Dragonborn
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Several months? Was it is just one month (Sept, thanks to GTA) after years of getting beat.
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Pachter Predicts: Xbox One outsold PS4 in September (dance, you puppets)
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Several months? Was it is just one month (Sept, thanks to GTA) after years of getting beat.
I would play whatever I want to play, that's it.
PS3 also had Europe, Japan and other parts in Asia and SA that made up for the rather weak performance in NA and UK. A backup xbone simply have not as its outsold pretty badly in those territories.
And after MS had virtually given up on supporting the 360 for like three years.
Does anyone seriously think that Sony will do the same with PS4 when the company's financial wellbeing depends on it?
CrazedProfessional
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Bullshit the Playstation 3 Phat was getting absolutely destroyed. Sony had to literally relaunch the brand (right down to software boxart redesign) and make a Slim console before the tide started to shift and even then it took them years. All you people forget the phat years out of mere convenience. The 360 had a strong start and a weak finish, the PS3 had a weak start and a strong finish. Headstarts mean nothing. The Dreamcast and Wii both prove this. Eventually the tides will correct themselves based on past, present and future offerings and if that ever happens to Xbox One then the pattern is predictable as it has been in generation's past.
Pretty much as long as Sony is easily making these boxes, MS has zero chance and 3rd party games will always continue to sell best on PS4 the gap its already there to make that happen instantly.
semiconscious
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i'd think it'd be understood by now that patcher, like ms, only really cares about the u.s. - the rest of the world is irrelevant to both...
Again man...how is MS doing more legwork? Sony has a ton of studios woeking on announced and unannounced games (probably more than MS). What is MS doing that Sony is not? You keep saying this on every page.
Neuromancer
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MS has more firmware updates.
Xbox isnt a global brand situation, Playstation is thats what helps PS3 finish strong. MS aint winning the global sales ever in their lives in this gaming biz, only Sony & Nintendo can do that, they have true global gaming status.
So you're predicting a MS 'win' this gen based on what Sony did last generation?
Reasonable, totally reasonable.
Them firmwares bro, I can play with the Xbone OS for hours so much entertainment value. Sony have to step it up, it mean what do they expect me to do? Just play video games?!
Its not legwork its desperation so they wont face a larger devastion, they are on survival status scared out of their minds, remember they never experienced this 3rd console curse phase. Why people thought MS wasnt going to go through this to?.
CrazedProfessional
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Please don't put words in my posts.
That isn't what he said. He said, IF that happens then it will have followed the same pattern. How do you get that he, himself is predicting that from his post?
Master troll
Birgitte2004
Member
You are flat wrong, the PS3, world-wide, outsold the Xbox 360 from the year it launched. It was narrowing the gap from the beginning.
People who were US focused were so focused on how badly it was losing the US (and making stupid articles about it failing to outsell the Gamecube) that they ignored the fact that it never sold terribly world-wide.
The Xbox One isn't winning anywhere.
Okay well, feel free to continue this weird Tolkienesque prophesising and ignore the facts, but you're going to end up quite confused when the PS4 continues to sell the Xbone for the entire generation.
The Jackdog
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Youre missing my point, i was probably too obtuse.
I mean MS and sony constantly switching places at the top of sales numbers can only mean great things for everyone involved, including single console owners.
Why would you want either company resting on success?
GeordieMark
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It's frightening how much some people seem to care about which console sells more.
Unless you own shares in either company, it isn't really of any consequence unless it's purely about fanboy bragging rights. In which case, I'd be taking a long hard look at myself.
Unless you own shares in either company, it isn't really of any consequence unless it's purely about fanboy bragging rights. In which case, I'd be taking a long hard look at myself.
Best thing about this whole affair is that it gave a certain portion of Gaf who have a bone to pick with Sony, a veritable second wind so they can come out of the woodwork.
NPD threads have been pretty lonely now that console war's been decided. I'm glad Pachter spiced things up.
NPD threads have been pretty lonely now that console war's been decided. I'm glad Pachter spiced things up.
The Jackdog
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How can you honestly say that? 360 was top dog for so long then sony turned the ship around, are you saying its IMPOSSIBLE for MS to catch up when weve seen the sales leader switch a few times in every generation?
The pattern doesnt apply to MS, they dont have global status. PS3 finished off strong because of its global reach, MS has none of that.
The world is bigger than the US.
My thoughts on Pachter:
He obviously knows what he's doing, or he'd be out of a job. He probably gives very good advice when people pay him.
These freebie statements? He probably just makes without putting any effort into it.
People love to bust on Pachter, but if he was this analyst who's consistently incorrect, I doubt he'd still be in the position he's in today.
So basically we're arguing over Pach-scraps.
He obviously knows what he's doing, or he'd be out of a job. He probably gives very good advice when people pay him.
These freebie statements? He probably just makes without putting any effort into it.
People love to bust on Pachter, but if he was this analyst who's consistently incorrect, I doubt he'd still be in the position he's in today.
So basically we're arguing over Pach-scraps.
Constant switching, what? Neither of them want that. You think MS wouldnt kill to be winning all of 2014 months and selling software above all others?. Come on.
I'm not going to say it's impossible, but I do consider it exceedingly improbable that the Xbone will ever catch up to the PS4.
Description
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You did?
EDIT: I agree that it's nigh impossible, just found those two posts so close a little funny.
So..., it's just a poorly written post then? First you assert that the market will 'correct itself' with an Xbone victory just as it has done with the Wii and Dreamcast head starts meaning nothing (?????) in the past.
And then...,
...,you back peddle with an 'if' it happens all in the same sentence.
Kazuma Kiryu
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Who cares if Singstar and LBP sell well? If you're any gamer worthy of that name, you'd obviously pick MCC and SO instead of those two.
qa_engineer
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+10 internet points.
I see what you did there.
The Jackdog
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When did I say they want that? I said thats good for US
As you you and I and people who play games
Birgitte2004
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Yes, it's an opinion. But inevitably people, including yourself, pull out the "...and as a result people in general will be buying more Xbox Ones".
That's the line that people cross that takes it out of personal opinion. You crossed that line yourself, in this very thread.
Amazing how you alter the past just to make it fit your opinion.
- PS3 (fat) always sold better outside of 360s strongholds (mainland EU, Japan, etc.)
- 360 had a year headstart with great price, brilliant games library, superb online and still sold rather mediocre (supply constrains) and still couldnt beat PS3 on LTD sales worldwide.
- Playstation as a brand is still a force. People are associate gaming with it.
- Xbox brand and Microsoft behind it make people cautious, especially outside of NA. People think of Microsoft and NSA and not about gaming when they hear "xbox"
- Don't forget the RROD dilemma, and the loss of consumer trust in Microsoft
- Online behind a paywall with no real value for the consumer
- 360 was very western male focused, something PS3 made better
- The shift began with a reasonable price for the PS3 and great exclusive and JP games and the EU and JP market were a fallback for Sony
- Microsoft basically stopped supporting 360 after 4 years and were purely Halo/Forza oriented, while Sony gathered many new exclusive IPs in the second half of PS3 lifetime.
- 360 couldn't win much marketshare in keymarkets where its competition was strong - results to witness with the poor xbone performance
- Headstarts mean everything if done right. PS4 was supply contrained but Sony was able to deliver 1 million systems a month and sold them through. Demand is still high and will continue, because the system lives through its hype, word of mouth and positive PR
MS wasn't the top dog, the Wii was. And also the 360 came out a year ahead of the PS3. The situations are not the same.
Whats that thing they say about him?, everything he says its the opposite of what happens, so yeah says it all.
Killroyskbg
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And I dont think a remaster of old Halo games or SO to attract many people with all the third party games coming out this fall and attract a large audience for Xbox. If you are into games you are well aware of what is to come for the ps4 in early 2015 as well as that almost all multiplatt games run better on it so I still belive Sony has better potential to be the better selling console this christmas and by releasing "casual" games they dont have to compete with the CoD, battlefield, AC .... hardcore demographic but instead appeal towards a larger one.
Thinking that there's nothing MS can do to catch up and thinking it's impossible for them to catch up are different.
I think that for MS to catch up would need for Sony to give up on supporting PS4, either out of laziness, or financial reasons, much like MS gave up proper support for 360 in 2011.
That's why I consider it extremely improbable that MS will ever catch up or overtake Sony.
Audible Phonetics
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I must be losing my touch. I can't tell if this is a joke post or not.... : /
Dylan Sexbang
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I wouldn't mind MS pulling ahead this month. They're absolutely killing it with OS updates and their upcoming exclusives were enough to convince me to go out and purchase one. The vastly superior OS, party chat, voice commands and controller have made it my entertainment system of choice.
But I don't see it happening. MS is improving their console, and in my personal opinion it destroys the PS4 in terms of functionality, but even in the US I don't see MS pulling ahead. They'll do well, but not amazing. They won't pull ahead because Sony just has to be #4thegamers and they'll attract the mainstream audience because MS still has the backlash from the always online and Mattick.
But I don't see it happening. MS is improving their console, and in my personal opinion it destroys the PS4 in terms of functionality, but even in the US I don't see MS pulling ahead. They'll do well, but not amazing. They won't pull ahead because Sony just has to be #4thegamers and they'll attract the mainstream audience because MS still has the backlash from the always online and Mattick.
Chobel
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And of course, we have someone who thinks competition means both consoles being neck and neck in sales. Guess what? It doesn't mean that. Time to bring Y2kev quotes
Y2Kev said:
RandyBobandy
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Guys, let's all just be happy and hug it out
Hes saying that if they were constantly alternating top sales each month it would drive competition further.
Neuromancer
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This thread, like a fine wine, keeps getting better with age.
CrazedProfessional
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Operating System support has been stellar, bundle offerings in my home country (Australia) double that of the PS4, price changes based on market movements, advertising has been very consistent. JB Hifi and EBGames have been having Xbox competitions extremely frequently up towards the Christmas period. Here in my home town of Brisbane there have been Xbox popup tents and parked vans showing off games.
Comparatively and anecdotally, I haven't seen a single Sony promotional event in my city. Sorry if you were expecting a well sourced and industry analytical essay. I'm just being honest with my impressions thus far.
The Jackdog
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Seriously?
If there are winners and losers because of competition, and the competition is LOSING and does things to catch up that could be better for gamers, IE, games with gold, etc, how is that not better?
Im genuinely curious why everyone would rather have one company dominating rather than multiple fighting for your dollars.
I have never seen a camel thus camels do not exist.
Mass Effect
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I can't believe people are still trying to compare the situation of the PS3 with the Xbone. It's not even remotely the same.
And Pachter is going to be wrong.
I'd take LBP3 all day. I've played enough Halo through the years to last a lifetime and this will be my first LittleBigPlanet (which I've always really wanted to play), so it will be a fresh experience for me.
I'd much rather play Sunset Overdrive than Singstar though.
And Pachter is going to be wrong.
I'd take LBP3 all day. I've played enough Halo through the years to last a lifetime and this will be my first LittleBigPlanet (which I've always really wanted to play), so it will be a fresh experience for me.
I'd much rather play Sunset Overdrive than Singstar though.