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PS+ version of Driveclub will have 5 tracks (1 country) and 10 cars.
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Souldestroyer Reborn
Banned
Pretty much this.
Some of you guys are genuinely fucking insane if you thought you were getting a multi million £/$ budget game for absolutely free or for what 1£/$ p/m it works out as on too of everything else with PS+.
The fact that we're getting what we're getting with no content apart from tracks & cars held back for not a penny more than the + subscription is good enough for me when there was no solid concrete definition of what we were getting.
If they said we were getting X cars, X tracks, X countries and then went back on that, then fair enough. However they said "slightly" and "a few" all of which is open to interpretation, which in the case of some people, it was interpreted incorrectly or below whatever fantasy they had in their heads.
PachinkoChampBruh
Member
welp! looks like they should've saved the driveclub news for e3, lol.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Yeah, ok, I'm slightly less piqued by some of the comments now ... There are still some though. I think I've got an idea what's happened here: Sony needed a launch title for PS4 (at that point they wouldn't know how well the PS4 would sell), so they decided to release a cut down version of Driveclub, a game that wouldn't be 'entirely' finished by launch. They also knew there wouldn't be a library of older games for PS+ so they decided to add Driveclub to PS+ and add content as time went on. This way they would have had a AAA titles for PS+. After the PS4 for a success and clearly sold simply on hype, they decided to delay the game and add in all the content they were going to add AFTER it released on PS+. They were then left with a difficult choice: Do they remove it from PS+ entirely or do they still put it on PS+ and decide which content to remove? I think they went with the latter because it would upset more people if it was removed.
That to me sounds like the likely scenario.
boredandlazy
Member
Interpreted? Did you really?
I mean E3 was almost a year ago, and I still knew that this game will be a trial+locked contents until upgrade.
There is no way that statement somehow got twisted as a full released game for PS+ after a year.
Read the thread becoming coming to your delusional conclusions. They promised that wilth PS plus edition you'll be able to beat the game, which you can't now. It's Sony who has backtracked.
Souldestroyer Reborn
Banned
Interpretation and assumption is why so many people are dissapointed.
If you interpreted what was said as receiving the full game, then that's your fault, no-one else's.
The whole argument being made about 40 of 50 bucks not being "a few" also doesn't make sense. For that outcome the only way that argument would work would be by looking at tracks or countries or cars in isolation in comparison to the full amount. That however wouldn't work in this case as they are neglecting to count the fact that every mode, etc is also available which holds value as 'content'.
Souldestroyer Reborn
Banned
No they didn't. They didn't promise anything.
They said you could earn the Platinum Trophy. Nothing more, nothing less.
But you can't do it now.
Where in the world does "slightly less" and "missing a few tracks and cars" means the game, minus 80% of content. It is you who is living in some fantasy land.
Sounds about right.
TLDR; it's not that the PS+ version is smaller than it was going to be in Nov 2013, it's that the full game launching in Oct 2014 is much larger than it was otherwise going to be at initial launch.
Either way, we get a pretty beefy demo to try for free (I consider PS+ free... it practically is!) and if it's not your cup of tea then don't pay any more for it. I think the fact they are willing to put it out to such a large (and important) section of their fanbase (PS+ members) means they must have confidence in it's ability to impress.
And you're living in super self-entitled land (tm). What if they cancelled driveclub tomorrow and instead gave you a side scrolling platform game from the 80s as your monthly PS4 game... would your world cease to exist? Would you cancel your pre-order? Would you rage quit on the PS4? I doubt it.
PS+ is fine as it is. Do I enjoy every game that has come out for it? No (imo mercenary kings and outlast were meh). But I found Don't Starve and Resogun to be great.
Or maybe the goal was to contain the backlash over PS4 online play by promoting DC PS+ edition as almost complete game but plans changed considering the success of the system?
They are not in a position to do that.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
The first sentence of the OP...
they said a 'few'. Having only 1 out of at least 5 countries isn't 'a few'. Go ask your family will they apply the phrase 'slightly' scaled down to an item with more than 50% of the content removed.
You don't normally get full big games on day one though, you usually are waiting a year or so. I like this approach as it lets people try the game out before deciding whether to spend some money to get more content. And I expect it is good for Sony, as a game like is needs lots of people playing to keep the online competition rich, and the free PS+ users playing will bring that.
In some ways I'd prefer more 'PS+ editition' releases rather than waiting a year for the full game.
boredandlazy
Member
Who's assuming now? Where did I say I expected the full game?
Anyway, as far as I'm concerned it's a fairly simple debate.
I don't see why it's so crazy to think that 'a few missing cars/tracks' is not equivalent to 80% of the cars/tracks.
I don't see why it's so crazy to think that when someone says you can still earn the platinum trophy, you'll need more than 20% of the cars/tracks to do so.
Those statements above seem completely at odds with what we were led to believe.
It's not complicated. Yet for some reason it's my fault for coming to those rather obvious conclusions.
The people who are complicating the matter by throwing in strawman arguments about the cost and value of PS+ etc. are completely missing the point(at least what my point is). You then have people arbitrarily throwing around terms like 'butthurt', 'entitled' and 'fucking insane' just to deflect the conversation because for the most part they have no real counterpoint.
The 'things change' counterpoint is also sort of silly, since it sort of confirms the change to the philosophy of the PS+ version in the first place.
I'm not demanding Evolution studios 'Fix this' or anything like that, as that would be entitled. But at the same time I'm just curious as to what led us to this point.
Storm Chamber
Banned
Am I crazy or has there not been a single gameplay video released of this game that wasn't a time trial?
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
Well luckily I'll actually be buying the game and bypassing all of this ridiculous entitlement drama.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Huh, the earlier claim that you could earn an platinum (which has now seemingly changed?) is pretty damning.
I'm personally happy with the content on offer (especially if the Plus discount is still happening), but I can see why some people are angry over being misled by earlier comments to what we are now confirmed to be getting.
I don't see any reason to label someone who is upset/angry over this change as 'fucking insane' or 'butthurt'. The anger seems pretty justified, especially when you factor in the delay and the way they've handled the news about the changes to the Plus version.
I'm personally happy with the content on offer (especially if the Plus discount is still happening), but I can see why some people are angry over being misled by earlier comments to what we are now confirmed to be getting.
I don't see any reason to label someone who is upset/angry over this change as 'fucking insane' or 'butthurt'. The anger seems pretty justified, especially when you factor in the delay and the way they've handled the news about the changes to the Plus version.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Hard to believe this could be the case when several Bizarre veterans are working on the game.
bigboss370
Member
Seems to me like its still the whole thing minus a few cars and tracks. This isn't like a demo at all. A demo would have max 2 vehicles, 1 track, and one mode to try. PS+ version features far more than that.
Also consider the PS+ content in comparison to what they were gonna release at launch is now a smaller percentage of the full game simply because they've had time to expand everything. This might be one of the reasons that platinum allegedly is not attainable with PS+ version anymore.
Also consider the PS+ content in comparison to what they were gonna release at launch is now a smaller percentage of the full game simply because they've had time to expand everything. This might be one of the reasons that platinum allegedly is not attainable with PS+ version anymore.
You don't know the trophy list.
Storm Chamber
Banned
I don't know how I can react to this without catching moderator heat so I'll just type this sentence and leave it at that.
Please do.
I want to know how you would define a non-quantitative word.
How much is too much, how little is too little, a few here and a few there?
So what does a vague statement like a few assets will be taken out mean to the average consumers?
Can you at least provide me your board overview on this subject?
SONY has not back tracked on shit...what RUSHY said like 6 months ago may not be the case...because ya know, things change....
Storm Chamber
Banned
To be completely honest? Two things...
1. My bet is that that some of the comments posted here on GAF were simply never approved to be made...if you take a step back...even if we were originally gonna get 4/5 "countries." Does it REALLY make any sense that you could platinum a racing game without ever driving on a fifth of the games tracks?...no it flat out doesn't...isn't the "gold every race" trophy/achievement pretty common place? How could you possibly do that without having access to EVERY track?
This is kinda where some people are frustrated with the complaining...to truly expect to get a complete game, or be able to "complete" the game without access to a good chunk of tracks is asinine in the first place...
2. It's just flat out fiscally irresponsible to offer a full fledged AAA retail title for free on release...especially considering how many more people are PS+ subscribers because it's required for online multiplayer...maybe Evolution wanted to make it that way...but it wouldn't shock me in the least if the guy signing the pay checks (Sony) said "waaaaiiiiitttt a second there buddy..."
SHADES
Member
Confirmed
Ok, corrected I stand! Thanks, missed that part about the single player.
No offense. But it seems all the people defending this seem to have just posted here instead of reading the actual thread.
"Stop complaining, we are getting the full game and are able to plat it like they said!"
NO we are getting 20% of the game and we are not able to plat it.
Nope. I'm glad they're getting this out of the way, as much as I'm looking forward to it. E3 needs to be about new games and reveals.
A bit off-topic, but did anyone else see all the indies Sony has announced over the last few days? And the Driveclub re-reveal... I'm really hoping it's because they want to clear up as much time as possible for their E3 conference. :/
anyone honestly expecting the PS+ version to be literally missing 'a few cars and tracks' has been living in la-la land for the past 6 months. Why would anyone upgrade from the PS+ to full game for the sake of a few cars/tracks? There needs to be a clear differential to encourage people to buy the game.
Man, this thread's kinda ugly. PS+ seems like crazy value for money to me, regardless of how much or how little they give away of Drive Club. That they've (possibly) scaled back the free content as development times (and presumably costs) have lengthened greatly doesn't surprise me at all, and it seems totally fair. It doesn't surprise me at all that you can't get a platinum trophy, bearing in mind you won't have access to the full game. Not sure why it was suggested that you could (and I know who suggested it initially).
I dunno man, this thread bums me out. Feels like one of those 'this is why we can't have nice things' moments.
I dunno man, this thread bums me out. Feels like one of those 'this is why we can't have nice things' moments.
It's not free. Get me a year of Plus if it's free.
Of course it's not free, just like Driveclub it's not free.
Want to plat it? Buy it like you bought a PS+ subscription.
Plus is already worth it. I bet most people in this thread already have it.
People in this thread keep saying it's free.
It does feel a bit like PS+ is launching on PS4 with less value than PS3, but a lot of that is down to it only just having launched, whereas on PS3 it was mid-gen so there was lots of back catalogue to draw upon.
I think there is a risk that Sony might settle into a 'one game per month' or lower priced titles for a while, and if their subscriber numbers stay high, they might not feel the need to improve upon that - a combination of lack of titles to offer, and PS+ being needed for multiplayer.
So I think PS+ might soften for the next 12-24 months generally. Still great value for me. Personally I subscribe for the games, and online is a bonus. If the games disappeared I'd stop subscribing and just play offline.
So you're agreeing that the Driveclub demo isn't free then?
BrainZEROX
Member
Yes. Never was, it has always been Drive Club PS+ Edition not Drive Club Free Edition. PS+ subscription was always part of the equation. As a PS+ subscriber you get a basic version of the game and you can upgrade to the full version for less than the retail version.
Chittagong
Gold Member
The way they marketed it certainly gave the *impression* that it was more substantial than a mere 20% of the content.
If they actually said 'You can Platinum the game' that would be pretty damning, it's pretty common understanding that Platinuming a racer requires a Gold medal on *every* track.
That said, in my heart I always knew that there was never going to be a future where you'd get Sony's biggest 1st party AAA game free with PS Plus at launch. It was not believable to begin with.
I can understand why people might have been duped though
If they actually said 'You can Platinum the game' that would be pretty damning, it's pretty common understanding that Platinuming a racer requires a Gold medal on *every* track.
That said, in my heart I always knew that there was never going to be a future where you'd get Sony's biggest 1st party AAA game free with PS Plus at launch. It was not believable to begin with.
I can understand why people might have been duped though
Yeah, kinda. As you say though, that's a side-effect of the smaller catalogue. Still, in the last 6 months (so ~£25), they've given away Resogun, Contrast, Don't Starve, Outlast, Dead Nation: Apocalypse Edition, and Mercenary Kings. That's in addition to any discounts on titles (can't remember if there have been any). It's not bad, it just looks worse in comparison to the PS3 and the Vita.
Yeah, I have the same thoughts. I think we'll see more 'cut-down' titles like Drive Club too.
As someone with a PS3, PS4, and a Vita, the service is bonkers for me. I don't even play online. If the games soften, I can see myself keeping the service just for cloud saves (and access to the titles I've already acquired).
same. It'll be an interesting experiment for Sony. For games with a heavy multiplayer/social component, giving away the core of the game can give the activity needed to drive sales and keep it active for a long time, plus encourage upsell to the full version. Kind of like a 'lite' ipad game with a pay to unlock option.