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What Does Sony Have For The Holidays?

NFS? I said "big" :p



Arkham, MGS and Witcher 3 are all coming out before the holiday season. But yeah, good stuff.

imagine at the end of arkham

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yoooooooo
 

Duxxy3

Member
It's a sale thread so marketing is really important

Still not completely sold on the idea that exclusive marketing does much.

Madden was seen as an xbox game last generation. Xbox has the marketing agreement, yet the PS4 version outsells the XB1 version.

Destiny had no marketing for the XB1, but afaik that version of the game has outsold the PS4 version.

I think that trends trump marketing. First person shooters typically sell best on xbox. Sports games sell on the system with the larger audience. Japanese games sell better on playstation.

Batman will probably slightly favor the PS4, but not by much. MGS5 should heavily favor the PS4. Madden and fifa will sell better on PS4. Black ops 3 and Battlefront will sell best on XB1.
 
Semantics ...

Bottom line is no one can be sure that it ever comes to PS4 (as well es noone can be sure that it won´t ...)

You're right. It's not confirmed, it's all insider talk without concrete evidence, which is why I said it's not worth discussing. The only thing we can do is wait to see if it's announced for PS4 sometime next year or not.

I'm only saying that on that same token, being so assured that it's not coming because of Phil's masterful PR is foolish, because we're talking about a company who so proudly flaunts the lifetime exclusivity of Titanfall the moment they bought it from EA.
 

otakukidd

Member
Still not completely sold on the idea that exclusive marketing does much.

Madden was seen as an xbox game last generation. Xbox has the marketing agreement, yet the PS4 version outsells the XB1 version.

Destiny had no marketing for the XB1, but afaik that version of the game has outsold the PS4 version.

I think that trends trump marketing. First person shooters typically sell best on xbox. Sports games sell on the system with the larger audience. Japanese games sell better on playstation.

Batman will probably slightly favor the PS4, but not by much. MGS5 should heavily favor the PS4. Madden and fifa will sell better on PS4. Black ops 3 and Battlefront will sell best on XB1.


The thing about destiny is that Sony sold a crap ton of ps4s cause of it that month. And didn't the ps4 sell twice as much the Xbox one that month also.
 
Still not completely sold on the idea that exclusive marketing does much.

Madden was seen as an xbox game last generation. Xbox has the marketing agreement, yet the PS4 version outsells the XB1 version.

Destiny had no marketing for the XB1, but afaik that version of the game has outsold the PS4 version.

I think that trends trump marketing. First person shooters typically sell best on xbox. Sports games sell on the system with the larger audience. Japanese games sell better on playstation.

Batman will probably slightly favor the PS4, but not by much. MGS5 should heavily favor the PS4. Madden and fifa will sell better on PS4. Black ops 3 and Battlefront will sell best on XB1.
where did you get those numbers from? Destiny was bundled in with a lot of PS4's and definitely moved a bunch of units. Marketing does matter.
 

small44

Member
Still not completely sold on the idea that exclusive marketing does much.

Madden was seen as an xbox game last generation. Xbox has the marketing agreement, yet the PS4 version outsells the XB1 version.

Destiny had no marketing for the XB1, but afaik that version of the game has outsold the PS4 version.

I think that trends trump marketing. First person shooters typically sell best on xbox. Sports games sell on the system with the larger audience. Japanese games sell better on playstation.

Batman will probably slightly favor the PS4, but not by much. MGS5 should heavily favor the PS4. Madden and fifa will sell better on PS4. Black ops 3 and Battlefront will sell best on XB1.

It has effect on hardware Destiny boosted PS4 more then XB1 and more then any first party games.
NPD don't track bundled games,with those bundled copie i think Destiny still sold better on PS4
 

xxracerxx

Don't worry, I'll vouch for them.
Still not completely sold on the idea that exclusive marketing does much.

Madden was seen as an xbox game last generation. Xbox has the marketing agreement, yet the PS4 version outsells the XB1 version.

Destiny had no marketing for the XB1, but afaik that version of the game has outsold the PS4 version.

I think that trends trump marketing. First person shooters typically sell best on xbox. Sports games sell on the system with the larger audience. Japanese games sell better on playstation.

Batman will probably slightly favor the PS4, but not by much. MGS5 should heavily favor the PS4. Madden and fifa will sell better on PS4. Black ops 3 and Battlefront will sell best on XB1.

The question is though, does the marketing of specific third party games sell more consoles for the person marketing?
 
it's gonna come to ps4, okay?

it is quite obvious. the careful wording when it was announced, both square and xbox not wanting to answer the time exclusivity question.

i mean, seriously. any official confirmation is just a formality.


if it were truly an exclusive, xbox would have paraded it as such without reservations.
 

Duxxy3

Member
where did you get those numbers from? Destiny was bundled in with a lot of PS4's and definitely moved a bunch of units. Marketing does matter.

Yup. Moved a lot of hardware in september, but the end year NPD still showed that the XB1 version was the top seller.
 

blakep267

Member
The question is though, does the marketing of specific third party games sell more consoles for the person marketing?
It'd be hard to tell. If it was s standard black ps4 you'd have a point, but it was the white ps4. Look at sunset overdrive. Even with the same stock, a black bundle probabky wouldn't have sold out the same the white one did
 
I see Microsoft having a lot of Star Wars salt ads this holiday.

pretty much. I would love to see the fine print on this deal, obviously there is a lot of incentive (more so for Sony) for this deal to pan out. I wonder if MS and Sony both had contracts on the table with EA, and EA just chose the market leader.
 
My only guess is Horizon from GG. They've been working on it for a long time, since K: Shadow Fall was being made. Since November 2013, that's two extra years of more focus.

Would be nice if people stopped spamming that BatmanvSuperman video everywhere... Some of us want to see the final, good quality video once released...
 

xxracerxx

Don't worry, I'll vouch for them.
Yup. Moved a lot of hardware in september, but the end year NPD still showed that the XB1 version was the top seller.

That is just the retail game box version though. It doesn't count the games that were bundled with the console. That was his point.
 

small44

Member
Yup. Moved a lot of hardware in september, but the end year NPD still showed that the XB1 version was the top seller.

The thread is about how ps4 will compete with xb1 without big games so marketing deals matter in this situation
 
My only guess is Horizon from GG. They've been working on it for a long time, since K: Shadow Fall was being made. Since November 2013, that's two extra years of more focus.

Would be nice if people stopped spamming that BatmanvSuperman video everywhere... Some of us want to see the final, good quality video once released...

New IPs. They take time.

More so if it's a RPG.
 

Duxxy3

Member
That is just the retail game box version though. It doesn't count the games that were bundled with the console. That was his point.

We have no idea how many bundles there were. It's pure speculation.

Even then, are the people buying the bundle for the game, or are they buying it because the system is white?

The thread is about how ps4 will compete with xb1 without big games so marketing deals matter in this situation

And I think historic trends have more of an impact than exclusive marketing. But... trends were created, initially and at least partially, by marketing.
 
It'd be hard to tell. If it was s standard black ps4 you'd have a point, but it was the white ps4. Look at sunset overdrive. Even with the same stock, a black bundle probabky wouldn't have sold out the same the white one did

Look at the NPD numbers when destiny was bundled with the PS4, it definitely helped console sales. The physical copy numbers most likely nose dived because so many people were buying the bundle instead.
 
Still not completely sold on the idea that exclusive marketing does much.

It creates brand association. It can work sometimes and other times it won't really matter. But right now this is happening

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So even though it's multiplatform, people are already associating it with the PS4.
 
My only guess is Horizon from GG. They've been working on it for a long time, since K: Shadow Fall was being made. Since November 2013, that's two extra years of more focus.

Would be nice if people stopped spamming that BatmanvSuperman video everywhere... Some of us want to see the final, good quality video once released...

I really don't want them to rush it out just to hit holiday 2015.
 
You will still be able to play Battlefront first on XB1 thanks to EA access.

So basically EA is getting the best of both worlds. Sony pays for marketing and a bit of mindhsare, MS gets the game first and some extra sales because of it.
 

PooBone

Member
Mark my words by the tone of your responses and childish attitude towards other user's replies you won't be on the forum when Tomb Raider is announced for PC and PS4.

LOL.

Sorry if you 've misread the "tone" of my text. Not trying to be combative. I've been around here for, like, a decade? How about you?
 

borghe

Loves the Greater Toronto Area
They're also co-developing it.

Not the same thing.

"Help" and "support" are code words for "we were paid for exclusivity" without sounding like "yeah we took the money to keep it off of other systems".

It's not like they had spare MS devs on site at CD working side by side on the game.. they just need to make it more meaningful than it really is (paid timed exclusive)
 
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