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The Walking Dead Season 4, Part 2 Sundays on AMC
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My thoughts are in line with yours. I think Riggs did a fine job and he's getting better, but I knew it was the sort of episode that would have people complaining. They did a good translation of what went on in the comics without stretching it out, and I'm glad (comics)
they're going to have the important downtime before introducing Alexandria and Negan like they said they would
HadesGigas
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Carl realized he was still kind of a little bitch, Rick realized Carl isn't as much of a little bitch as he was treating him, and Michonne tracked them down thanks to pudding.
Cellbomber
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I think some of the issue is how they stay focused on 2-3 characters the entire episode instead of dragging their stories across multiple episodes. They could have easily mixed in the other characters scenes last night instead of dedicating an entire episode to Rick, Carl and Michonne. This may help with the boring archs or the feeling everything is being rushed to finish within an episode. Maybe have Rick wake up sometime the next episode.
Sometimes the dedicated episodes work (return of the "let himself go" governor) and other times it doesnt.
Sometimes the dedicated episodes work (return of the "let himself go" governor) and other times it doesnt.
Thanks! On demand did not allow fast forwarding and I didn't feel like re watching the whole thing. Really thinking about dropping this show. Keeps going down hill.
Joe Prodigy
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I thought that was a pretty solid episode. Maybe because most of it was straight out of the comics but I really dug it.
Pai Pai Master
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it's amazing what you can do when you stick to the source material
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Well that was entirely too much Karl for me, hopefully that's the last we see of him for awhile. Next week looks good from the preview.
If that's what happens when they stick to the source material, then they should ditch the comics completely.
MeBecomingI
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That was a great episode to kick on the back half of the season. For one, it was nice to see Michonne get some more screen time and some glimpses into her past. The "dream sequence" was great and much needed 'cause more Michonne is a good thing. It was nice to be outside of the prison and to see a more gritty side of the show. Kind of getting back the very basics of survival now and I'm even more excited for the next episode now. No more prison... finally.
Nah, it is absolutely the worst show on television. It deserves to be scrapped and flushed down a toilet. Am I doing it right?
Nah, it is absolutely the worst show on television. It deserves to be scrapped and flushed down a toilet. Am I doing it right?
How come the walker that got Carl's shoe was so strong? it would seem that he's been stuck in there for a long time and we all know that eventually the walkers get weak, hell even in this episode we could see that the first walker they encounter is notoriously weak (just that rick was weaker and couldn't get the job done with the axe)
Anyway, fine episode, nothing espectacular, but I have a feeling things are about to pick up in the coming weeks.
Anyway, fine episode, nothing espectacular, but I have a feeling things are about to pick up in the coming weeks.
ToyMachine228
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The problem the show has had is trying to walk a line between sticking to the comics and doing their own thing. I'd prefer they did one or the other. Adding new characters is fine. But that doesn't mean that they need to skip over or completely fuck up the characterization of others. I really think they've missed the boat on both Rick and Carl as characters. I'm hoping they come out of this debacle as who they are really supposed to be.
googleplex
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I liked that they deviatee from the comic as much as they did. We got 2 season of awesome crazy Shane as a result.
#teamShane for life.
HadesGigas
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Rick on the show had some of the states of mind he went through in the comic all swapped around and mashed together which was a bit weird, but I think he's about where he needs to be as a character now. He's been pretty much broken of all hope to return to "like it was before", he's kinda fucked in the head but aware of it, doesn't have much to keep him going beyond Carl.
Carl seems about the same to me, though adjusted to be a bit mouthier cause of how he's older than in the comics.
Carl seems about the same to me, though adjusted to be a bit mouthier cause of how he's older than in the comics.
I still don't think Carl is that shitty because of this episode. I mean, honestly..compared to past characters, he actually has a logical reason for being shitty. Whereas Lori, Andrea, Dale, Rick and so on, did really stupid shit without any logical follow through. They were just insufferable people doing things, that made you dislike them (especially Andrea). At least with Carl, there is some follow through to why he's acting the way he does.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Wow, so Carl is a prick.
Bad episode.
AHAH
Pros
- The first part, before the opening credits was good.
- No hallucinations
- No ghosts
- The michonne dream was fine, it even had michonne smiling!
Cons
- Michonne had a stupid nervous breakdown that remains unexplained
- Michonne ditched her zombie guardians. Why? Nobody knows. Wont be explained
- Carl had a stupid nervous breakdown for incredibly stupid reasons
- Carl took most of the episode time, which is always bad
- Carl still alive
- Carl is the new Lori/Andrea/Carol which means he is stupid just so the show has somebody making stupid decisions to put everybody in jeopardy (at least they choose a male character for this now.)
- The show went back to being extra slow. Im not expecting a rollercoaster here, but most episodes are too slow for anything.
- The first part, before the opening credits was good.
- No hallucinations
- No ghosts
- The michonne dream was fine, it even had michonne smiling!
Cons
- Michonne had a stupid nervous breakdown that remains unexplained
- Michonne ditched her zombie guardians. Why? Nobody knows. Wont be explained
- Carl had a stupid nervous breakdown for incredibly stupid reasons
- Carl took most of the episode time, which is always bad
- Carl still alive
- Carl is the new Lori/Andrea/Carol which means he is stupid just so the show has somebody making stupid decisions to put everybody in jeopardy (at least they choose a male character for this now.)
- The show went back to being extra slow. Im not expecting a rollercoaster here, but most episodes are too slow for anything.
AHAH
Impeccable
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Okay maybe I'm missing something but I thought it was really obvious that...
her breakdown was related to all the stuff that went down before she met everyone and caused her to be alone and she ditched her guardians because she realized she didn't want to be all alone again.
That kinda explains it... and i havent thought it that way.
But i feel every time a character has a nervous breakdown is "Now? After more than a year and a half of zombie apocalipse and you decide to have another breakdown again?"
Probably been discussed but what the hell was up with Michonne the necromancer?
Enjoyed the episode well enough aside from that WTF, the kid's awful acting aside. I really wasn't expecting them to run with the Carl/Rick plot from the comics, so kudos to them for doing it. I was counting on them introducing new characters ASAP.
Enjoyed the episode well enough aside from that WTF, the kid's awful acting aside. I really wasn't expecting them to run with the Carl/Rick plot from the comics, so kudos to them for doing it. I was counting on them introducing new characters ASAP.
And become zombies.
That's how I saw it too.
She thinks that everyone she has been with for months and built friendships and a community with is dead. I'd be a little depressed too.
silver.tongue
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Smaller groups! Now we are talking... Really enjoyed this first ep. back.
bluepolicebox
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I would think that for many the emotional strain would get worse not better as time passed. Just the way she looked holding Judith for a few moments made it clear that she's not as hard on the inside as she is on the outside.
The battle at the prison is also weighing heavily on the characters the episode tracked this week. Carl was obviously upset about the loss of his friends, a lot of Rick's shock probably had as much to do with Hershel's death as it did his physical injuries, and Michonne found herself alone once again. I had to remind myself a couple times that it was still fresh in their minds even though it wasn't in mine.
I really liked the episode and I'm no fan of Carl's character.
I'd imagine that getting booted out of the relative safety and stability of the prison by a bloody battle where several of your friends die would be a pretty powerful triggering instance.
Then the episode would have been scattershot instead of focused, and instead of actually getting an actual arc for two characters in one episode we would have progressed very little due to juggling between too many stories at once.
Seriously. I was just thinking about that, too.
Michonne should have her own detective show.
Simon Says
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7/10
Content Roundup Episode 409: After
AMC Inside The Walking Dead:
Talking Deads Inside The Dead:
PLEASE SPOILER TAG ALL PREVIEW/PROMO AND GRAPHIC NOVEL DISCUSSION. REVIEW THE OP FOR COMPLETE THREAD RULES ON SPOILERS.
AMC Inside The Walking Dead:
- The Making of Episode 409, After - AMC
- Inside Episode 409: After - AMC
- Preview of Episode 410, Inmates - International
- Sneak Peek 1 of Episode 410, Inmates - AMC | International
- Sneak Peek 2 of Episode 410, Inmates - International
- Bonus Scene: Episode 409: Talking Dead - AMC
- The Hollywood Reporter - Walking Dead Dissection: Scott Gimple on Michonnes Surprising Past, Rick and Carls New Bond [Spoilers]
- Entertainment Weekly - The Walking Dead: Robert Kirkman breaks down the midseason premiere
- Vulture - Walking Dead Boss Scott Gimple on Defending Carl and Michonnes Dreamland
- Zap2it - The Walking Dead Season 4: EP Gale Anne Hurd promises theres not a formula for next seven episodes
- Entertainment Weekly - The Walking Dead: Andrew Lincoln gives his take on the midseason premiere
- Entertainment Weekly - The Walking Dead: Danai Gurira discusses Michonnes past and THAT scene
- AMCs The Walking Dead Blog - Q&A Danai Gurira (Michonne)
Talking Deads Inside The Dead:
- Andrew Lincoln says this episode is very much about a boy growing up. And that working with Chandler was like watching an actor become a leading man.
- Director Greg Nicotero was inspired to shoot [scenes with Carl] like a Western. Its a one road town and Carl is the new sheriff.
- While shooting, Chandler Riggs had to constantly eat from the 112-ounce can of pudding. Although it was one of his favorite scenes, he admitted that by the end he absolutely hated pudding.
PLEASE SPOILER TAG ALL PREVIEW/PROMO AND GRAPHIC NOVEL DISCUSSION. REVIEW THE OP FOR COMPLETE THREAD RULES ON SPOILERS.
PetriP-TNT
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All I could think of all ep was
Walking Dead is a Dolan comic: sorta funny years ago but should have stopped by then
but can't stop watching now
Walking Dead is a Dolan comic: sorta funny years ago but should have stopped by then
but can't stop watching now
MisterHero
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Hopefully Rick rested up. I don't think he's slept since Lori died
anarckitty
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Aside from Carl's acting, I really enjoyed the episode. It was a lot like the comics.
I don't know why, but I'm still hoping Judith is alive.
Speculations and possible comic type spoilers:
A girl can dream.
I don't know why, but I'm still hoping Judith is alive.
Speculations and possible comic type spoilers:
If she isn't alive, I'm assuming one of the girls that meet up with Tyreese will confirm to the audience that she was killed. That's really the only way I can see them confirming a baby's death on a tv show. I'm also hoping that psycho girl actually killed Tyreese's woman, and Carol is just covering for her. Psycho girl needs to murder her sister after they meet back up with Rick, Coral, and Michonne. That way Carl can become a badass and get rid of the psycho on the down low.
A girl can dream.
I liked this episode. I used to hate Carl but I'm okay with him now. Michonne's dream helped fill in the blanks about her past life and add some depth to the character. She found herself at a crossroads. Go back to being alone walking along side the undead or try to find her friends and rejoin the living. The focus on smaller groups and the outside world is something I've been hoping for anyway.
Banjo-Kazooie
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How did you gather that from anything? For all we know he was rummaging through the house himself and died a week before Rick and Carl got there of the flu or something.
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
Yay/nay on this being the new banner for the OT?
;P
yay Cawurl
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Did we watch the same episode? Because that storyline was pretty clear. As in crystal.
AuthenticM
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I think he is saying that the reason for the breakdown happening now is not explained. That might not be cristal clear, but I think it happened because she just lost her second "family", triggering unpleasant memories of her past when she lost her first.
I think it was pretty clear that, after losing the prison and her group, she defaulted to her old ways (traveling alone, getting new "pets"). She seemed to be having inner turmoil, which was illustrated visually very obviously by her surrounding herself with zombies. That was going to be her life, her alone with no one but zombies. Her massacring them was her making a decision to NOT do that again. She was choosing people instead of zombies. Instead of going it alone she continued to follow and found Rick and Carl. Companionship. It was a pretty big character moment and made perfect sense to me.
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