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[213372bu]

it is kind of weird people mentioning number of countries in a racing game...

Well one thing is the "DriveClub Tour" will cycle through the content.

Plus edition only gets to play one country. At the same time, we aren't able to get full single-player content because our lack of tracks and cars.

So the question is raised, at least for me, are we only getting 20% of the single-player content, despite the fact that we were promised a full single-player at E3. If so, I refuse to support the developers at all in a full purchase, especially since they haven't come forward and expressed so publicly.

Thus entire thread feels strangely familiar. It feels like we did this exact same thing not even a couple of months ago... Killzone Resolution. We're still discussing semantics but the only difference is that it's about content instead of resolution. I think this stopped being about the game about 2 pages ago and now we're discussing PR. I don't miss the other half of the Driveclub discussion though.

I'm asking genuine questions about the game though, if we're only attaining 20% of the countries, and assuming each country has the same number of tracks, are we missing out 80% of the campaign? I'm not really liking how they are handling this, and I might cancel my pre-order of the game if so.

 

[Synth]

Few doesn't refer to a percentage or shares. Few is a magnitude, commonly its 2-4. Given the small totals involved, a few can be a large percentage, but it's still a few. In any case, it's people using semantics to justify faux outrage. PEACE.

Using it this way hardly helps in this case does it really? How limited did you think the content was going to be in the first place to allow "a few" as a magnitude to mean the majority?

 

[Cudder]

And for Resogun. Also, if I just bought it on disc how am I going to play multiplayer? Oh yeah, sign up for PS+... So yeah, I signed up for PS+ expecting access to Drive Club soon. Everyone makes mistakes.

Were you always planning on buying the disc? Because your first post just made it seem like you only wanted the PS+ edition, that's all.

 

[Goon Boon]

you ARE getting the full offline and online game...just minus tracks and cars...the COMPANY did not go back on their word...Evolution NEVER ONCE released a statement saying how many cars/tracks we were getting....PERIOD...there was no word to go back on

If it's the full version, why are the dev's putting up up to $60 of day 1 dlc for a full game?

You never answered - what is the difference in amount of content from a demo vs a full game?

 

[LiquidMetal14]

i would be DISAPPOINTED if i INVESTED money into their company and they turned around and sold out...oh, wait you mean someone can only call out a company if you agree??



you ARE getting the full offline and online game...just minus tracks and cars...the COMPANY did not go back on their word...Evolution NEVER ONCE released a statement saying how many cars/tracks we were getting....PERIOD...there was no word to go back on

That's why I said we have this ridiculous arbitrary notation based on wording from last year. Bearing in mind this is a free version for Plus members which will be discounted to the full content version. Do these things just slip peoples minds or are we really at this point in the post count over semantics and interpretations of the word few? This is turning into the Druckmann thread which was really hard to read.

 

[StuBurns]

you ARE getting the full offline and online game...just minus tracks and cars...the COMPANY did not go back on their word...Evolution NEVER ONCE released a statement saying how many cars/tracks we were getting....PERIOD...there was no word to go back on

Nope, not true.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Nope, not true.

Wait, we do have a hard number of cars and tracks from last year? Because let's face it, this is the whole "big" deal we are discussing here. And these things are always subject to change.

Eh...no we are not. You can only play part of the single player mode.

It definitely puts it in line of a demo but certainly the content and features still put it above that. If this is a demo then what was a game like MGS Ground Zeroes which charged 30 for the PS4/XB versions?

 

[gogogow]

you ARE getting the full offline and online game...just minus tracks and cars...the COMPANY did not go back on their word...Evolution NEVER ONCE released a statement saying how many cars/tracks we were getting....PERIOD...there was no word to go back on

Eh...no we are not. You can only play part of the single player mode.

 

[boredandlazy]

Wait, we do have a hard number of cars and tracks from last year? Because let's face it, this is the whole "big" deal we are discussing here. And these things are always subject to change.

Nope. But we had a statement saying that there would be enough content to earn the platinum trophy, which turns out to be completely false.

 

[StuBurns]

Wait, we do have a hard number of cars and tracks from last year? Because let's face it, this is the whole "big" deal we are discussing here. And these things are always subject to change.

No, I know they've confirmed that we don't have the full single player.

The cars/tracks is one thing, but I think the 'campaign' is a far bigger deal.

Five tracks and ten cars is about what MS1 featured, a full game, but a gimped campaign is not.

 

[Metfanant]

If it's the full version, why are the dev's putting up up to $60 of day 1 dlc for a full game?

You never answered - what is the difference in amount of content from a demo vs a full game?

its the full experience...both offline and online..you get all of the game modes...can unlock trophies etc...you DONT have all of the cars and tracks...so obviously there will be some things you cant do...

this would have been true back in November as well...if you assumed otherwise you need help...

That's why I said we have this ridiculous arbitrary notation based on wording from last year. Bearing in mind this is a free version for Plus members which will be discounted to the full content version. Do these things just slip peoples minds or are we really at this point in the post count over semantics and interpretations of the word few? This is turning into the Druckmann thread which was really hard to read.

absolutely correct

Nope, not true.

actually it is...can you show me any official press releases to prove me wrong?...and GAF posts dont count as official developer communications

Eh...no we are not. You can only play part of the single player mode.

all of the modes are there...obviously if there is a "Ferrari vs Audi" race and there are no Ferrari's included in the PS+ version you cant complete that race...but like i said...it would have been that way back in November as well...

 

[Papercuts]

Nope. But we had a statement saying that there would be enough content to earn the platinum trophy, which turns out to be completely false.

I don't think they've clarified on the platinum trophy today unless I missed it.

 

[Synth]

i would be DISAPPOINTED if i INVESTED money into their company and they turned around and sold out...oh, wait you mean someone can only call out a company if you agree??



you ARE getting the full offline and online game...just minus tracks and cars...the COMPANY did not go back on their word...Evolution NEVER ONCE released a statement saying how many cars/tracks we were getting....PERIOD...there was no word to go back on



actually i have a metric shit ton of interest in this game...my only concern about it is that i dont get involved with online racing in Forza or GT so im concerned about how i will like the social focus...so i absolutely cant wait to try out the PS+ version to see how much i like it...

I don't get it. Are suggesting that Oculus should have taken the money from the Kickstarter (a decent amount of which was used to provide the reward tiers), and then attempt to make it to market off just that? Because it's sounding like you're forbidding them from make any future deals to secure more funding, as if the Kickstarter backers essentially own the company now. It was always clear that people were backing a prototype and that anything after that would have nothing to do with their Kickstarter rewards.

And according to what StuBurns posted earlier, you don't actually get the full singleplayer... so what you're sayng isn't true.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

No, I know they've confirmed that we don't have the full single player.

The cars/tracks is one thing, but I think the 'campaign' is a far bigger deal.

Wait, I'm confused, the amount of content is ok now but the features is a huge deal? I know things were said in the state the game was about a year ago but why does that speak or set some arbitrary expectations when they've spent the extra time adding more content and features?

Being careful to word that just right since this is becoming too repetitive and hardly a negative if you read this at face value.

Nope. But we had a statement saying that there would be enough content to earn the platinum trophy, which turns out to be completely false.

That's one thing to be upset about but are we really going to lose sleep considering it's free? The thing is, I'm sure the extra year has absolutely added to the budget. We're still getting the free Plus version with a discount on the full version. I don't see this as a wrong but damn if I'm hardly reading any praise for that.

 

[vinnygambini]

I hope this car is included in the PS+ edition:

 

[Metfanant]

I don't get it. Are suggesting that Oculus should have taken the money from the Kickstarter (a decent amount of which was used to provide the reward tiers), and then attempt to make it to market off just that? Because it's sounding like you're forbidding them from make any future deals to secure more funding, as if the Kickstarter backers essentially own the company now. It was always clear that people were backing a prototype and that anything after that would have nothing to do with their Kickstarter rewards.

so now youre beginning to understand the concept of outrageous, exaggerated comparisons and analogies...now look in the mirror...

Nope. But we had a statement saying that there would be enough content to earn the platinum trophy, which turns out to be completely false.

No...we had a GAF POST by a guy who was not in charge of the game...

 

[Y2Kev]

I'm not sure it would ever be possible to complete the singleplayer with a pared back number of tracks if the singleplayer used all the tracks during the "campaign" (and why wouldn't it?). Kinda a weird claim when you think about it.

 

[matty2Dfraud]

Were you always planning on buying the disc? Because your first post just made it seem like you only wanted the PS+ edition, that's all.

Not sure what this has to do with anything. Yeah, I wanted the PS+ version they promised with the option to upgrade. When did I imply I was going to buy it on disc?

 

[Slashlen]

I don't think they've clarified on the platinum trophy today unless I missed it.

They've said you can't complete the offline mode due to missing tracks. Some believe that this makes a platinum impossible because what kind of demo would let you get a plat without finishing the offline mode?

We know Sony lied about this demo already, we just don't know if it applies to the plat.

 

[boredandlazy]

I don't think they've clarified on the platinum trophy today unless I missed it.

Ok that's true. I misinterpreted the inability to complete the single player mode with obtaining the platinum trophy.
Either way even if it is obtainable, it must be extremely simplistic.

 

[Goon Boon]

its the full experience...both offline and online..you get all of the game modes...can unlock trophies etc...you DONT have all of the cars and tracks...so obviously there will be some things you cant do...

this would have been true back in November as well...if you assumed otherwise you need help...

I should assume that they lied about the amount of content? Or just that they're too incompetent to understand the meaning of few? Good to know you have as little faith in Evolution as I do at this point.

 

[Pimpwerx]

Drive-by shit posting. The only reason to use "a few" in the context by your definition of few is to inflate the perceived amount of content in the Driveclub PS+ Demo. PEACE.

PR fluff is news now? Go back and read the E3 thread. We all knew it would be pared down enough to convince us to upgrade. Few is a number given out because they couldn't give specifics. The game has been delayed a year and management changed. You think they just wanted to pull to wool over jaded gamers' eyes? They wouldn't know how many final cars or tracks the game would have if it was in so much turmoil, so why should they know the amount of the lite version? Drive by shit posting? That comment typifies your warped perception of this situation. You expected too much and don't understand the business of making a game enough to know that there have to be lots of desirable content excluded. How else will they get us to buy the full game? What...do you really think your $50 per year will fund AAA releases when every other day there's a thread about the peril facing the industry? Yeah...keep crying about semantics while ignoring the obvious. PEACE.

 

[StuBurns]

actually it is...can you show me any official press releases to prove me wrong?...and GAF posts dont count as official developer communications

If you don't count the game director responding on PlayStation's official blog as a legit source, you're either an idiot or a troll, either way, not worth addressing further.

 

[213372bu]

Asking questions on whether or not I'm getting 20% of the single-player experience as the "Drive Club Tour" in the PS Plus version?

Look, I was going to genuinely buy this game, but I don't support developers who are going to silently cut back on 80% of my experience, assuming each country has the same tracks and unlockable cars in each, without publically saying anything outside of an interview like this.

"But it's a multi-million project, you must understand!" I do but I don't support it when a company takes out 80% of what they promised me and isn't even going to go out and publicly announce so, saying something under your breath simply doesn't count for me.

"There is a lot of content here so you must be some Faux outrager right?" Umm, no but thanks for the accusations! I want to buy a game but I believe in not supporting something if they're going to only give me 20% of what was promised because they want to turn a profit. Don't make promises you can't keep.

That said, I was going to buy the game but the actuality of it occuring depends on how the developers deal with the situation.

 

[Y2Kev]

I should assume that the they lied about the amount of content? Good to know you have as little faith in Evolution as I do at this point.

I'm still not sure on the ultimate end here. What kind of reparation would make this OK for you?

 

[Slashlen]

I should assume that they lied about the amount of content? Or just that they're too incompetent to understand the meaning of few? Good to know you have as little faith in Evolution as I do at this point.

We should remember this when E3 comes. We cannot trust anything Sony says!

 

[Vire]

I'm not sure it would ever be possible to complete the singleplayer with a pared back number of tracks if the singleplayer used all the tracks during the "campaign" (and why wouldn't it?). Kinda a weird claim when you think about it.

Im guessing people assumed that there would be another campaign that would be tailor fit to the PS Plus version using the exclusive tracks instead of a lazily truncated form of the full game that doesn't allow for completion.

 

[gogogow]

I'm not sure it would ever be possible to complete the singleplayer with a pared back number of tracks if the singleplayer used all the tracks during the "campaign" (and why wouldn't it?). Kinda a weird claim when you think about it.

You can't. Depends how much was cut for the PS+ edition. A "few". In the OP:

Simply because the PlayStation Plus Edition doesn’t include all of the cars and tracks that you’ll need to complete DRIVECLUB Tour.

 

[Synth]

If this is a demo then what was a game like MGS Ground Zeroes which charged 30 for the PS4/XB versions?

An extremely short game.

Can you take The Phantom Pain, throw a load of it away and end up with exactly Ground Zeroes? Nope. So not a Phantom Pain demo.

Can you take Dead Rising 2 and throw away a load of content to end up with exactly Case Zero? Nope. So not a Dead Rising 2 demo.

Can you take Driveclub retail, throw a load of the content away and end up with exactly Driveclub PS+ Edition? Yes, you can. Therefore Driveclub PS+ is a demo version of Driveclub retail.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

I should assume that they lied about the amount of content? Or just that they're too incompetent to understand the meaning of few? Good to know you have as little faith in Evolution as I do at this point.

Based on what though? Outside of some tricky interpretation of words said from last year I see no reason to lack faith in Evolution. I would call you or anyone out on this if this was said in a discussion in person. Let's be real about how we're sounding here. If Motorstorm doesn't build up some pedigree then I don't know what else to say.

An extremely short game.

Can you take The Phantom Pain, throw a load of it away and end up with exactly Ground Zeroes? Nope. So not a Phantom Pain demo.

Can you take Dead Rising 2 and throw away a load of content to end up with exactly Case Zero? Nope. So not a Dead Rising 2 demo.

Can you take Driveclub retail, throw a load of the content away and end up with exactly Driveclub PS+ Edition? Yes, you can. Therefore Driveclub PS+ is a demo version of Driveclub retail.

I agree. I don't know if you were attempting to tell me off but yeah, it's basically a demo but it surely packs a bigger punch for the free Plus offering. Now MGS GZ is a damn shame and fair ground here in this thread but it sold and sold well given it's demo status.

 

[Y2Kev]

You can't. In the OP:

No, I'm talking about last year when they said you'd be able to get the platinum trophy or whatever. Or that it had the full SP with just pared back things.

 

[Uno Venova]

So what are you guys going to do now that you didn't get the demo you wanted.

 

[Lunzio]

I'm all for consumer rights, but when people start arguing number of tracks and cars for content that was always promised to be a "lite" version of the game, I think priorities are a bit out of line...

So what are you guys going to do now that you didn't get the demo you wanted.

I like the way you think.

 

[213372bu]

I hope this car is included in the PS+ edition:

Unprecedented partnership.

Spoiler

Oh god please.

I'm not sure it would ever be possible to complete the singleplayer with a pared back number of tracks if the singleplayer used all the tracks during the "campaign" (and why wouldn't it?). Kinda a weird claim when you think about it.

Exactly my point. Are we also only getting 20% of the story, content, and cars all in the same deal? Because according to the devs we are not able to finish the "DriveClub Tour" because we lack the content. It's really weird how they said it, and I hope they do clarify.

No, I'm talking about last year when they said you'd be able to get the platinum trophy or whatever. Or that it had the full SP with just pared back things.

I remember them saying we would get the full SP experience, so can you platinum this game without having to beat the SP and unlock all the cars and tracks?

Unless Trophies counts it as a separate game.

 

[BurnOutBrighter]

So what are you guys going to do now that you didn't get the demo you wanted.

They might end up... gasp... buying the game!

 

[PodcastFips]

I'm not sure it would ever be possible to complete the singleplayer with a pared back number of tracks if the singleplayer used all the tracks during the "campaign" (and why wouldn't it?). Kinda a weird claim when you think about it.

It also has to do with wording. You can complete the PS+ edition campaign which is one championship in one area, but not the retail edition campaign which includes 5 championships. Maybe think of it as regular DLC, my English does not let me explain it any better at this time of the night.

Just a smaller version of a game but feature complete.

Also, this is just an example because we don't have any clue how this "Driveclub Tour" even works if I'm not mistaken.

 

[boredandlazy]

That's one thing to be upset about but are we really going to lose sleep considering it's free? The thing is, I'm sure the extra year has absolutely added to the budget. We're still getting the free Plus version with a discount on the full version. I don't see this as a wrong but damn if I'm hardly reading any praise for that.

I'm not losing sleep over this at all. It's just that there's an obvious disconnect between the content that was implied, and the content we're actually getting.
Saying "but we're still getting this and we should just be thankful for it" is completely dismissive of the actual debate.

 

[daman824]

Watch this be the free game in October. That would piss me off.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Can't believe people are crying about this.

DriveClub is one of the few and only AAA arcade racers we're getting this gen with insane production values and features.

That we're even getting as much as they're offering is a great value, and effectively you're going to be able to purchase the entire game for a discounted price if you're a PS+ member anyway.

They haven't revealed the price, but if it's 30-40 bucks for the upgrade, that's a great deal...and it looks like Sony is giving them the development time to make the game great.

 

[StuBurns]

Wait, I'm confused, the amount of content is ok now but the features is a huge deal? I know things were said in the state the game was about a year ago but why does that speak or set some arbitrary expectations when they've spent the extra time adding more content and features?

Being careful to word that just right since this is becoming too repetitive and hardly a negative if you read this at face value.

I can't speak for anyone but myself, personally a 'complete' campaign with only five tracks and ten cars seems like a real game. A fifth of a campaign could have a hundred cars and it would still be more of a demo experience I think.

The progression is the game really, the amount of content and cars in that progression is pretty flexible to me.

 

[Metfanant]

Not sure what this has to do with anything. Yeah, I wanted the PS+ version they promised with the option to upgrade. When did I imply I was going to buy it on disc?

THEY didnt promise anything...a single employee made a post on GAF...and you still have the PS+ version with the option to upgrade...

They've said you can't complete the offline mode due to missing tracks. Some believe that this makes a platinum impossible because what kind of demo would let you get a plat without finishing the offline mode?

We know Sony lied about this demo already, we just don't know if it applies to the plat.

OF COURSE YOU CANT COMPLETE THE SINGLE PLAYER GAME WITHOUT ALL OF THE TRACKS!!! WTF PEOPLE!!??

Sony didnt lie about SHIT!...where does this stuff come from!?

I should assume that they lied about the amount of content? Or just that they're too incompetent to understand the meaning of few? Good to know you have as little faith in Evolution as I do at this point.

once again...youre taking the words of one single employee, from a single GAF post and twisting them to be some sort of official communication from the developer or publisher...which is flawed logic at best...

and you still have no context for what the "few" meant...

if we are getting 10 cars in the PS+ version...and it originally had 15...id say that is missing "a few" we dont know how many cars there were back in November...

 

[Loudninja]

Watch this be the free game in October. That would piss me off.

Not going to happen at all.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

No, I'm talking about last year when they said you'd be able to get the platinum trophy or whatever. Or that it had the full SP with just pared back things.

That's something I hope Rushy will address but in the grand scheme of things I sure do hope people aren't hinging their time with this game and were anticipating it based off the Plus version as if people were excited then I sure as hell hope they were excited enough to buy in for the full content of the upgrade/retail version and not basing their level of enjoyment on a cut down version with or without a Platinum trophy.

And if some are actually hinging or clinging to the Platinum trophy thing then this game has no chance if that's all it takes to dismiss this.

I can't speak for anyone but myself, personally a 'complete' campaign with only five tracks and ten cars seems like a real game. A fifth of a campaign could have a hundred cars and it would still be more of a demo experience I think.

The progression is the game really, the amount of content and cars in that progression is pretty flexible to me.

Good points. As I said, maybe Rushy can clarify but I sure as hell hope this faux outrage isn't the reason people were hinging their potential purchase on. This feels perfect for a bite sized chunk of the game and if people enjoy that then by all means, get the discounted full version.

 

[vinnygambini]

They might end up... gasp... buying the game!

Horrified, they will trade-in their PS4 for a Wii U.

Iwata: *laughs*

 

[Mifune]

Asking questions on whether or not I'm getting 20% of the single-player experience as the "Drive Club Tour" in the PS Plus version?

Look, I was going to genuinely buy this game, but I don't support developers who are going to silently cut back on 80% of my experience, assuming each country has the same tracks and unlockable cars in each, without publically saying anything outside of an interview like this.
.

The content is being cut from the trial version, not the one you were going to buy. I don't see why this should affect your purchase decision unless you feel insulted by the misleading statements from the devs.

 

[Slashlen]

Horrified, they will trade-in their PS4 for a Wii U.

Iwata: *laughs*

Should get an Xbox. At least they didn't have to pay for their KI demo.

 

[Metfanant]

If you don't count the game director responding on PlayStation's official blog as a legit source, you're either an idiot or a troll, either way, not worth addressing further.

like ive said...the whole experience is there...but obviously with less tracks/cars there are things you cant do

 

[Pimpwerx]

Using it this way hardly helps in this case does it really? How limited did you think the content was going to be in the first place to allow "a few" as a magnitude to mean the majority?

Didn't expect more than what we're getting. I hadn't figured on a number since I never got a number from the dev. The only thing I new was I'd have to buy the full game because the PS+ version was certain to be missing awesome cars AND tracks. PS+ isn't a game rental service like GameFly. Sony makes those games unplayable when the account closes for a reason. You're paying for the service, and some games are thrown in to make it more attractive. Like season tickets often come with exclusive fan events, but you're really paying for the seats, no matter how much you like the other stuff. PEACE.

 

[Goon Boon]

PR fluff is news now? Go back and read the E3 thread. We all knew it would be pared down enough to convince us to upgrade. Few is a number given out because they couldn't give specifics. The game has been delayed a year and management changed. You think they just wanted to pull to wool over jaded gamers' eyes? They wouldn't know how many final cars or tracks the game would have if it was in so much turmoil, so why should they know the amount of the lite version? Drive by shit posting? That comment typifies your warped perception of this situation. You expected too much and don't understand the business of making a game enough to know that there have to be lots of desirable content excluded. How else will they get us to buy the full game? What...do you really think your $50 per year will fund AAA releases when every other day there's a thread about the peril facing the industry? Yeah...keep crying about semantics while ignoring the obvious. PEACE.

PR fluff coming from the actual developer is news, yeah. For instance, the Konami web-guy didn't lie about the amount of content in Ground Zeroes, he ignored it because lying to your customers is horse shit. The way they lied about the amount of content is the similar to how they claimed 30fps was their intention all along. If that was true, they would have been shouting 30fps is the best shit, no need to be worried. You seem to be in a battered spouse type relationship with game devs. If the devs lie, just don't buy.

Hey look, you're calling me poor because I don't want to buy shit that the dev's lied about. You're already getting half a game with the framerate, but then they steal a slot from an actual game on PS+. But you seem to have a nerve struck implying your shit buying tactics are anything but developer stockholm syndrome. You need to quit gagging on Evolution's shit, you're stinking up the thread. PEACE.

 

[orochi91]

I'm not losing sleep over this at all. It's just that there's an obvious disconnect between the content that was implied, and the content we're actually getting.
Saying "but we're still getting this and we should just be thankful for it" is completely dismissive of the actual debate.

I've mentioned this before but given the delay it's possible plans changed, hence the cut down content for the PS+ version. They probably did not want the Plus version undercutting
the full retail version.

Perhaps Rushy can chime in.