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[JC Sera]

I think this is a really important link to add: http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAct...lyresearched_hitpiece_from_the_boston/cldrqeu

And maybe the foldable human piece?

you shouldn't harass anyone even if they're contemptible human garbage like Milo and whoever sent him the syringe should be arrested. and I don't have any reason to believe that he's lying nor do I gain anything from accusing him of lying. because it doesn't matter. he's wrong and gamergate is wrong.

P.much. Is that a suggestion for the OP to?

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It should really go without saying...

 

[Neoriceisgood]

Oh wow, we're on page 200.

 

[dLMN8R]

I proposed this before but in the new thread, we should quote dLMN8R's exhaustive list of debunked GG statements in the OP.

Also, wow at Neorice having the most posts in this thread.

Instead of quoting it, which could lose some of the nested quoting, feel free to use the direct source from here:

http://pastebin.com/myPiMJQm

 

[chaobreaker]

Instead of quoting it, which could lose some of the nested quoting, feel free to use the direct source from here:

http://pastebin.com/myPiMJQm

We can just edit in the nested quotes in. Whatever makes your post the most visable as possible without it being being pages of posts or a click to pastebin link.

 

[Metroidvania]

I think one of the most interesting aspects I've read from this recently comes from PixieJennie's article on the different schools of ethics, and how the GG crowd is, by utilizing the vague terminology of 'ethics' to substantiate its pushing out against its detractors, fighting with terms similar to a transcendentalist movement.

http://geekessays.wordpress.com/2014/10/15/gamergate-patriotism-and-c-s-lewis

You cannot have dialogue with a movement that sees itself as this – as Lewis says, the only thing a side with those transcendent goals wants is annihilation of dissent.

For GG to truly open itself up to dialogue, it needs to critically assess why it is clinging so desperately to those ideals – to open itself up to the fact that they might be wrong. This is not saying that everything said by GG is wrong, I should note. But one cannot discuss ethics with someone convinced from the start that you are utterly incorrect about ethics. One cannot discuss with someone who believes their opinion is right and they are superior to you in those terms.

There's no set limit to anything, no 'here's when we can stop the fight'. It's either conform, or be destroyed.

Granted, this has been discussed a little insofar as it relates to there not being two sides, albeit from the opposite end of the spectrum, but the gravitas of the nature of 'argument' just kinda hit me. Such a one-sided, lack of willingness to 'debate', alongside the multitude of 'no true scotsman' and other fallacies, just puts things into perspective.

 

[The Technomancer]

I stand by my suggestion of "GAMERGATE: The second thread. Fuck this shit made it to two threads?"

 

[chaobreaker]

Do we need mod approval to start a new thread? Will besada post it himself again?

Also, I propose this title for the new thread:

#GAMERGATE 2: Threadribution [Read the OP] -- It's About Games Journalism

 

[Nanashrew]

Glenn Fleischman weighs in on journalism and ethics.

http://glog.glennf.com/blog/2014/10/24/this-post-is-about-ethics-in-journalism

This is a really good read. Thanks for linking that.

 

[QuantumZebra]

The thing is, there's no "other side". There's just GamerGate.

You can identify with that movement, and you can say it means one thing or another, but either way you are wearing a certain badge just like if you join an organization or go to a political rally or put a bumper sticker on your car.

To NOT wear the GamerGate badge doesn't make you a part of some kind of movement. It doesn't make you "SJW".

"SJW" itself is a label invented by people (who are likely now GG-ers) as a way of trying to put a mark on the people they wanted to target. SJW isn't a movement, it's just a sarcastic name that GG-ers call other people that they don't like.

 

[LiegeWaffle]

I stand by my suggestion of "GAMERGATE: The second thread. Fuck this shit made it to two threads?"

Please. I think the length of this thread is the best evidence to just how ridiculous gamergate is, given their current list of achievements.

 

[L Thammy]

Do we need mod approval to start a new thread? Will besada post it himself again?

Also, I propose this title for the new thread:

#GAMERGATE 2: Threadribution [Read the OP] -- It's About Games Journalism

The problem with that idea is that somebody's going to take it seriously.

 

[chaobreaker]

The problem with that idea is that somebody's going to take it seriously.

How about "It's About Games Journalism, Honest!"

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Umm... a bit too graphic. We're generally going for irony.

Given the circumstances I think it's appropriate

 

[Vlade]

Do we need mod approval to start a new thread? Will besada post it himself again?

Also, I propose this title for the new thread:

#GAMERGATE 2: Threadribution [Read the OP] -- It's About Games Journalism

Oh, nice. working with that:

#GAMERGATE 2: Rethreadgeance [Read the OP] -- Journalistic Ethics Rising

 

[plagiarize]

250 odd posts seems like a lot until you consider that the thread is at nearly 20000.

But yeah, it's probably a lot for someone who's only been posting in it for the last couple of weeks.

 

[jstripes]

How about "It's About Games Journalism, Honest!"

"It's about whatever is convenient for us today."

 

[JC Sera]

Oh, nice. working with that:

#GAMERGATE 2: Rethreadgence [Read the OP] -- Journalistic Ethics Rising

add a "Gaiden" on the end and it will be perfect

 

[Nanashrew]

250 odd posts seems like a lot until you consider that the thread is at nearly 20000.

But yeah, it's probably a lot for someone who's only been posting in it for the last couple of weeks.

My post game is weak. I also blame that tree that fell on my power lines giving me nothing to do for 14 straight days.

Neorice tho... There is such a huge gap between top poster and 2nd place.

 

[L Thammy]

Oh, nice. working with that:

#GAMERGATE 2: Rethreadgeance [Read the OP] -- Journalistic Ethics Rising

Misogynist Gator Rising

My post game is weak. I also blame that tree that fell on my power lines giving me nothing to do for 14 straight days.

Neorice tho... There is such a huge gap between top poster and 2nd place.

I saw posts on 8chan to the effect of "that Neoriceisgood guy posts 24 a day". It's awesome.

 

[Cyrano]

Misogynist Gator Rising

#GAMERGATE - It's Actually About Ethics

 

[zer0blivion]

I recommend the Skeleton J. Warrior chrome browser plugin for gg related browsing.

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/skeleton-j-warrior/cngepiginggnblepfmmbpkijddklhgni?hl=en

The thing is, there's no "other side". There's just GamerGate.

You can identify with that movement, and you can say it means one thing or another, but either way you are wearing a certain badge just like if you join an organization or go to a political rally or put a bumper sticker on your car.

To NOT wear the GamerGate badge doesn't make you a part of some kind of movement. It doesn't make you "skeleton".

"skeleton" itself is a label invented by people (who are likely now GG-ers) as a way of trying to put a mark on the people they wanted to target. Skeleton isn't a movement, it's just a sarcastic name that GG-ers call other people that they don't like.

Hear, hear.

 

[MYeager]

Oh, nice. working with that:

#GAMERGATE 2: Rethreadgeance [Read the OP] -- Journalistic Ethics Rising

I like the title of the KotakuinAction stickied article, so why not: #GAMERGATE Part 2: Reality Check Time, Gamers.

 

[Neoriceisgood]

Neorice tho... There is such a huge gap between top poster and 2nd place.

I saw posts on 8chan to the effect of "that Neoriceisgood guy posts 24 a day". It's awesome.

I've actually been a frequent poster in mangagaf & smashgaf, both threads are absolutely notorious for ridiculous postcounts.

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I never even made it into the top 10 of either.

 

[chaobreaker]

I've actually been a frequent poster in mangagaf & smashgaf, both threads are absolutely notorious for ridiculous postcounts.

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I never even made it into the top 10 of either.

How do you manage the time to be here and be a godly pixel artist as well?

 

[Nanashrew]

How do you manage the time to be here and be a godly pixel artist as well?

I have this question too! I have trouble multitasking.

 

[Neoriceisgood]

How do you manage the time to be here and be a godly pixel artist as well?

My secrets techniques are sadly not to be shared with the common, vulgar, weak, licentious crowd

 

[Ty4on]

I recommend the Skeleton J. Warrior chrome browser plugin for gg related browsing.

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/skeleton-j-warrior/cngepiginggnblepfmmbpkijddklhgni?hl=en

Thanks!

I previously had one that only changed the acronym, but having both is awesome. Doing a search I came across the urban dictionary quote "A skeleton, or skeleton,"

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Oh, nice. working with that:

#GAMERGATE 2: Rethreadgeance [Read the OP] -- Journalistic Ethics Rising

#GAMERGATE 2: Confirming Societies Bias Since 2014.

 

[The Blackrose]

Been stewing on this one all day.

 

[Mman235]

Been stewing on this one all day.

Given I've seen GG'ers unironically talking about "The Greater Good" this one works even without edits.

 

[kcp12304]

David Gaider (Bioware/Dragon Age Lead Writer) responds to push back against another Bioware Dev (John Elper) who defended Anita's Criticism on twitter.

http://dgaider.tumblr.com/post/100838707464/wakeuplena-john-epler-you-either-havent

 

[Sciz]

Glenn Fleischman weighs in on journalism and ethics.

http://glog.glennf.com/blog/2014/10/24/this-post-is-about-ethics-in-journalism

This does a great job of explaining why the ethics argument doesn't hold water to begin with.

 

[zeldablue]

"I may have said some stupid things on Twitter leading up to this that I regret, but it doesn't mean I support this radical movement."

Jontron! <3

 

[VibratingDonkey]

Whoa there.

The difference here being when GamerGate yells "FALSE FLAG!", it's after someone harassed specifically states that GamerGate supporters have harassed them. Many times these threats are actually sent via twitter with a GamerGate hash tag or GamerGate is mentioned in however the threat was delivered.

Milo has never said that it was anti-GamerGate people who sent him the syringe, nor has he said there was anything related to "anti-GamerGate" contained with it. All he has said was he received a syringe in the mail.

I never doubted the validity of the claim he received a syringe.

EDIT: If someone were to say "MILO SENT HIMSELF A SYRINGE TO MAKE ANTI-GAMERGATE LOOK BAD", then there would be some hypocrisy.

It doesn't matter who sent it, what groups they're affiliated with or for what reason. It's a shitty thing done by a shitty person all the same.

As always, the idea of anti-GG continues being stupid. Based on what GargleGrape has said, it sounds like a terrible group, so I want nothing to do with it. I don't recall ever joining anti-GG. but I hereby officially denounce and disassociate myself from this nebulous group nonetheless.

 

[chaobreaker]

Jontron! <3

Well, I guess I can forgive him for that one dumb post.

I'm still pretty bummed I have to swear off Totalbiscuit and BroTeam Pill though.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

So Jontron just posted on his twitter that he's been doxxed, that he's been one of the 'faces' of gamergate, however he outlines all of this with that he wants GG to end. EDIT-Oh, beaten.

https://twitter.com/JonTronShow

 

[EricTheCleric]

So... found this little gem:

And I'm like:

Have they hired Lavrov and the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs to do their talking points?

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

David Gaider (Bioware/Dragon Age Lead Writer) responds to push back against another Bioware Dev (John Elper) who defended Anita's Criticism on twitter.

http://dgaider.tumblr.com/post/100838707464/wakeuplena-john-epler-you-either-havent

nm

didn't read right.

 

[Sciz]

David Gaider (Bioware/Dragon Age Lead Writer) responds to push back against another Bioware Dev (John Elper) who defended Anita's Criticism on twitter.

http://dgaider.tumblr.com/post/100838707464/wakeuplena-john-epler-you-either-havent

For the record, this is the data he's talking about when he says "0.5% of game site articles are actually talking about this shit." The number's a bit high, even.

The massive feminist conspiracy controlling games journalism has infected 0.41% of all gaming articles, or 1 out of every 240.

 

[Hemi-PoweredDrone]

What exactly is the criteria that determines when to start another thread?

Also, fuck, can't believe I've made 45, now 46, posts, because I've probably only made like five posts in other threads. Probably because the waiting period made me forget about this site when my account was approved in 2012.

Been stewing on this one all day.

That's beautiful.

Thanks!

I previously had one that only changed the acronym, but having both is awesome. Doing a search I came across the urban dictionary quote "A skeleton, or skeleton,"

I'm going to need to see if there's a Firefox extension fit that, it find hilarious.

 

[JC Sera]

Did he ever end up apologising to Zoe for posting the porno pic?

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also I don't want to get my hopes up but, yay Jontron!

 

[Rurunaki]

So this is still going on?

 

[Lime]

Man that mission in Splinter Cell was so bad. Like I think that's the only time Grim is on screen, and they gave her like boob jiggle, for the scene where you have to beat the shit out of her so she can maintain her cover (and she's wearing like a tight leather jacket so it made no sense in the first place).

oh boy

imagine being the animator on that assignment and getting ordered to animate the boobs of a woman getting beat up

 

[MYeager]

It doesn't matter who sent it, what groups they're affiliated with or for what reason. It's a shitty thing done by a shitty person all the same.

As always, the idea of anti-GG continues being stupid. Based on what GargleGrape has said, it sounds like a terrible group, so I want nothing to do with it. I don't recall ever joining anti-GG. but I hereby officially denounce and disassociate myself from this nebulous group nonetheless.

Apparently Kingofpol got a kitchen knife sent to him via airmail. It's weird these guys are getting objects in the mail. I guess Milo disposed of the syringe because he considered it an empty threat, I hope this guy follows up on pressing charges against the offending party. Seems like it wouldn't be too difficult, I mean overnight mail is meant to be able to be tracked.

 

[Ty4on]

For the record, this is the data he's talking about when he says "0.5% of game site articles are actually talking about this shit." The number's a bit high, even.

The massive feminist conspiracy controlling games journalism has infected 0.41% of all gaming articles, or 1 out of every 240.

I loved it when he pointed out 0.25% mention Peter Molyneux

I'm going to need to see if there's a Firefox extension fit that, it find hilarious.

Google social justice warrior skeleton firefox. I saw some who had had made a script for FireFox.
Edit: Hmm, I could only find this one which I think needs Greasemonkey. I'm not very good at FF scripting

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

So Jontron just posted on his twitter that he's been doxxed, that he's been one of the 'faces' of gamergate, however he outlines all of this with that he wants GG to end. EDIT-Oh, beaten.

https://twitter.com/JonTronShow

So GamerGate is now cannibalizing itself.

 

[Orayn]

Well, I guess I can forgive him for that one dumb post.

I'm still pretty bummed I have to swear off Totalbiscuit and BroTeam Pill though.

I talked to Bro Team about this and he's not exactly pro-GG. He definitely has a chip on his shoulder about Zoe Quinn and is thoroughly convinced that she's a bad person who's done bad things, but he does believe the threats/harassment are real and doesn't think they're justified of course. His overall opinion of GG is that it's a bad joke filled with angry screaming children.

Basically the inverse of "I support GG but don't care about Literally Who" people.

 

[Lime]

So this is still going on?

it reached meme status so

 

[ComputerMKII]

Debate about GamerGate on French television (in French, duh): http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x28evr0_gamergate-rebellion-populaire-ou-eruption-reac_news

 

[jstripes]

I talked to Bro Team about this and he's not exactly pro-GG. He definitely has a chip on his shoulder about Zoe Quinn and is thoroughly convinced that she's a bad person who's done bad things, but he does believe the threats are real and doesn't think they're justified or anything. His overall opinion of GG is that it's a bad joke filled with angry screaming children.

Basically the inverse of "I support GG but don't care about Literally Who" people.

Well, at least he's not lying to himself.