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I posted an image of topless man & women on Facebook, was removed

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Syriel

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right, because everyone fits in 3 boxes. where is the indifferent guy?

The guys in the group on the right. The ones just going about their business.

You actually see a lot like that in areas of the US (this was taken in Europe) where topless events are held.

It's just not a big deal, except when people try to make it a big deal.
 
What? The image was taken down because it shows tits. How is topless != showing tits when that's what you mean by topless?



Obviously not.

I really don't get where you are going with this.

The comment I respond to says topless men aren't sexy and topless women are.

I argue that that isn't true.

Then you seem to suddenly say that I argue that topless men pics are sexy because of their nipples and that with topless I don't mean showing tits.

I am just saying that topless men are sexy too, disagreeing with that poster.

And in some societies where everyone is naked all day and every day, nothing is considered private enough to cover up. That's the difference between our society and theirs: we drew the line somewhere while they didn't.

So unless your argument is that NOTHING should be covered up, moving the line to just exclude breasts is seemingly just as arbitrary.

It isn't arbitrary, people think that if it is normal for men to be topless it should be normal for women too.
 
It isn't really as easy at that and it is a bit of a weird thing to comment in this thread considering the entire point is to bring attention to the issue.

There are plenty of women's issues that are agreed on by many, many women that are nevertheless still there, partly because you'll need many men to agree also. Stating that the reason things are like this is because there isn't enough will to change the status quo, in a thread that tries to change this, feels...unhelpful.



The thread title literally states topless, as did the post I quoted that wasn't talking to anyone specifically.

Why shouldn't I presume he is talking about topless men and women instead of nipples of men and women? Yes, I am very aware that the latter comes with the former.
I was just answering a question that was posed. I don't know why it's out of the realm of possibility that women know about the issue and either don't want or don't care if there is a change. That opinion isn't wrong, and if that's how the majority of women in America feel about the situation I don't see why there should be a change. Though obviously I don't know if this is the case or not. That's why I bought it up, because if there is some kind of proof that the majority of women actually don't care if they're allowed to be topless or not it deserves to be talked about. And if there is proof otherwise in that there is a huge portion of the female population actively saying that they want it it should be considered as well.

And this thread is a place for discussion from all kinds of angles and viewpoints. I don't think posing the idea that most people are fine with the way things are needs to be something that's shunned away from. It deserves to be talked about like any other position one could take on the matter.
 

waypoetic

Banned
Thing is... a lot of people don't give two shits about laws and a lot of those people wouldn't hesitate to just go up to a girl at the beach and grab and fondle with her breasts. I'd also imagine these types of individuals going nuts with their camera phones - and i'm pretty sure none of those topless ladies would like to have their photo taken in that sort of situation.

Breasts are sexual in nature for men. I'm highly skeptical that, say, 5 years of topless free for all would change that or the reaction that they get when they're "out and about" if you know what i mean.
 

Izuna

Banned
I really don't get where you are going with this.

The comment I respond to says topless men aren't sexy and topless women are.

I argue that that isn't true.

Then you seem to suddenly say that I argue that topless men pics are sexy because of their nipples and that with topless I don't mean showing tits.

I am just saying that topless men are sexy too, disagreeing with that poster.

Okay, I seemed to have detected non-existant sarcasm.

His point was pretty much that the topless female is considered sexual, not just sexy. Topless male isn't porn, topless female is. That IS how things are.

You may want things to change, but it's how things are. He was mearly saying that it isn't hard t grasp why facebook would remove the image.

Honestly the whole -- should women be allowed topless or not --- has little to do with the OP really. It's about facebook's decision no? As is in the OP and title.
 

Morrigan Stark

Arrogant Smirk
I had to tell off my niece for wanting to run around naked around the house all the time. I know there are girls that don't care if their boobies are showing. We tell women it isn't okay because, well, it isn't okay for like 99.99% of non-perverts. So they up and learn not to.
Wow, comparing grown women making their own decisions to your niece? Really? And the rest of your post is just some of the most condescending mansplaining I've ever seen.

It's hilarious that you think their nipples are what makes them sexy.
And again. Do tell us women what women do find sexy, eh?
 

Izuna

Banned
Breasts are sexual in nature for men. I'm highly skeptical that, say, 5 years of topless free for all would change that or the reaction that they get when they're "out and about" if you know what i mean.

Pretty much where I stand on this.

Otherwise how else did the world decide we should keep private parts private in the first place? It makes no evolutionary sense if men never saw female tits the way they do now but all of sudden Western society turned an unnatural fetish into common sense.

Wow, comparing grown women making their own decisions to your niece? Really? And the rest of your post is just some of the most condescending mansplaining I've ever seen.


And again. Do tell us women what women do find sexy, eh?

1. Why not? My point is that my niece could have been taken to a culture where exposing boobs is fine and she never would have learned to hide them. (I know this sound hypocritical based on my above post but it isn't). Also mansplaining? That is incredible.

2. Uh, what? You are inventing context here. Look at that whole exchange. But if you want to say that men nipples are just as sexy to you as women's are to "the man" then shouldn't you be on the stance of wanting to censor men nipples?

But men has breasts too??

Yes, they do. They aren't viewed the same way women's breasts are. Being the point of this thread. Women's breasts are considered private, mens' are not.

Or aren't they? Because I am getting the feeling that me finding female tits sexual is some kind of fetish that I should be ashamed for having.
 

Two Words

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Can't you say the same thing about men and women being bottomless?
Yes, and nudity shouldn't be illegal. People are prisoners of their own puritanical brainwashing. Think about it. We take people's money and freedom away for simply being naked in a place that the public might see them naked.
 

wildfire

Banned
Breasts are sexual in nature for men. I'm highly skeptical that, say, 5 years of topless free for all would change that or the reaction that they get when they're "out and about" if you know what i mean.

Some of us aren't implying that it would suddenly stop making breasts sexual "in 5 years" and I suspect you are just over analyzing the rest who made ambiguous enough statements.

We are saying as it becomes socially acceptable we'll just learn to not stare at a woman's chest just like we learn to not stare at them for having nice legs or hair.
 

Two Words

Member
Pretty much where I stand on this.

Otherwise how else did the world decide we should keep private parts private in the first place? It makes no evolutionary sense if men never saw female tits the way they do now but all of sudden Western society turned an unnatural fetish into common sense.
Then cover up women's faces too. Men look at women's faces to judge sexual attraction. Same goes for hips. Women need to wear barrels so we can't see their curves. Don't forget about the buttocks. We have to make sure men don't ever get reminded of sex when looking at women, after all.
 

Maffis

Member
Okay, I seemed to have detected non-existant sarcasm.

His point was pretty much that the topless female is considered sexual, not just sexy. Topless male isn't porn, topless female is. That IS how things are.

You may want things to change, but it's how things are. He was mearly saying that it isn't hard t grasp why facebook would remove the image.

Honestly the whole -- should women be allowed topless or not --- has little to do with the OP really. It's about facebook's decision no? As is in the OP and title.

Female breasts are considered porn because the world is saying it is. 30 years ago women couldn't even vote. In Saudi-arabia, women can't even fucking drive cars. Isn't it about time to let women do what THE FUCK THEY WANT TO?
 

Izuna

Banned
Okay my personal stance is being assumed and the same arguments are being popped up on new pages with no one actually addressing the point I am making.

BRB as I make an image illustrating why I feel the need to explain common sense.
 

Prototype

Member
Female breasts are considered porn because the world is saying it is. 30 years ago women couldn't even vote. In Saudi-arabia, women can't even fucking drive cars. Isn't it about time to let women do what THE FUCK THEY WANT TO?
This is why I don't like the "common sense" argument.

Slavery was common sense for millennia. That didn't make it right. It was common sense the Earth was flat, ect ect.

Something may be "common sense" but that doesn't mean it's right. It can lead exactly to women being forced to cover up more because men simply can't control themselves which leads into victim blaming. It's not a women's fault if she gets harassed.
 

Morrigan Stark

Arrogant Smirk
1. Why not? My point is that my niece could have been taken to a culture where exposing boobs is fine and she never would have learned to hide them. (I know this sound hypocritical based on my above post but it isn't). Also mansplaining? That is incredible.
Your niece is presumably a child, which is why she needs things explained to them to avoid getting her in trouble. Comparing this to telling grown women they should cover up because you know better than them what's good for them is incredibly asinine, and yes it's textbook mansplaining.

2. Uh, what? You are inventing context here. Look at that whole exchange. But if you want to say that men nipples are just as sexy to you as women's are to "the man" then shouldn't you be on the stance of wanting to censor men nipples?
Huh? Why the hell would I want to censor men nipples? I don't want to censor anything.

Yes, they do. They aren't viewed the same way women's breasts are. Being the point of this thread. Women's breasts are considered private, mens' are not.
"Considered" by society, which is what many people want to change,

Or aren't they? Because I am getting the feeling that me finding female tits sexual is some kind of fetish that I should be ashamed for having.
It's not a fetish but your attraction to them should have no bearing on whether or not women should be allowed to expose them. Some men are foot fetishists, should we ban bare feet in beaches, dojos, etc.?
 

Two Words

Member
Gee, who would have thought that in a world largely influenced by heterosexual male views and interests that a woman's topless body would be deemed sexual, but a topless man's body would not. I guess that's just how things are supposed to be, guys *dusts off hands*
 

Crossing Eden

Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
This protest pic is a great example of what's been discussed:

putin-femen.jpg


Most people are just going about their business.

"Oh, another protester."

Putin's first reaction is to give two thumbs up.

And his handler is trying to shield Putin from the "dangerous boobies."

The question is, who in this photo represents your stance?
He's not protecting him from the "dangerous boobies" he's doing his job and protecting him from a potential threat. As in anyone running up like she did would receive the same reaction from the guard.
 
I was just answering a question that was posed. I don't know why it's out of the realm of possibility that women know about the issue and either don't want or don't care if there is a change. That opinion isn't wrong, and if that's how the majority of women in America feel about the situation I don't see why there should be a change. Though obviously I don't know if this is the case or not. That's why I bought it up, because if there is some kind of proof that the majority of women actually don't care if they're allowed to be topless or not it deserves to be talked about. And if there is proof otherwise in that there is a huge portion of the female population actively saying that they want it it should be considered as well.

And this thread is a place for discussion from all kinds of angles and viewpoints. I don't think posing the idea that most people are fine with the way things are needs to be something that's shunned away from. It deserves to be talked about like any other position one could take on the matter.

You are right. It is a valid point of view and possibly even true that this won't change because most women don't care. I might have taken the viewpoint as that things shouldn't change because many women don't care.

It is just that I think that things should still change even if don't people don't care, as that means they are okay with things changing things too and I doubt that there are more women opposed to this than women that support this.


It's arbitrary because we consider breasts as private parts. What about the other private parts?

There isn't a good reason that they are considered private parts, that is something a number of women would like to change. Chests are sexy on both women and men, they are pretty close to each other and at least women breasts are more functional.

Thing is... a lot of people don't give two shits about laws and a lot of those people wouldn't hesitate to just go up to a girl at the beach and grab and fondle with her breasts. I'd also imagine these types of individuals going nuts with their camera phones - and i'm pretty sure none of those topless ladies would like to have their photo taken in that sort of situation.

Breasts are sexual in nature for men. I'm highly skeptical that, say, 5 years of topless free for all would change that or the reaction that they get when they're "out and about" if you know what i mean.

Well, groping and such is already done. Maybe even more so in countries where women are covered up much more. And other sorts of perving. That is the risk a woman would have when going topless. But at least they'd have that choice.

Okay, I seemed to have detected non-existant sarcasm.

His point was pretty much that the topless female is considered sexual, not just sexy. Topless male isn't porn, topless female is. That IS how things are.

You may want things to change, but it's how things are. He was mearly saying that it isn't hard t grasp why facebook would remove the image.

Honestly the whole -- should women be allowed topless or not --- has little to do with the OP really. It's about facebook's decision no? As is in the OP and title.

The OP mostly is about the frustration originating from the fact that topless women are considered sexual in nature and that that needs to change. He knows that that is the reason why his pic got removed but considers it unfair. While the title seems to blame Facebook, the post itself blames society.
 

wildfire

Banned
He's not protecting him from the "dangerous boobies" he's doing his job and protecting him from a potential threat. As in anyone running up like she did would receive the same reaction from the guard.

That explanation just makes him a shitty body guard. Bare chested person with no threatening object in their hand is hardly a threat. Ofcourse he needs to react fast to unexpected situations but a half naked body at that venue would be easily seen by any guard. If he ever loses his job he should request a work visa from the Seattle PD.
 

waypoetic

Banned
We are saying as it becomes socially acceptable we'll just learn to not stare at a woman's chest just like we learn to not stare at them for having nice legs or hair.

Do you think anyone really cares what's "socially acceptable" when they see someone they find incredibly attractive?
 

Crossing Eden

Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
That explanation just makes him a shitty body guard. Bare chested person with no threatening object in their hand is hardly a threat. Ofcourse he needs to react fast to unexpected situations but a half naked body at that venue would be easily seen by any guard. If he ever loses his job he should request a work visa from the Seattle PD.
Dude, and what if the person had a hidden explosive? That doesn't make him a shitty guard. Civilians are not supposed to get that close to your client. You would make a shitty guard by saying "Oh it's just a bare chested woman, no threat., not like it's my job to protect this guy or not." Not only that, but that poster was crafting a narrative by assuming that the guard was protecting the client because of "dangerous boobies," which is highly illogical and shows signs or persecution complex instead of the logical explanation that I provided.
 

wildfire

Banned
Do you think anyone really cares what's "socially acceptable" when they see someone they find incredibly attractive?

Of course not. Sometimes people will stare. Staring would increase with bare chest because we aren't used to it and hold them to much higher sexual standards. You are just proving my point that men and women sometimes stare at each other already. As result there isn't any valid excuse to put a ban on a girl's chest.


Dude, and what if the person had a hidden explosive? That doesn't make him a shitty guard. Civilians are not supposed to get that close to your client. You would make a shitty guard by saying "Oh it's just a bare chested woman, no threat., not like it's my job to protect this guy or not." Not only that, but that poster was crafting a narrative by assuming that the guard was protecting the client because of "dangerous boobies," which is highly illogical and shows signs or persecution complex instead of the logical explanation that I provided.

I already accounted for that in my post.

If the explosives were hidden it would be inside her body considering she is half naked and wearing skin tight clothing. No one in our pathetic history of suicide bombings has gone to that extent yet. [edit] Actually I'm incorrect on that one. Most recent case was 2009. [/edit]
 

Syriel

Member
Dude, and what if the person had a hidden explosive? That doesn't make him a shitty guard. Civilians are not supposed to get that close to your client. You would make a shitty guard by saying "Oh it's just a bare chested woman, no threat., not like it's my job to protect this guy or not." Not only that, but that poster was crafting a narrative by assuming that the guard was protecting the client because of "dangerous boobies," which is highly illogical and shows signs or persecution complex instead of the logical explanation that I provided.

Except, he did nothing but stand there (and cringe), while event security came in and removed the protester. He made zero attempt to actually stop the protester.

Merkel seemed caught off guard by the yelling, but she simply stepped aside and stayed with the group on the right once she realized what it was.
 

Crossing Eden

Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Of course not. Sometimes people will stare. Staring would increase with bare chest because we aren't used to it and hold them to much higher sexual standards. You are just proving my point that men and women sometimes stare at each other already. As result there isn't any valid excuse to put a ban on a girl's chest.




I already accounted for that in my post.

If the explosives were hidden it would be inside her body considering she is half naked and wearing skin tight clothing. No one in our pathetic history of suicide bombings has gone to that extent yet.
Or behind her, or a small explosive. Or it could be assumed that she'd physically attack the main, either way, all of those scenarios are WAY more likely to be why the guard feels the need to protect his client instead of "Oh I need to protect him from t-the dangerous b-b-boobies."

Except, he did nothing but stand there (and cringe), while event security came in and removed the protester. He made zero attempt to actually stop the protester.

Merkel seemed caught off guard by the yelling, but she simply stepped aside and stayed with the group on the right once she realized what it was.
Is there a video of this event?
 

Morrigan Stark

Arrogant Smirk
If the explosives were hidden it would be inside her body considering she is half naked and wearing skin tight clothing. No one in our pathetic history of suicide bombings has gone to that extent yet.
lol @ thinking a half-naked protester is likely to have a bomb. FFS
 

Izuna

Banned
Your niece is presumably a child, which is why she needs things explained to them to avoid getting her in trouble. Comparing this to telling grown women they should cover up because you know better than them what's good for them is incredibly asinine, and yes it's textbook mansplaining.


Huh? Why the hell would I want to censor men nipples? I don't want to censor anything.


"Considered" by society, which is what many people want to change,


It's not a fetish but your attraction to them should have no bearing on whether or not women should be allowed to expose them. Some men are foot fetishists, should we ban bare feet in beaches, dojos, etc.?

1. My niece will be an adult one day, as will her peers. The fact is that even if I told her when she is an adult she can go bare, it won't change her peers' minds. Not just the men mind you. That's my point.

2. 3. don't really address what I was saying, I know you don't want to censor male nipples and that you feel that this issue should change, obviously.

4. It isn't a fetish because it's common enough to basically be considered a sexual thing by basically everything, male or female (even monkeys). Which is why women don't show their nipples generally and uh, well, well gay or straight or whatever men know that nipples are sexual, whether it arousing them or not.

Bringing up an actual fetish for a comparison basically nulls your entirely point. But pretty much, as my 2nd point was trying to address, this isn't about MORE censorship for male nipples anyway, so what's the point for anyone to bring it up?

You can go back and see the many parallels I made that this issue, that while technically sexist, shouldn't bring about change if that's the only reason for dialogue. I know of many girls who expressed that they were jealous of men because they could go topless. I know of quite a few reasons why they wanted to. What society has is a compromise. Cover the nipples. It doesn't suck enough for women to warrant some big movement by facebook, which brings me to my image.

Y0GvHbe.png


* should be "without a NSFW link"

I left out a final point since I ran out of space due to my horrible paint skills.

Facebook does not, like YouTube or whatever, have a NSFW warning on any of its images.

Also feel free to make your own graph showing your opinion. That is would be easy and would greatly benefit the women who want to go bare.
 

Crossing Eden

Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
lol @ thinking a half-naked protester is likely to have a bomb. FFS
No i'm providing reasons as to why a guard would protect his client over that unlikely narrative. You really think it was because he was afraid of breasts and felt the need to protect his client from said dangerous breasts? I wasn't directly saying "she likely has a bomb." I said FFS when it was a guard is shitty for being protective.
 

Syriel

Member
Or behind her, or a small explosive. Or it could be assumed that she'd physically attack the main, either way, all of those scenarios are WAY more likely to be why the guard feels the need to protect his client instead of "Oh I need to protect him from t-the dangerous b-b-boobies."


Is there a video of this event?

There are plenty.

Just Google the FEMEN protest at the Hannover Messe 2013 show.

It made international headlines. Even Putin was amused by the entire thing, smiling and laughing.

I used the still as a metaphor of the discussion here, not to kick off a discussion on security policy.
 

Izuna

Banned
There are plenty.

Just Google the FEMEN protest at the Hannover Messe 2013 show.

It made international headlines. Even Putin was amused by the entire thing, smiling and laughing.

I used the still as a metaphor of the discussion here, not to kick off a discussion on security policy.

People will automatically seek to talk about security policy if they disagree with your opinion because it's the go-to way to null whatever point you had. You asked us "who we would be" in that picture as you implied the guy on the left was afraid of boobies, when he obviously isn't.

I get the metaphor bit, but no one is afraid of boobies in this thread. Only I guess, I mentioned mothers wanting to shield their children from seeing them. Which is of course perfectly valid if a family wants to go to a beach right?

But suddenly bringing them up means I must also think that society shouldn't change anything and popular views should oppress if it already does.

It is exactly like me saying I don't like dark chocolate and someone else saying I must not like dark anything and thus I am racist. But if I call that person out on that it means if they like dark chocolate they must like burnt toast, I am somehow talking nonsense.

EDIT: Oh my god the off-topic tangents in this thread.
 

wildfire

Banned
No i'm providing reasons as to why a guard would protect his client over that unlikely narrative. You really think it was because he was afraid of breasts and felt the need to protect his client from said dangerous breasts? I wasn't directly saying "she likely has a bomb." I said FFS when it was a guard is shitty for being protective.

A more plausible reason is to just prevent the person from walking up and slapping his client.

A good body guard needs threat assessment skills and the threat level was obviously low which is ultimately my point.

If we are going into hypothetical threat scenarios he should invest the least amount of resistance in order to not be distracted from any potential additional threat that could get at Putin because he invested too much on a low priority distraction.

If the woman had a bomb it is the job of the security screeners with the equipment to protect Putin and every other person at the location and not a bodyguard.
 

Crossing Eden

Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
People will automatically seek to talk about security policy if they disagree with your opinion because it's the go-to way to null whatever point you had. You asked us "who we would be" in that picture as you implied the guy on the left was afraid of boobies, when he obviously isn't.

I get the metaphor bit, but no one is afraid of boobies in this thread. Only I guess, I mentioned mothers wanting to shield their children from seeing them. Which is of course perfectly valid if a family wants to go to a beach right?

But suddenly bringing them up means I must also think that society shouldn't change anything and popular views should oppress if it already does.

It is exactly like me saying I don't like dark chocolate and someone else saying I must not like dark anything and thus I am racist. But if I call that person out on that it means if they like dark chocolate they must like burnt toast, I am somehow talking nonsense.

EDIT: Oh my god the off-topic tangents in this thread.
Thank you, it's a ridiculous comparison or assumption to make.

A more plausible reason is to just prevent the person from walking up and slapping his client.

A good body guard needs threat assessment skills and the threat level was obviously low which is ultimately my point.

If we are going into hypothetical threat scenarios he should invest the least amount of resistance in order to not be distracted from any potential additional threat that could get at Putin because he invested too much on a low priority distraction.

If the woman had a bomb it is the job of the security screeners with the equipment to protect Putin and every other person at the location and not a bodyguard.
Yes preventing her from slapping is also a more plausible reason to protect is client than "oh no boobies. Either way, all of these reasons are more likely than the guard being afraid of breasts.
 

FourMyle

Member
so i guess this thread is/was about women being allowed to go topless in public?

hehe i support that for sure. let's do it. sign it into law already
 

poppabk

Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
It is just that I think that things should still change even if don't people don't care, as that means they are okay with things changing things too and I doubt that there are more women opposed to this than women that support this.
Am I reading this wrong or do you think more women would be in favor of allowing women to go topless in public than would be against?
 

MIMIC

Banned
There isn't a good reason that they are considered private parts, that is something a number of women would like to change. Chests are sexy on both women and men, they are pretty close to each other and at least women breasts are more functional.

Well we generally cover up the body parts that undergo the most obvious and significant changes during sexual development/puberty.

And what is "a number of women"? Are there stats on women who are are in favor of not having breasts considered as their private parts?
 
Am I reading this wrong or do you think more women would be in favor of allowing women to go topless in public than would be against?

That is what I think yes. Granted it is a bad sentence with errors.

Well we generally cover up the body parts that undergo the most obvious and significant changes during sexual development/puberty.

That makes no sense, we only cover up the genitalia with men and there are other very significant changes. Also with the chest.
 
Then I think you are underestimating how many women don't want to see other women's breasts in day to day life.

I think most women would be for it being the same situation as with men. Not that women constantly walk topless all the time.

Even when there isn't much of a problem with men being topless in public, it isn't something I routinely come across.
 

MIMIC

Banned
That makes no sense, we only cover up the genitalia with men and there are other very significant changes. Also with the chest.

Yes, there are many changes. I'm referring to the most noticeable changes (specifically the ones most likened to sexuality). So can we please stop pretending that when Jennifer came back from summer break that the first thing we noticed was the hair on her legs?
 

Morrigan Stark

Arrogant Smirk
Well we generally cover up the body parts that undergo the most obvious and significant changes during sexual development/puberty.
No we don't. The most obvious change is the shape and size of the breast, and swimsuits and cleavage are permitted and socially acceptable. The only part that is socially unacceptable to not cover are the nipples, and those certainly don't change much.

Yes, there are many changes. I'm referring to the most noticeable changes (specifically the ones most likened to sexuality). So can we please stop pretending that when Jennifer came back from summer break that the first thing we noticed was the hair on her legs?
Certainly a more visible part than nipples, which is what needs to be covered. But then again most women shave their legs, particularly because they're horribly shamed if they don't, so... (shrugs)
 
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