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That's how I was seeing it as well.
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Seven Dead, Several Hospitalized in Isla Vista Mass Shooting
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That's how I was seeing it as well.
DoktorEvil
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I don't think we're there yet. What it does show is that there are people so insensitive to things like this that they're willing to waste their time, create a fake persona, and make stupid comments for no constructive reason. For all we know they could be from immature middle school kids.
I also don't think anything from this has been inspirational to bring about copycats. We can't just condone everyone who says things similar to him. We don't live in a Minority Report future where you can predict crime based on certain comments or actions before they happen.
Posting those comments just goes to show that there are nasty people that say nasty things because they can't be held responsible.
Absolutely some of the comments are fake. As "Emoman" doesn't appear to be a real last name, the horrifying YouTube screengrab Fiction posted is probably fake as well. But we can't know for sure. We really ought to take all threats of violence seriously. In modern America, all a person needs to become a mass murder is enough motivation. It's very possible that some people chose not to report Elliot Roger because they thought he was "just another troll".
*huuuuuugs
Miss.Selfdestruct
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Dude/Dudette, the PUA/MRA community is frightening and mental as fuck. Do a little digging. They're all putting him down now, but he was part of that lot once.
Well that's not unreasonable. I'd mainly like to avoid people posting a batch of youtube crap and going "faith in humanity -100 zomg these commenters are awful" and then we have a page of people agreeing that yes these commenters are indeed awful.
DoktorEvil
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He was the oddball in the insane asylum, if that metaphor makes any sense.
I've seen what's posted in those communities.
Hearing this man's speech is hard to stomach. My condolences, and I agree with him.Really annoying thread title, why isn't it written like a real news headline?
Probably one of the most powerful images on the whole gun debate I've seen. Such a waste of life.
link pls, like to hear what he had to say.
You can tell with 3/4 of them - it's the 1/4 where there's no giveaway that are worrying.
DoktorEvil
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You're not the only one. According to reports, the call was made by a social worker.
He/She had reported him as suicidal. He writes about the incident in his manifesto.
He would've been arrested had the cops do a detailed search. I want to know if cops were actually inside the apartment.
I haven't watched all of his videos but was there anything in them specifically to warrant a search? I know he talked about his 'day of retribution' in his 'manifesto' but were there any videos that implied he would do something violent?
Devolution
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Doesn't one of the videos mention the sorority massacre idea?
Not sure. The part in the 'manifesto' where he acknowledges cops coming and how close he was to getting caught is weird enough, but if they actually had a video suggesting he'd end up doing something like he did and didn't search his place that's pretty poor police work to say the least.
When I posted the video on twitter, people thought he is a troll. The whole thing is unreal, internet mysogony come to life.
Haven't watched the other videos, but the retribution one? Yeah.
Air Zombie Meat
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He didn't post that one until it was too late.
Can't believe I read his entire manifesto.
This delusional spoiled brat has the most self-entitled view of himself. He looks down upon those in 'economy' class while on planes, looks down on 'nerdy types' and those who have sex with 'ugly women.'
The most disgusting vile person if I ever seen one. I'm glad he's dead.
His character kinda reminds me of not only Patrick Bateman of American Psycho but also 'The Talented Mr. Ripley' character.
It's always someone else's fault for his plights, someone is always doing something wrong to him. What a deluded pos. It looks as though his family did as much as they could during his upbringing to give him a comfortable and emotionally stable life. Setting up playdates, having him being involved in family functions. The kid was just self-absorbed and didn't like the fact that he could 'easily acquire' a woman. He treats women as objects. No wonder why people got bad vibes from him.
This kid was not mentally disturbed in my book. He was a highly functioning person who was just plain evil. I guarantee you that the kid's family are probably relieved he is dead, but not relieved that he killed so many people, something that will haunt them for the rest of their lives.
This delusional spoiled brat has the most self-entitled view of himself. He looks down upon those in 'economy' class while on planes, looks down on 'nerdy types' and those who have sex with 'ugly women.'
The most disgusting vile person if I ever seen one. I'm glad he's dead.
His character kinda reminds me of not only Patrick Bateman of American Psycho but also 'The Talented Mr. Ripley' character.
It's always someone else's fault for his plights, someone is always doing something wrong to him. What a deluded pos. It looks as though his family did as much as they could during his upbringing to give him a comfortable and emotionally stable life. Setting up playdates, having him being involved in family functions. The kid was just self-absorbed and didn't like the fact that he could 'easily acquire' a woman. He treats women as objects. No wonder why people got bad vibes from him.
This kid was not mentally disturbed in my book. He was a highly functioning person who was just plain evil. I guarantee you that the kid's family are probably relieved he is dead, but not relieved that he killed so many people, something that will haunt them for the rest of their lives.
BobbyRobby
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http://vimeo.com/28466163
This is a short documentary on 'incels,' involuntary celibates.
They are attending a meet-up. It's interesting to see them interact socially. I wouldn't be surprised if these people ran in the same online circles as Elliot. There's a lot of overlap in the things they talk about.
I really think he had some form of autism. The dire tone he tries to affect in a lot of his videos reminds me of chrischan. His way of thinking is extremely systematic. He thinks all he has to do meet certain criteria on paper, and a girl will desire him. He seems completely oblivious to nuances of personality that girls find attractive.
Autistic people will also often have a pet project or hobby that they will completely obsess over. It's really unfortunate that his project was becoming an 'alpha' male, something he seemed fundamentally unequipped for.
This is a short documentary on 'incels,' involuntary celibates.
They are attending a meet-up. It's interesting to see them interact socially. I wouldn't be surprised if these people ran in the same online circles as Elliot. There's a lot of overlap in the things they talk about.
I really think he had some form of autism. The dire tone he tries to affect in a lot of his videos reminds me of chrischan. His way of thinking is extremely systematic. He thinks all he has to do meet certain criteria on paper, and a girl will desire him. He seems completely oblivious to nuances of personality that girls find attractive.
Autistic people will also often have a pet project or hobby that they will completely obsess over. It's really unfortunate that his project was becoming an 'alpha' male, something he seemed fundamentally unequipped for.
If you guys mean this one then wasn't that uploaded a day or two before the shooting? They weren't monitoring him so I mean the videos that were uploaded that caused the police to visit him in the first place.
unknownstranger
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Ugh I hate this story. Reminds me a lot of myself when I was 14 and going through things.
Yekshemesh
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I want to tell myself that most of those youtube comments are trolling, but one of them could be a psychopath in waiting. It's a surreal thing seeing all those losers making this ass-hat out to be some sort of beta superhero.
Oh yeah you're right. Well I guess more details will come out later. Hopefully they didn't disregard some obviously threatening video as not seriously enough.
the police came to his house to perform a welfare check. looks like they were told he might be suicidal so why would they search his home for guns and his manifesto? i don't know what exactly was told to the police when his mother reported him but i don't think she told him he was going to do something violent to other people. if she had said that then i think the police would have got a search warrant and entered his home. don't think we should blame the police without finding out all the facts.
He did, he had Asperger's. (Hopefully this doesn't start an association with it and psychos between the two shootings, though.)
Police need to crack down a lot harder on threats towards women and things like stalking and harassing. They are in a tough position because they get hundreds of complaints and it usually turns out to be nothing but in this case it seemed like it was right in front of everyone and nothing happened.
ChainedMaster
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Is there even any evidence this guy was harassing anyone?
Bam Bam Baklava
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He was splashing stuff but I don't think that can be considered harassment unless it was the same people each time which it wasn't and he could play it off saying it was a dumbass prank.
Devolution
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They could have probably searched based on the whole "suicidal" part of the call probably. Life and death situation = probable cause.
Waste of resources and nearly impossible to both achieve let alone fund. The police do not have the time nor manpower to track down every complaint. The solution isn't the police, or gun control.
Its mental health treatment.
I am speaking more generally, a lot of these types of creepy dudes like to engage in that kind of stuff to get power over women. I think this shooter did mention once that he liked to stalk but I am not going to go back over his material.
boiled goose
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I hope every single person posting threatening shit online gets properly investigated.
Also, if he lived with his parents, the Police could have asked them and searched his room.
it wasn't life or death though. they got a call and went to check up on him. he talked to them and proved he wasn't an imminent threat to himself. life and death would have been him barricading himself in his house and refusing to talk to police and threatening to kill himself. you can't expect the police to throw people in the psyche ward every time they get a call about somebody possibly being suicidal.
CountAntonius
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I don't believe in that. Also everything he says to me seems like his twisted way of rationalizing his own failures and inability to be the person he wishes he was. The type of person he wishes people seen him as. He didn't have the confidence or state of mind to be that person so he dealt with it by blaming everything and everyone. The more he went in this direction the more justified he felt because he immersed himself online with people who A. Agreed that it's everyone's fault but their own for being outcasts or B. Attacked and shamed him for being a creepy weirdo and reinforced his twisted world view even further. This is all my opinion of course but it's what makes the most sense to me.
Arozay
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This is also very true.
...suicidal tendencies are not an indication of homicidal tendencies.
Also, everyone involved told the police that he was getting help.
Devolution
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I didn't say this. I said it would allow them entry and to search.
CountAntonius
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I really doubt this guy was even turned down much. He seems more like the type for hating himself for not being able to try in the first place.
Devolution
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I didn't say this either. Can you and casimir stop throwing up shit I'm not posting?
evil doesn't imply irrational. There are tons of mass murderers and serial killers that were highly functioning adults when they went on their killing spree. Ted Bundy for instance was considered to be charismatic and rational during court proceedings.
MichaelFassbender
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I find it extremely depressing on a lot of fronts. Especially the lines about him TELLING his mother to sacrifice her values for his happiness. His own mother!
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