik, to have access to the whole HD-movie market, you have to have both HDdvd and blu ray right??
So I was wondering how you guys solved the HD-DVD problem?? Just a PS3 won´t cut it (atm)..
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
What's that fragFX controller thing and why did it jump 30.000% in sales on Amazon?
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
yup- but just to go over it from a semi-sensible point of view...
the price cut is great for people who held off because they get more value for your $, however, the price of entry to the PS3 when it launched was still $499 for the 20 gig drive (which plays the same games, the same movies, etc...) and that is still the case.
So i guess the theory is that if people wouldn't bite at $499 last time, then an extra 40 gig hdd , wireless and a card reader probably won't make that much of a difference to the general public because the barrier to entry (the price) is still the same.
It's great news for the hardcore gamer looking for more value on their outlay, but i'm not sure it'll have the desired effect of driving PS3 sales up 100%.
We shall see.
titiklabingapat
Member
I might be late but here's Nintendo's response:
http://www.codenamerevolution.com/?p=5549
Catfight!!
http://www.codenamerevolution.com/?p=5549
Catfight!!
ComputerNerd
Banned
Firewire said:
You serious? Did you not see this part?
"according to Richard Doherty, an analyst at the US research firm Envisioneering Group."
FYI, here's what Sony themselves thinks on the subject.
http://japan.seekingalpha.com/article/35692
Record sales of Bravia LCD TVs and improving financials at its Game division (which is not expected to be profitable until the FY ending March '09)...
This was from their year-end financial statement. And this was before they factored in an early price drop. This also includes their profitable PSP line.
AltogetherAndrews
Member
ComputerNerd said:
Isn't there a lot more to the gaming division than just hardware though? Marketing of the system, development, marketing and distribution of internal game titles and services seems like it'd cost a pretty penny, and in many cases can't be expected to turn any profit until the products and services have been on the market for some time.
p_xavier
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AltogetherAndrews said:
Exactly, I wouldn't be suprised if they were making a profit on the console too, blue diodes are 100x cheaper than last year. Sony folks are pros at engineering. Remember the PSP, it will cost 500US, they won't make any profit for years... 6 months after the launch they were making money on the system.
AltogetherAndrews
Member
DCharlie said:
They announced it last week. It's not the first time Sony has talked about production increase due to having solved certain issues with precisely this technology; as I recall, it was talked about as early as January.
"Isn't there a lot more to the gaming division than just hardware though? Marketing of the system, development, marketing and distribution of internal game titles and services seems like it'd cost a pretty penny, and in many cases can't be expected to turn any profit until the products and services have been on the market for some time."
They were talking consoles specifically. Turning a profit on each console sold or taking a loss on each console sold specifically.
That analyst seems to have his systems reversed.
They were talking consoles specifically. Turning a profit on each console sold or taking a loss on each console sold specifically.
That analyst seems to have his systems reversed.
Ozymandias said:Posted this on Evil Avatar - just thought I'd share. Flame away!
What I can't believe is that folks haven't figured out there really hasn't been a price cut. Simply put, the price of entry to play a PS3 game today is $499 - the exact same price it was when the PS3 launched.
Yes, there's a bit more value to the existing hardware SKUs - bravo. But a price cut? Sony's marketing has done it again, and you guys are drinking the Kool-aid.
I did do a post with a bit more - feel free to read or ignore as you prefer.
http://ozymandias.com/archive/2007/07/09/PS3-Price-Drop_3F00_-Not-Really_2E002E002E002E00_.aspx
Incredible... Sony duped us all!
They cut the price of the PS3 by $100... if the 20gb was still in mainstream here, i'm sure that would've received a cut as well... but, it's been phased... WTH is wrong with people anymore? People are on one hell of a crusade against Sony... Instead of blaming what Sony did to your company, blame Nintendo/MS themselves what they did to you...
A price cut, is a price cut... like it or not... it's $100 cheaper, as reflected in ads and stickers... too bad to the haters...
Anyways, I know ppl that didn't grab the 20gb cause they wanted the frills of the 60gb, and now those ppl waiting on the drop got it...
Maximilian E.
AKA MS-Evangelist
Onix said:
Oh come on now.. so you can´t see it?
Ok, my comment is based on the argument that blu ray is such a deciding factor. Many here have said that they bought a PS3 to have the ability to watch hi-def movies and my point was to them.
As I see it, you still need at least two machines to have access to the whole hi-def market, meaning that a PS3 alone will not cut it. With this statement, we are entering the cost factor as well. A PS3 + a HD-dvd player (to have access to the whole market) is a rather hefty investment. There are folks out there that buy a HD-dvd movie and think that it will work in their PS3 (or vice versa), which sucks ass.
So yeah, my comment was to them who bought the PS3 as a hi-def player and who the have solved the "HD-dvd movies" debacle.
Because I still think that buying a PS3 (or an HD-addon for 360) is not the ideal way to enjoy hi-def.. (hybrid player yes please)..
So again, my comment were to the ones that bought a PS3 to watch the hd-movies.. i was curious on how the solved this issue....
fistfulofmetal
Banned
So the PS3 really is profitable?
I still find it hard to believe
I still find it hard to believe
AltogetherAndrews
Member
Sean*O said:
Who are "they"? What I read and responded to specified "gaming division", which includes more than just console hardware.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
why would they hold a "we sorted out production issues" press release for 7 months? it's possible, but yeah....
anyways, i also want to clarify that even if we are talking about 'profit' they are talking about profit on each console which , well, i don't believe is true just yet, but as far as the PS3 as a -project- is concerned i'd say it's a good 3-4 years away getting anywhere near being profitable.
Pristine_Condition
Member
RamzaIsCool said:
Two words:
Resistance Tournament