BruiserBear
Banned
This looks like Nintendo damaging the Zelda brand in the same way they did with Metroid Other M.
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Hyrule Warriors coming out on August 14 in Japan [Up: Famitsu Images]
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Why do I have to admit to anything? We're all going on theories based on what little bits information about this game's story exist currently.
Link grew up wanting to be the bestest sword fighter ever.
So Impa taught him to be the bestest sword fighter ever.
But Zelda didn't think he was the bestest sword fighter ever.
Then Shia kidnaps Zelda.
Then Link rescues Zelda and proves he is the bestest sword fighter ever.
The end!
So Impa taught him to be the bestest sword fighter ever.
But Zelda didn't think he was the bestest sword fighter ever.
Then Shia kidnaps Zelda.
Then Link rescues Zelda and proves he is the bestest sword fighter ever.
The end!
Beelzebufo
Banned
Because you're wrong? I suppose you don't have to, but you're arguing the same thing over and over, which is wrong.
StreetsAhead
Member
Did someone translate the details from the Famitsu article yet?
......... How?
And you're assuming a lot of things and running them as "fact", so I guess we're even!
This is a spin-off, I don't see how it could tarnish Zelda brand like Other M did.
Beelzebufo
Banned
No, but I'm not though. You're the one embarrassing yourself.
bobbychalkers
Member
You forgot to add in the part where he vanquishes the evil in Shia which then starts the love triangle rom-com
Nah, there is nothing wrong with a spin-off. It's neat for both Zelda and the Warriors series to have something fresh. Then of course there will still be Zelda U as planned for those who have no interest.
This sounds like the best video game story I've seen in a while.
powerdrain
Member
Just saw the Impa images in the scans. She looks awesome. So cool seeing her making an appearance, and they spruced up her SS design as well. Kinda disappointing if we don't see Princess Zelda playable though. She's playing the damsel role it would seem, which kinda sucks, but hopefully she'll be unlockable or something.
I've never really played LoZ, more observed it and enjoyed it from afar, but I'll probably pick this up since I love the characters, worlds, and items, and also I'm a big fan of the Warriors games anyway.
The August release doesn't surprise me since Koei usually do churn out these games fairly quick, but this time around they've had extra help, and have also had to adhere to representing Nintendo's IP and make it pop. It has been an age since we heard anything about it, but I expect a lot of details will be released at E3.
I was also surprised at the busty design of that witch character, but then I saw that Team Ninja were involved and it all made sense.
I've never really played LoZ, more observed it and enjoyed it from afar, but I'll probably pick this up since I love the characters, worlds, and items, and also I'm a big fan of the Warriors games anyway.
The August release doesn't surprise me since Koei usually do churn out these games fairly quick, but this time around they've had extra help, and have also had to adhere to representing Nintendo's IP and make it pop. It has been an age since we heard anything about it, but I expect a lot of details will be released at E3.
I was also surprised at the busty design of that witch character, but then I saw that Team Ninja were involved and it all made sense.
MisterGrey3000
Member
I don't get how you came to this conclusion.
Because different.
Mango The Magician
Banned
Huge SS spoilers, I didn't want to cover, sorry for those lurking, or who haven't played it.
The ancient civilization was said in the SS prologue to be guarded and watched over-by Hylia, which makes sense as the people would have seen a time of prosperity which would lead to technological advancement as seen in SS, there doesn't seem to be a lot of room for a enemy to invade or attack "Hyrule" during a time of prosperity. Hyila is said to have been appointed by the Golden Goddesses, a short time after they created Hyrule, I don't think this game is going to take place in a void of nothingness. The only point in which this would make sense taking place prior to SS is during the battle with Demise, but that sets a precedent that the story won't exactly have Zelda in it as Hylia later became the first Zelda, and Hylia is the one leading that very fight against Demise.
None of this is to mention that SS specifically makes it a point to set-up characters like Demise, Impa, and yes Link, to establish origins. Demise is the parallel of Hyila, he is all that is evil and said to be the reason that the Chosen Hero and the current Zelda almost always face adversity. Link in SS, is directly hinted at and damn near described as being the very first hero. Now I know there's a quote in SS where Zelda says Hylia gave her chosen hero a sailcloth in the past and that's why the people of Skyloft hold that tradition, but you have to realize that the entirety of SS is based around the theoretical idea of a Causality Loop, aka everything that happens feeds into itself to allow everything to happen. Hylia is Zelda, but Zelda doesn't realize this at the beginning of SS. Hylia does choose Link to save the world and be part of her plan. Link is a hero. Zelda does give Link a sailcloth. There are a minuscule amount of people in the past to carry the knowledge of Link and Zelda's actions on through word-of-mouth. Thus when Zelda says Hylia gave her chosen hero a sailcloth, she's unknowingly referring to herself and Link at that very moment. Also Impa, doesn't seem to know Link (or anyone who looks like him) prior to SS, and she dies at the end of SS, so it basically has to be a different Impa.
Finally the cover of this Famitsu, shows Link holding the Master Sword, the thing SS's story is based around the creation of. Thus by elimination if this were to take place prior to SS, this would then have to take place between the point in which Link leaves the complete Master Sword in the past, and the events of SS. Not only does this throw a huge monkey wrench in Hylia's plans throughout SS, there's absolutely no evidence to support the game taking place there. (man I love SS's Story, it's so good, unlike whatever the hell ALBW was smoking)
Yes, it is possible to just cop-out and ignore any connection to any other Zelda game and just say it takes place here or there, but at that point why even establish that it takes place to SS, and not just have it be it's own thing?
All in all, I severely doubt this is canon, but even if it is Skyloft's inclusion doesn't imply it has to be before SS, as Skyloft is still floating at the end of SS, and presumably the rest of the timeline. Finally finally
P), this is a crossover, that has already show to be pulling a lot of things from different Zelda games, it can still have it's own story but a doubt it will relate to the timeline or and other continuity in Zelda at all.
Haunted
Member
Other M was a mainline entry in the franchise (which turned out pretty well), this is clearly a spinoff - how shall I put this... aimed at a niche demographic that will probably lead to limited sales and the worst critical reception for a Zelda game since Link's Crossbow Training.
Really, now? We could take this to PMs, if you wish to discuss this further.
Damn, why do I laugh everytime I see this x)
Beelzebufo
Banned
There isn't anything to discuss, there never has been.
Hyrule Historia shows that there was a hero before SS Link, so he wasn't the first one. There was a Zelda unrelated to Hylia in old Hyrule. That doesn't contradict anything that's ever said in the games. All the additional stuff you said doesn't matter as it doesn't contradict this game at all.Huge SS spoilers, I didn't want to cover for those lurking, or who haven't played it.
The ancient civilization was said in the SS prologue to be guarded and watched over-by Hylia, which makes sense as the people would have seen a time of prosperity which would lead to technological advancement as seen in SS, there doesn't seem to be a lot of room for a enemy to invade or attack "Hyrule" during a time of prosperity. Hyila is said to have been appointed by the Golden Goddesses, a short time after they created Hyrule, I don't think this game is going to take place in a void of nothingness. The only point in which this would make sense taking place prior to SS is during the battle with Demise, but that sets a precedent that the story won't exactly have Zelda in it as Hylia later became the first Zelda, and Hylia is the one leading that very fight against Demise.
None of this is to mention that SS specifically makes it a point to set-up characters like Demise, Impa, and yes Link, to establish origins. Demise is the parallel of Hyila, he is all that is evil and said to be the reason that the Chosen Hero and the current Zelda almost always face adversity. Link in SS, is directly hinted at and damn near described as being the very first hero. Now I know there's a quote in SS where Zelda says Hylia gave her chosen hero a sailcloth in the past and that's why the people of Skyloft hold that tradition, but you have to realize that the entirety of SS is based around the theoretical idea of a Causality Loop, aka everything that happens feeds into itself to allow everything to happen. Hylia is Zelda, but Zelda doesn't realize this at the beginning of SS. Hylia does choose Link to save the world and be part of her plan. Link is a hero. Zelda does give Link a sailcloth. There are a minuscule amount of people in the past to carry the knowledge of Link and Zelda's actions on through word-of-mouth. Thus when Zelda says Hylia gave her chosen hero a sailcloth, she's unknowingly referring to herself and Link at that very moment. Also Impa, doesn't seem to know Link (or anyone who looks like him) prior to SS, and she dies at the end of SS, so it basically has to be a different Impa.
Finally the cover of this Famitsu, shows Link holding the Master Sword, the thing SS's story is based around the creation of. Thus by elimination if this were to take place prior to SS, this would then have to take place between the point in which Link leaves the complete Master Sword in the past, and the events of SS. Not only does this throw a huge monkey wrench in Hylia's plans throughout SS, there's absolutely no evidence to support the game taking place there. (man I love SS's Story, it's so good, unlike whatever the hell ALBW was smoking)
Yes, it is possible to just cop-out and ignore any connection to any other Zelda game and just say it takes place here or there, but at that point why even establish that it takes place to SS, and not just have it be it's own thing?
All in all, I severely doubt this is canon, but even if it is Skloftt's inclusion doesn't imply it has to be before SS, as Skyloft is still floating at the end of SS, and presumably the rest of the timeline. Finally finally
You're writing so much useless information. All you need to know is that there was a hero before SS in old Hyrule. The game never says "The ancient civilization was not called Hyrule" or that "The ancient civilization had no princess named Zelda". It's left intentionally vague. There's no contradiction.
Huge SS spoilers, I didn't want to cover, sorry for those lurking, or who haven't played it.
The ancient civilization was said in the SS prologue to be guarded and watched over-by Hylia, which makes sense as the people would have seen a time of prosperity which would lead to technological advancement as seen in SS, there doesn't seem to be a lot of room for a enemy to invade or attack "Hyrule" during a time of prosperity. Hyila is said to have been appointed by the Golden Goddesses, a short time after they created Hyrule, I don't think this game is going to take place in a void of nothingness. The only point in which this would make sense taking place prior to SS is during the battle with Demise, but that sets a precedent that the story won't exactly have Zelda in it as Hylia later became the first Zelda, and Hylia is the one leading that very fight against Demise.
None of this is to mention that SS specifically makes it a point to set-up characters like Demise, Impa, and yes Link, to establish origins. Demise is the parallel of Hyila, he is all that is evil and said to be the reason that the Chosen Hero and the current Zelda almost always face adversity. Link in SS, is directly hinted at and damn near described as being the very first hero. Now I know there's a quote in SS where Zelda says Hylia gave her chosen hero a sailcloth in the past and that's why the people of Skyloft hold that tradition, but you have to realize that the entirety of SS is based around the theoretical idea of a Causality Loop, aka everything that happens feeds into itself to allow everything to happen. Hylia is Zelda, but Zelda doesn't realize this at the beginning of SS. Hylia does choose Link to save the world and be part of her plan. Link is a hero. Zelda does give Link a sailcloth. There are a minuscule amount of people in the past to carry the knowledge of Link and Zelda's actions on through word-of-mouth. Thus when Zelda says Hylia gave her chosen hero a sailcloth, she's unknowingly referring to herself and Link at that very moment. Also Impa, doesn't seem to know Link (or anyone who looks like him) prior to SS, and she dies at the end of SS, so it basically has to be a different Impa.
Finally the cover of this Famitsu, shows Link holding the Master Sword, the thing SS's story is based around the creation of. Thus by elimination if this were to take place prior to SS, this would then have to take place between the point in which Link leaves the complete Master Sword in the past, and the events of SS. Not only does this throw a huge monkey wrench in Hylia's plans throughout SS, there's absolutely no evidence to support the game taking place there. (man I love SS's Story, it's so good, unlike whatever the hell ALBW was smoking)
Yes, it is possible to just cop-out and ignore any connection to any other Zelda game and just say it takes place here or there, but at that point why even establish that it takes place to SS, and not just have it be it's own thing?
All in all, I severely doubt this is canon, but even if it is Skyloft's inclusion doesn't imply it has to be before SS, as Skyloft is still floating at the end of SS, and presumably the rest of the timeline. Finally finally
Err, but I thought in the manga (which I dont know if its canon but it's from hyrule historia) Hylia gives the Master Sword to link?
Plus in SS, when you get the last Flame, Fi says something like "Yeah you fullly upgraded the sword, and it transformed in the Master sword" so she knew beforehand that the Master Sword was a thing, they didnt create it from the scratch, they recreated it and used the same name it had before
Edit: I actually thought the name Master Sword would come from a joke or something because you know, Fi always saying Master and then at some point she would call the Goddes Sword as "that's the Master's Sword" and then someone would forget the 's at some point in the timeline. It really surprised me when she named the sword as if it existed before.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Yeah, it seems like Mango was just unaware of the manga. There are no contradictions at all lol.
Mango The Magician
Banned
I'm deliberately trying not to be rude here, but really?
I already went over the qoute in SS, but are you referring to the manga? Cause if you are, you should know they're consider non-canon, the OOT one (by the same people) describes Volvagia as being Link's pet prior to Link having to fight him.
It contradicts SS placement, the creation of the world, and everything about Hylia.
Am I being trolled here? The presumed presence of the Master Sword prior to it's creation doesn't contradict the Master Sword's creation?
There are plenty of contradictions, SS is framed as a origin story for basically all of Zelda, establishing a lot of common elements. And again, if it's not going to follow any type of continuity, why even bother setting a place for it in the timeline? Honestly with what little info we have, and what little the game seems to care, it could easily be a long time after Twilight Princess or at the end of any of the timelines, just not before the origin story or any place in which it's pressence would contradict something like right before WW or before ALttP.
The mangas are not canon, seriously just glace at OOT's manga or FS
. Also again Causality Loop, Fi was designed by Hylia to know everything beforehand to help Link in the best way possible, she knew what the MS was before Link made it because it was part of Hylia's plan to forge the Master Sword and later have Link defeat Demise in both the past and present.Where do you guys see Impa?
Went through OP's link and quickly through the thread and found nothing. :/
You forgot to add in the part where he vanquishes the evil in Shia which then starts the love triangle rom-com
That could actually happen.
If there's a girl in a Zelda game, chances are she's in love with Link, even if she doesn't know it.
Doesn't he have the Master Sword, though? And isn't a HUGE part of Skyward Sword about the forging of the Master Sword and shit?
Impa is on a scan. Just google it.
You need to check in other websites, we cant post magazines scans (other than the cover and whatever is posted on the oficial page of the magazine)
Beelzebufo
Banned
The manga is canon, it's in Hyrule Historia. Link also resembles the Link in that manga.
Fi calls it the master sword, suggesting that it existed before.
It existed before.
The weird thing about that is that Fi says:
"Master, now that it has been tempered by the last of the sacred flames, your blade has finally revealed its true form. You now hold the Master Sword."
She knew about it, did it exist before?, that makes me think the developers left it open so they could do a prequel with the Master sword depowering at the end.
tali'zorah84
Member
If it existed before, couldn't this just be the story of Link losing/destroying the Master Sword, leading to the creation of the Goddess Sword for Skyward Sword?
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Do you play Legend of Zelda? Those things have existed since OOT. Though back then they were of the pointy variety. (Gerudo women and fairy's were just crazy..., what were they thinking)
Beelzebufo
Banned
Yup! I wouldn't be surprised. Fits in with the idea of multiple weapons as well.
GameXplain discussion with a shoutout to StreatsAhead!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIfUwuWSTqw&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIfUwuWSTqw&feature=youtu.be
Principate
Saint Titanfall
I do wonder why such things need to be consistent amongst so many games. Couldn't they just give him an entirely different weapon...
tali'zorah84
Member
Or maybe Link has to reverse forge it in some way to create the Goddess Sword to send up? We have seen a strange chunk of land going into the sky. Oh well, E3 is soon.
Beelzebufo
Banned
I mean, at least we know there are other options like the Fire Rod!
Yeah, I have no idea, but I would be surprised if something didn't happen to the Master Sword at some point in the game.
The manga depicts Link using the Master Sword to raise Skyloft, leading directly to Skyward Sword. So that doesn't really make sense.
As for the manga, besides the forging of the Master Sword, there's also the case of Demise not recognizing Link (despite fighting him in the manga) and in SS he even mentions that the humans he has seen before were all weak and afraid of him.
Mango The Magician
Banned
The pressence of the manga in Hyrule Historia does not indicate that it's canon. It was included there simply as a treat, since SS had just released and it was Zelda's 25 anniversary.
Also, Akira Himekawa, the person who has made all the mangas also made the OOT manga which directly contradicts a lot about the one of the bosses in OOT, Vovagia.
"In the Ocarina of Time manga, Volvagia is a dragon that Link bought as a young child. When he returned 7 years later, Volvagia was corrupted by Ganondorf, requiring Link, begrudgingly, to kill it. Volvagia is also able to talk in the manga, although only the word 'Link'. Before its dying breath, tears drop from Volvagia's eyes and it sadly utters "Li...nk...." Volvagia returns in Part 2 of the manga as an illusion (merely a disembodied head) in the Desert of Illusions who will try to lure Link off the path by calling to him disturbingly. This phantom Volvagia speaks a full sentence: "It hurts Link. It hurts."" - Courtesy of Zelda Wiki
That particular quote doesn't really imply a relation to the past, it could really go anyway. Personally I read as Fi just saying, "You've completed your destined duty, Master. You've upgraded your sword to it's destined form."
Beelzebufo
Banned
He doesn't recognize Link because they're different Link's lol. And we know that Skyloft raises in Hyrule Warriors, and Link has the Master Sword. Just like the manga. What doesn't make sense about it?
The Ocarina of Time manga wasn't in Hyrule Historia. They wouldn't add a noncanon story to a book entirely about Zelda canon.