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School Told to Call Kids Purple Penguins Because Boys and Girls Is Not Inclusive
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I bet I can post this link from the game Club Penguin here...
The 24 Easiest Ways To Get Banned From Club Penguin
The 24 Easiest Ways To Get Banned From Club Penguin
The Smoking Bun
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That's why I said I was going to be rude.
I can respect that a person identifies as a particular gender and can do so even without any form of psychological or physiological justification for it. Problem is that people are dumb and it takes way too long for them to understand the nuances of such things. Then we get this news story which is on the complete opposite end of the spectrum. What the hell is a "purple penguin." Are we going to lose our minds just because some oversensitive people might take issue with age old terms like boy and girl? How does this help anything?
The one real solution I have seen is parents with children who display symptoms of gender identity disorder being given hormonal treatments to delay puberty. Or we could simply educate people but then some people never learn.
Divide the school into 7 great houses. Gryffindor! Hufflepuff! Stark! Baratheon! So students are called by their house names. All Lannisters will please move to Political Science class, All Starks to fencing practice!
benjipwns
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Inclusiveness/Acceptance/Tolerance by Bureaucracy
Aquamarine
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They should just call all of the children "it" and "humans."
"Joseph wasn't feeling well, so it went home early today."
"Come inside from recess, humans!"
"Human! Stop scribbling on the wall!"
"Joseph wasn't feeling well, so it went home early today."
"Come inside from recess, humans!"
"Human! Stop scribbling on the wall!"
Why wouldn't you simply say CHILDREN instead? smfh
Or simply call them zombies. At least that would sound cool: "Zombies, meet on the rug" tehe
btw. there are male and female penguins you freaking morans
You could also call them snails or slugs, because some of those are both genders in one.
Or simply call them zombies. At least that would sound cool: "Zombies, meet on the rug" tehe
btw. there are male and female penguins you freaking morans
You could also call them snails or slugs, because some of those are both genders in one.
grandjedi6
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This is one of those things that look good in the lofty abstract but are effectively useless in the implementation. Even if you get it to work in the classroom (big if), it'll all fall apart once you go outside of that controlled scenario. Society is just too grounded in its gendered nouns and views for this to ever work. It would be a lot better to teach children to be more inclusive and accepting of those of different gender identities than going about it like this.
OuterLimits
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"We don't get involved with politics" says Superintendent Steve Joel.
I find that hard to believe Steve.
You have a crazy district on the Right wanting to teach some patriotic version of history and ignore the bad stuff that happened.
Now you have a crazy district on the Left wanting to pretend we are all purple penquins.
I find that hard to believe Steve.
You have a crazy district on the Right wanting to teach some patriotic version of history and ignore the bad stuff that happened.
Now you have a crazy district on the Left wanting to pretend we are all purple penquins.
TheRedSnifit
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Nothing's more inclusive than not allowing anybody to pick a gender.
The Smoking Bun
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I for one identify as a Green Penguin.
QuicheFontaine
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Ah right. Yeah, that would have a better chance of not leading to fights.
benjipwns
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Wow, way to be intolerant against otherkins.
Kitsunebaby
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But doesn't everyone prefer Kinoko no Yama?
Woah there. Don't just assume these kids identify as human.
Upsidedown Fuji
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How do gender neutral restrooms work? Is it all stalls? Also, are those restrooms actually used as intended? Serious question.
First thing that came to my mind.
benjipwns
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No restrooms are actually used as intended 100% of the time.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
And this is just disastrously stupid of them. Parents will rebel instantly. And if you don't have the parents in board you might as well not even try since what is said in the household will always have the predominate influence on the child.
This whole plan sorta reminds me of those who argue that the solution to racism is to pretend to be colorblind and act like race and racism doesn't exist.
ExplodingKetchup
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There are urinals in some. They're converted gendered bathrooms. And they are used as intended. No one has a problem with it since we're all mature and want everyone to feel safe and not threatened while using the bathroom
TheRedSnifit
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If by "intended" you mean "for sex", then yes. Outside of that, the women seem to avoid them for some odd reason.
davepoobond
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I don't identify as a person. Penguins are species agnostic.
EightBitNate
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I bet I can post this link from the game Club Penguin here...
The 24 Easiest Ways To Get Banned From Club Penguin
This is the best post in this thread.
Then say "mammals" instead.
If that's too specific, say animals. If that's also too specific, say living beings.
The Smoking Bun
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Should we treat gender as a malleable thing or should we expect people to lock it down post puberty and/or once they reach 18 years of age? Also, should be allowed to be so malleable at young ages?
Like kids literally running around calling themselves boy one day and girl the next, making a game of the whole issue?
If my stance is incorrect or uninformed then I expect to be educated in this thread.
No we can't because they are the future. Forget Ninja Turtles, children should be deeply involved in gender politics.
At most we should allow little Jimmy to wear a dress but that raises a whole other issue, bullying. Kids can be cruel.
We live in a world where one kid got the shit beaten out of him for a Rainbow Dash bagpack
Like kids literally running around calling themselves boy one day and girl the next, making a game of the whole issue?
If my stance is incorrect or uninformed then I expect to be educated in this thread.
No we can't because they are the future. Forget Ninja Turtles, children should be deeply involved in gender politics.
At most we should allow little Jimmy to wear a dress but that raises a whole other issue, bullying. Kids can be cruel.
We live in a world where one kid got the shit beaten out of him for a Rainbow Dash bagpack
TheRedSnifit
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What about penguins who don't identify as penguins?
ExplodingKetchup
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Y'all are trying to be funny, but imagine if you never felt comfortable in your skin your whole life, only to additionally have people slur at you and abuse you because you don't fall into what their definition of gender is. Safe/positive gender inclusiveness is only positive. If you don't think it is you probably have some internalized issues to work out.
They identify as penguins
Upsidedown Fuji
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Toilet/poop/shower GAF has taught me a lot of things aren't used as intended. #@-@
You are 100% correct. If people actually read the op it's clear it is a hypothetical name for a class.
And yes, I think this is a positive development, especially if it's actual implemented by people who understand how to do it instead of turning it into a farcical exercise of following the suggested model to a letter.
TheSaddestSort
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I can understand the intent on an academic level, but don't understand why they can't just use non-gendered terms like "kids" and "children".
benjipwns
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As grandjedi points out, it's not exactly the best way to go about it though. They're just trying to avoid any potential issue rather than actual tolerance or acceptance.
They could work with the children towards real gender and identity freedom, like making lessons about following your interests without peer pressure or trying out things that are unusal for your gender.
Instead they try this odd meta trick hoping that this will be some kind of all in one solution.
I think you should never try to subversively manipulate children (sadly this is like synonymous with upbringing for a lot of people), be honest with them and show them the way of trully being yourself.
Instead they try this odd meta trick hoping that this will be some kind of all in one solution.
I think you should never try to subversively manipulate children (sadly this is like synonymous with upbringing for a lot of people), be honest with them and show them the way of trully being yourself.
For real, this does the same thing but doesn't sound dumb as shit.
PetriP-TNT
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When I was in the kindergarten some 20 years ago, our sibling group was called something like roaring tigers and our group was called something lame like wussy walruses. Scarred me for life, I didn't identify being a little piece of shit at all.
(True story, it really pissed me off back then)
(True story, it really pissed me off back then)
I think it's the name of the class. There are Purple Penguins, Green Giraffes, Orange Orcas, etc.
Well your first two sentences were somewhat sensible, but after that...yeeesh.
Hours Left
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This seems manipulative instead of inclusive.
How about lessons about self acceptance instead of coded terminology?
How about lessons about self acceptance instead of coded terminology?
OK then, that makes sense. If the classes are getting names like that then it makes sense, if not then someone needs to smoke a little less weed before typing stuff up.
The Smoking Bun
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Conversely as a trans-man or trans-woman you should understand we live in a society where smartphones and 14th century racism co-exist.
In that kind of a world they cannot expect to freely express themselves without expecting at least a few (hopefully verbal) stones thrown at them.
The solution isn't to call them purple penguins though.
I would rather there be tangible justification for a person identifying as a different gender and not because "they felt like it"
Nope not really actually. It's a more even split than boys vs girls
benjipwns
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That's the thing. Kids are drawn to differences because it's vital to learning. And they're generally much more accepting of those differences than adults because things haven't been cemented yet.
But they WILL see and point out and acknowledge those differences no matter how much you try to hide them. And hiding them prevents them from learning about them and how they should react to them.
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