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Usagi Drop Ep. 8

Hmmm.
I'm having mixed feelings about how Masako (Rin's biological mother) is being handled. It's good that she isn't being depicted as a villain or too contemptible but I think they might take her regret too far. The scene at the diner made it explicitly clear that she doesn't want to be limited by traditional gender roles. There's some potential here, may it not be squandered.
 

fertygo

Member
Never doubt the Onii-Sama..

The only problem for Mahouka comparison is, Mahouka is so fucking boring.. If SAO is E7 AO with its catastrophically bad, Mahouka is Captain Earth.. despite in the end they equal zero sum, the first one is always "easier" to watch,
 
Normally I don't notice these things but this inconsistency really stood out to me.
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I presume this type of continuity error happens a lot and is fine most of the time, but it sticks out when you have the shots back-to-back.

(So I don't look crazy, the characters are not in the same positions in both shots.)
 

cajunator

Banned
Gundam Build Fighters TRY will save us!

GBF is the cure for what ails.


Anyone who makes Aila cry should face my wrath.

I managed to break a model using similar parts in less than a month, so YMMV.

From what Ive seen and heard of how enthusiastically you play fighters I am not even remotely surprised by this.

The mecha genre is like Nintendo and their current situation with the Wii U and their Mario games. It's something great known for many impressive deeds that it did in the past, with shows like Evangelion, G Gundam, TTGL, and the like.

Nowadays its latest entries are finding it difficult to pick up steam, as it continues to re-hash old ideas, and continually make its mecha constantly have more CG gimmicks to grab new audiences in its attempt to evolve more.

Actually this could be said for all three companies as well as basically the entire gaming industry. Its all so tired and stagnant there is literally nothing on the near horizon that is exciting or fresh. Gaming is in a very bad way right now.


You son of a -
Dont do this to Aria. Dont do it!
 
Its such a feel good series. So relaxing and relatively noneventful. but I have to be in a particular frame of mind to watch it. Are you going to continue with The Natural?

I'd like to but there is so much other anime to watch. There is a such thing as too much of a good thing so I'll probably come back to it at a later date.

BTW Jexhius is a terrible person.
 
Madoka Magica 1-12
So I finally got around to watching Madoka, mainly because I figured that after today's depressing episode of Aldnoah Zero, I couldn't possibly get anymore sad. I was wrong.


To starter off, I am surprised they managed to get that in-depth of a story to fit into 12 episodes while solving almost every loose end. The battle scenes made me feel like Shaft had given all it's artists orders to drop a couple grams of LSD, but overall they looked pretty. I liked the time-traveling element and felt that they handled that much better than most shows which try to incorporate it in some fashion and I dont know how I feel about Madoka essentially becoming god, but I felt they handled that pretty decently.

That said ... I don't know what to feel about the show. I think I got depressed somewhere halfway through the show and that ending was really, and I mean really bittersweet. Though overall, I think I enjoyed it, even through all the spoilers I had been subjected to.

 

Firemind

Member
SAO II 11-12

Good god, enough with the random Sinon ass, crotch and chest shots. Like not even just panning around, like straight up a zoom-shot of her cleavage with no particular reason for it. Not to mention they spent the entire cave episode gazing into each others eyes from like 12 inches from each other because Kirito is such a pure-hearted Gary Stu he doesn't understand the implications of spending the entire episode caressing some chick who isn't his girlfriend.

And lol @ the "reveal" of dude's identity and the fact that they've told us you can only have two weapons like 50 times, but Death Gun has three anyways.
Gary Stu's New Clothes

So Sword Art Online II had cliffhanger this week where they tried to put Kirito in peril, since his one-on-one face-off with Death Gun puts up against some impossible odds:


IT'S MADE FROM THE ARMOR OF A SPACE BATTLESHIP GUYS!

The episode then leaves us with the understanding that Kirito is in deep peril:

You can do it, Kirito-chan!

The real problem is that none of this is actually believable. We remember from the first season that Kirito is just so awesome that even faced with certain death, he is able to pull a deus ex machina out of his ass and still manage to save the day. Having sat through this twice already, why do we even believe for a second that Death Gun will actually kill Kirito?

On the one hand, you want to have a character arc, because it allows you to show growth in the character and also create dramatic tension. But if it's already established that Kirito is the pinnacle of human evolution, so good at games that he is able to cut bullets out of the air with his light sword, so why would we believe that he is in any real danger?

This is really the problem with these self-insert power fantasy shows, especially if they go back to the well over and over again. We are meant to treat them as if they are real characters who are crafted with the same character arcs that we see in any other story, with ups and downs that make them sympathetic to the audience. The reality is that Kirito is a character without character. He doesn't have a character arc, he just exists to be aggrandized in the context of the plot so that the audience can feel better about themselves. It's why I found this ending particularly insulting, because it is someone trying desperately to convince you that you are watching something that you are not.

[...]

This is what Sword Art Online might look like if everyone stopped pretending that the show is actually trying to tell a real story and not a vehicle to make the audience feel better about themselves. Of course, I think Mahouka is equally terrible, but it is at least honest about what it is trying to do: sell merchandise to hapless fans.
:lol

You guys take SAO a wee bit too seriously. Kirito is Japanese Batman. I especially like that you're pretending it's not trying to sell merchandise, apparel, games etc. :lol
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Never doubt the Onii-Sama..

The only problem for Mahouka comparison is, Mahouka is so fucking boring.. If SAO is E7 AO with its catastrophically bad, Mahouka is Captain Earth.. despite in the end they equal zero sum, the first one is always "easier" to watch,
Well, first let's just acknowledge that both are terrible with their use of exposition.

Mahouka is dull in that nothing happens to Tatsuya. He's just so perfect that there is never any tension when he is faced with any problems. The problem with Kirito is that while he does seem to face problems, this isn't believable both because of past experience and because he is the best player ever in every other context. You just can't make a self-insert wishfulfillment character interesting, because his function is to serve as a surrogate for the audience.

Then again, I suppose SAO isn't meant to be watched like a genuine show anyway. lol

Normally I don't notice these things but this inconsistency really stood out to me.
I presume this type of continuity error happens a lot and is fine most of the time, but it sticks out when you have the shots back-to-back.

(So I don't look crazy, the characters are not in the same positions in both shots.)
I think it's the camera angle - the camera in the second picture is meant to be beside the girl, I think. Either that or it's a perspective problem.

:lol

You guys take SAO a wee bit too seriously. Kirito is Japanese Batman. I especially like that you're pretending it's not trying to sell merchandise, apparel, games etc. :lol
Even the 60s Batman TV show has more believable character arcs than SAO though.
 

Mr.Jeff

Member
Astro Fighter Sunred 1-3
That OP is goddamn amazing.
From what I can gather, this is a story about the conflict between good and evil which takes place in the city of Kawasaki and that Sunred is a dick.
Best cooking show ever. The last episode of the first season is absolutely fantastic. And you still have another 40+ episodes to go!

Another show eminently deserving of a 3rd season.
 

cajunator

Banned
SAO II 12
Oh hey, an episode where Sinon wasn't sexualized.

Looks like Kirito is at the end of his role here. Can't see what trick he pulls out of his hat.

Its too late. The show ruined her and theres no going back.

Okay, okay, sorry. How about some stuff from that other firehawk12's show:

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Why Jex? And how do you have so many of these readily available?
Hmm...

I don't think people are necessary jaded, it's just that the more content they consume the higher their standards become. Once you've watched a number of shows the 'novelty' of anime wears off and you start to spot trends, patterns and tropes. It's just part of becoming a well-rounded viewer.

While its true that the tropes are really easy to spot I still find myself enjoying the shows as long as they add some sort of wrinkle to it. If it is paint by numbers, then Im pretty much not interested. Still I cant help but facepalm every time a show literally just does exactly what is expected of the genre.


No. NO! Bad Femmeworth! Bad!
 
I think it's the camera angle - the camera in the second picture is meant to be beside the girl, I think. Either that or it's a perspective problem.
It's screwing with my brain the more I look at it. They've been rotated at the very least. I'm half tempted to bust out the 3D modeling program I'm using for school and try to model the scene. (With basic geometry models of course.)
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
So what you're saying is you sat through 120 episodes of Adam West as Batman. Tell me, which one is more unbelievable? :lol
I honestly don't remember how many of them I watched, other than that they were on all the time as a kid. But I'm sure 60s Batman is more believable as a character than Kirito. :p

It's screwing with my brain the more I look at it. They've been rotated at the very least. I'm half tempted to bust out the 3D modeling program I'm learning how to use and try to model the scene.
The problem is that it looks like the dishes moved as well. So, I don't know...
 
Crest of the Stars 1-8

Pleasantly surprised with the storytelling and how detailed everything is, be it the politics or the way the Abh race reproduces itself it's all fleshed out. It's captivating and I wanna know more. The downside perhaps is that the story progression is super slooooooow paced.
 

phaze

Member
Thinking about starting Jormungand, but I'm unsure whether to go with the sub or the dub. I tend to lean towards subs, unless the dub is well-made (like in the case of Black Lagoon).

Tried Texhnolyze, but got hit by a heavy-duty dose of Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy by episode 7. Not to mention that the narrative is so disjointed.

If you made it that far then try to at least get to the 10th episode. It serves as a kind of finale to this arc.

Fate/Zero - 25 END

Kariya just ended up getting shat on throughout the entire show, from begging to end. I mean, damn. The guy continually has worms devour him and drives his body to the brink of unbearable pain in order to save Sakura...only for Sakura herself to be the one to kill the poor guy at his last breath, saying that he was a fool to go against her grandfather. Never mind Sayaka or Homura, Urobuchi was straight-up heartless with this character.

Though I'm not entierly sure what exactly happened to Saber. Is she dead? I'm pretty sure I saw her on the cover art of Fate/Stay Night or something so she must still be alive. Right?

Still hurts. ;_;


Gundam Wing - 02
Despite threatening to kill her, Relena is still determined that Heero is literally a prince from outer space who rides a white horse.

Meanwhile one of the other pilots decides the best way to be inconspicuous about a Gundam is to drive it around on a gigantic truck with a cover over it because that's what teenagers do and isn't obvious at all.
Stuff happens and then Heero ends up face down unconscious in water where no-one helps him and somehow doesn't die.

I need to just accept this is Gundam and move on. Is having a Char clone a mandatory thing for all Gundam series?

I watched like 20 episodes of this 15 years ago. Should finally finish it one of these days. Blond guy was the best. The princess or whatever she was, was the worst.

Tokyo Ghoul end

That is a TERRIBLE place to end things. Didn't even finish the arc, and it's not like there's going to be more anime now that the manga is finished.

Ah well, at least there was some nice animation.

There are some strong rumblings that it's getting second season in January.
 

cajunator

Banned
I'm just trying to make sure I don't burn myself out on anime or get obsessed with needing to stay up to date ASAP on any currently airing shows.

Which is a real problem since I've already got like 16 new shows I'm interested in next season, though anywhere from 5 to 7 of them look like they could be quick drops if they don't amaze immediately.

I used to be like that but work and circumstances slowed my anime watching to an every other week crawl. C'est la vie.

Recently, My Sister is Unusual 10



Ghost girl goes missing and the cursed belt disappears. However, imouto goes looking for ghost girl. Why you do this? The nightmare is over!

When she finds ghost girl the belt reappears and some BS is contrived to explain its disappearance.

Two left...

fuck this show really. You have my sympathies.

Madoka Magica 1-12
So I finally got around to watching Madoka, mainly because I figured that after today's depressing episode of Aldnoah Zero, I couldn't possibly get anymore sad. I was wrong.


To starter off, I am surprised they managed to get that in-depth of a story to fit into 12 episodes while solving almost every loose end. The battle scenes made me feel like Shaft had given all it's artists orders to drop a couple grams of LSD, but overall they looked pretty. I liked the time-traveling element and felt that they handled that much better than most shows which try to incorporate it in some fashion and I dont know how I feel about Madoka essentially becoming god, but I felt they handled that pretty decently.

That said ... I don't know what to feel about the show. I think I got depressed somewhere halfway through the show and that ending was really, and I mean really bittersweet. Though overall, I think I enjoyed it, even through all the spoilers I had been subjected to.


Madoka Magica is a hell of a "rebound" series. It probably just made your mood worse, good as it may be. But in a way it did havse a good ending as far as that could go given Madoka's circumstances.

I honestly don't remember how many of them I watched, other than that they were on all the time as a kid. But I'm sure 60s Batman is more believable as a chariacter than Kirito. :p


The problem is that it looks like the dishes moved as well. So, I don't know...

Yeah the dishes placement is inconsistent.
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
Gary Stu's New Clothes

So Sword Art Online II had cliffhanger this week where they tried to put Kirito in peril, since his one-on-one face-off with Death Gun puts up against some impossible odds:

You can do it, Kirito-chan!

The real problem is that none of this is actually believable. We remember from the first season that Kirito is just so awesome that even faced with certain death, he is able to pull a deus ex machina out of his ass and still manage to save the day. Having sat through this twice already, why do we even believe for a second that Death Gun will actually kill Kirito?

On the one hand, you want to have a character arc, because it allows you to show growth in the character and also create dramatic tension. But if it's already established that Kirito is the pinnacle of human evolution, so good at games that he is able to cut bullets out of the air with his light sword, so why would we believe that he is in any real danger?

This is really the problem with these self-insert power fantasy shows, especially if they go back to the well over and over again. We are meant to treat them as if they are real characters who are crafted with the same character arcs that we see in any other story, with ups and downs that make them sympathetic to the audience. The reality is that Kirito is a character without character. He doesn't have a character arc, he just exists to be aggrandized in the context of the plot so that the audience can feel better about themselves. It's why I found this ending particularly insulting, because it is someone trying desperately to convince you that you are watching something that you are not.
I hate having to defend a show I'm so apathetic to, but your vitriol for SAO is blinding you to the most basic read on the text. The whole point of the episode was that Kirito wasn't doing everything by himself. His set up with the nurse helps to protect him from the same outside attack Sinon is facing, and he was able to place complete trust in Sinon to execute on the plan she came up with. Your ranting about character growth could not come at a more inappropriate time for the show, where Sinon and Kirito are both tackling multiple issues at the same time in regards to trust, pressure, and coming to terms with the need to take action in spite of their traumatic history when dealing with do or die situations.

SAO II has actually progressed significantly ahead of its predecessor because it has tighter and more focused characterization along that comes along with a more interesting and unique world, and even while the action isn't great its taken on a much more stylized approach. If you want to complain that it is ham-fisted with its plot points and emotional moments, or that the game rules are completely illogical, you'd be touching on things that seem relevant. As it is the incessant griping from people who keep a chip on their shoulders from the original series feels less and less applicable when they aren't even willing to meet the show halfway.
 

duckroll

Member
Haikyu - Episode 25 (End)

Amazing series, amazing ending. I'm glad they picked a great spot to end the series, and the final episode really punctuated how the story is about the characters and their hopes, dreams, and motivations, rather than just winning or losing in matches. Really strong presentation throughout the series, very polished visuals, exciting matches and interesting rivals on the various teams. I really hope they're doing a sequel next year. The best IG series I've seen in many years.


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Captain Earth - Episode 25 (End)

For a series which has played it safe all through the run with no effort to really challenge itself or so anything risky or particularly noteworthy, it is not surprising that the ending is also one of the most by-the-numbers climaxes out there. Everything about this series felt like the creators were trying to make a traditional robot series which had all the elements of what people would define such a series as, without actually putting in anything special or feeling passionate about it. While the animation was pretty great at times in the climax, the designs and direction were all so boring it was hard to care.
 

Jex

Member
I think it's the camera angle - the camera in the second picture is meant to be beside the girl, I think. Either that or it's a perspective problem.
Nope, it's just two different artists drawing to different shots. The characters have moved, the plates have moved, things have moved on the plates, objects have rotated etc etc.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Haikyu - Episode 25 (End)

Amazing series, amazing ending. I'm glad they picked a great spot to end the series, and the final episode really punctuated how the story is about the characters and their hopes, dreams, and motivations, rather than just winning or losing in matches. Really strong presentation throughout the series, very polished visuals, exciting matches and interesting rivals on the various teams. I really hope they're doing a sequel next year. The best IG series I've seen in many years.
I wish this was in the first 12 episodes of the show then. :p

I hate having to defend a show I'm so apathetic to, but your vitriol for SAO is blinding you to the most basic read on the text. The whole point of the episode was that Kirito wasn't doing everything by himself. His set up with the nurse helps to protect him from the same outside attack Sinon is facing, and he was able to place complete trust in Sinon to execute on the plan she came up with. Your ranting about character growth could not come at a more inappropriate time for the show, where Sinon and Kirito are both tackling multiple issues at the same time in regards to trust, pressure, and coming to terms with the need to take action in spite of their traumatic history when dealing with do or die situations.

SAO II has actually progressed significantly ahead of its predecessor because it has tighter and more focused characterization along that comes along with a more interesting and unique world, and even while the action isn't great its taken on a much more stylized approach. If you want to complain that it is ham-fisted with its plot points and emotional moments, or that the game rules are completely illogical, you'd be touching on things that seem relevant. As it is the incessant griping from people who keep a chip on their shoulders from the original series feels less and less applicable when they aren't even willing to meet the show halfway.
The PTSD stuff doesn't feel like it matters because it's all exposition, with Kirito basically turning Sinon into yet another member of his harem. It's no different than when he had to save that little girl's pet or dealt with the fact that his sister wanted to have sex with him. Rather than see a therapist, because apparently they don't have those in Japan, she needs the only other person in the world, who happens to be our hero, to save her from her own anxieties.

But that's not really my problem. My problem this time is just the pretense that SAO follows any kind of dramatic structure involving a character encountering a problem that they need to overcome. It's just made so readily apparent that it's bullshit when compared against Mahouka, where the guy is so perfect that it just forgoes the pretense entirely and stews in the dude's godlike perfection.

Nope, it's just two different artists drawing to different shots. The characters have moved, the plates have moved, things have moved on the plates, objects have rotated etc etc.
I suppose that's a more likely explanation. lol

Rail Wars - 12

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Cake victory!
We did it!
Not like this. Not like this. :(
 

duckroll

Member
It's screwing with my brain the more I look at it. They've been rotated at the very least. I'm half tempted to bust out the 3D modeling program I'm using for school and try to model the scene. (With basic geometry models of course.)

It's interesting that you say this, because that actually brings up something I remembered reading with regards to interior layouts in anime. When PA Works was talking about their work on Eccentric Family, they mentioned that most of their layouts, especially for interiors (rooms, etc) are all done in 3DCG first. But they did mention that when Toshiyuki Inoue worked on his scenes, he did all the layouts himself in 2D. That's because he's that good.

Layouts are hard work. The layout of a scene will determine how it is animated by the actual animator, but it is usually not done by the animators themselves these days. The reason is that it requires a lot of experience to have a good understanding of perspective and space, and that's something which is lacking in young animators.

That's why many studios these days do layouts in 3DCG. So even if the scenes themselves are hand drawn, they're based on CG layouts because it's an effective way to get perspective and space done right. I suppose this is also why a lot of background work these days in anime are CG, since it's easier not to fuck up.

This is another one of those things which I think most viewers take for granted, because it's usually not something which really enhances a show much if done right, since it would just look normal, but if there are jarring errors it becomes very obvious.

I wish this was in the first 12 episodes of the show then. :p

It was. You'll be able to see it if you could look past the fact that people also enjoy watching actual matches and action. Or maybe if you watched less of crap like SAO and Mahouka. :p
 

rrvv

Member

Mushishi 14-26 [END]

much better than first half. mainly because better mushi lore. how the coexist with human around it. bring happiness and misery. also with much more interesting "patient" some of them are directly connected to Ginko himself.. Also I like some info on how mushishi actually working.

that said my opinion from first half remain unchanged. thought it slightly more interesting now since they broaden the topic instead to commonly discussed one. not sure if I want to watch S2. is it better than S1?
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
This is another one of those things which I think most viewers take for granted, because it's usually not something which really enhances a show much if done right, since it would just look normal, but if there are jarring errors it becomes very obvious.
Or just set the anime in a school room where no one has anything on their desks. lol
It was. You'll be able to see it if you could look past the fact that people also enjoy watching actual matches and action. Or maybe if you watched less of crap like SAO and Mahouka. :p
I figure I'd be more likely to go back to Baby Steps and skip all the tennis than to do the same with Haikyuu, if only because there's apparently some romance in Baby Steps.

I watched most of Ginga e Kickoff without skipping most of the soccer, so once in a while I can stand watching that stuff. The sport itself is just not enough, because the process usually isn't that interesting.

You know, what I'm saying is that I want to see a remake of Ace wo Nerae.
 
Usagi Drop Ep. 7

This episode rather bugged me. :| Little things here and there have been bugging me and I'm afraid that it's going to culminate in something big. (No, I'm talking about that.) This is the second(?) time Daikichi has been the voice of reason for a woman. Sure, she points out that he overstepped a boundary by talking to her in-laws but I don't feel that was emphasized enough. Then it has to end
with her going back to her unhappy marriage. I really hope this suplot doesn't end there. Sure, it's not inherently bad that she went back but I feel like the issue was mishandled.

Given what I know about
the manga's ending
, I didn't exactly go into this expecting it to be a very strong feminist work. Especially since it is being filtered through the anime industry.

Whilst I wouldn't defend Usagi Drop as a feminist work, I would counter that I think you have taken that scene to much to the extreme. It's not like she was being abused. Just taking her kid and running off as if the world will bend to fit you isn't smart. It's not like they show that single mothers are bad since Kouki's mother is shown in a positive light. I think the episode shows more of the trails of Japanese married life, with the pressures of work on the father shown via Daikichi's sacrifices and now the pressures on the mother via Haruko's tribulations. In the end Daikichi tells her she can come back anytime she feels like, which shows that he doesn't think she was a terrible person for leaving.
 
Wake Up, Girls! - Seven Idols


It's a ragtag band of girls brought together by a failing talent agency.

I guess this is a more realistic depiction of idol stuff than some of the other idol shows. Of course, it does have the former idol who shows up and saves everything. She even breaks out into song in a muscial fashion, just for the producer to randomly take a notice of her. Everything seems set up in a way to tell the audience that unless you support this, this group will fail.

And it's just a prequel of sorts to the TV show so I'll score it all together after watching it all.
 

Quasar

Member
Baby Steps 25 - a nice little end, even with the confession frustration. Really happy a second season got announced for next year. Never thought I'd say that about a sports anime.
 
Hellsing Ultimate 02

You know I'm really the cast of characters they shown off. Honestly feels like everyone introduced has a place in the story so far and the fights have been a dream to watch. As I expected policegirl lost control and went on a rampage. Not sure how I feel about her being calmed down with a hug from behind but whatever, great episode.
 
Mahouka 25
All batman-oniisama did in this episode was put on his his batman suit, literally be Jesus and heal someone from near death and fly away. It also showed how OP the rest of the cast is, but it doesn't really compare to Batman onii-sama
 

BGBW

Maturity, bitches.
I can't believe I watched Kirito followed by Slaine. The buffet of manliness contrasted by the biggest simpleton this side of the milky way.
 
Wake Up, Girls! 02


Shady producer is shady.

And Kohei left everything up to that guy? Some great decision there.

Luckily Tange returns and fixes stuff. Good thing they can trust the company president who ran off with all the money the last time.
 
Actually this could be said for all three companies as well as basically the entire gaming industry. Its all so tired and stagnant there is literally nothing on the near horizon that is exciting or fresh. Gaming is in a very bad way right now.

Nah, I wouldn't say that.

It may be in a less than optimal state right now sure, but it's not totally bad. I mean hey, we actually got more FFXV gameplay footage and we're getting a demo next year!

And it's not like games don't sell anymore. I mean, Destiny isn't exactly the most fresh new thing around, but it still sold very well!

And then there's the abundance of titles to be released in 2015. I'd say Gaming still has a lot of life in it!
 
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