BibiMaghoo
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You can earn £15k a year flipping burgers in McDonalds. For programming, that salary is pretty disgusting.
I do not have any experience with it but the premice of the op is that it does not?NZ actually has a vibrant and rapidly growing videogame industry.
I do not have any experience with it but the premice of the op is that it does not?
I am actually curious, how is employee retention and emigration of skilled graduates like? Can you really attract skilled workers with these prices?
tattooed_dwarf said:Bit off topic but is there huge shortage of IT workers in NZ? I move to Norway soon to finish my engineer studies and I think next step could be possibly NZ.
Bit off topic but is there huge shortage of IT workers in NZ? I move to Norway soon to finish my engineer studies and I think next step could be possibly NZ.
Well of course not, just testing waters.I wouldnt move anywhere until you have a job lined up-just saying-
So instead of paying employees more money he's willing to spend even more money relocating and still end up with questionable if not worse quality programmers?
This man is a brilliant business man.
That is an absurdly low starting salary, basically looking to exploit kids who don't know any better and are desperate to enter the industry.
That's not really reassuring Dean.
. Really, though. He's definitely getting paid. At between $25 and $35 USD, since release, that represents between $80,253,650 to $115,224.550 USD in game sales. I don't know what share he gets of that, but enough to pay proper wages. This, in turn, represents the yearly salaries of between 3489 to 5010 of these low-paid graduates.Owners: 3,210,146 - 3,292,130 (according to steamspy)
If the programmers are getting paid chump change, I feel especially bad for how much the artists are getting paid.
Except exploiting new graduates due to lack of experience is fucked up and a common problem everywhere.
To me this stinks of arrogance and trying exploit people to cut costs. While the NZ dev scene isn't huge, if you offer a reasonable wage there are still excellent candidates out there. I'm also highly skeptical of a studio that is staffed mainly by new graduates - which seems to be implied by the wording (mecca for graduates). It's not as if Dunedin is especially cheap either - despite being famous for its student hovels, the average house still sells for ~ $300k.
Sadly this industry has a bad habit of exploiting new graduates, those willing to make sacrifices in order to land their dream job. :/
That's not really reassuring Dean.
It might not be very much money, but you get experience and get to live in NZ. Not a horrible deal.
You get experience? What is this garbage I'm reading.
People who work deserve fair pay for their work, not to be exploited by greedy employers.
"experience" doesn't put food in the table.
. Really, though. He's definitely getting paid. At between $25 and $35 USD, since release, that represents between $80,253,650 to $115,224.550 USD in game sales. I don't know what share he gets of that, but enough to pay proper wages. This, in turn, represents the yearly salaries of between 3489 to 5010 of these low-paid graduates.
Not defending his actions at all, but why do people think he gets a cut of DayZ sales, rather than just a salary while he was an employee of Bohemia?
With all the money DayZ brought in, hiring programmers at $23k USD is insulting.
Maybe because Day Z was his mod? Do you remember the impact the mod had on Arma II sales?
"But I get a royalty, and I get paid. I also sold (assigned) the rights for DayZ to Bohemia so I was remunerated there too. Compared to royalty rates for other "artists" and such I am probably doing very well. Compared to game designers (who mostly don't get royalties) I'm doing extremely well.Not defending his actions at all, but why do people think he gets a cut of DayZ sales, rather than just a salary while he was an employee of Bohemia?
People with parents willing to subsidise the early years of their child's career. Suppose it's a step up from the 6-12 month unpaid internship.Lol who would go for this?
People with parents willing to subsidise the early years of their child's career. Suppose it's a step up from the 6-12 month unpaid internship.
You can earn £15k a year flipping burgers in McDonalds. For programming, that salary is pretty disgusting.
I think there's a few misconceptions here.
- This isn't about DayZ (some seem to think so)
- Hall has long since moved on from the DayZ team (as always planned & announced like a year before)
- DayZ development continues, very slowly but in the hands of a great studio (Bohemia). Nothing to do with Hall now.
- Hall was only ever an employee of Bohemia, who have owned the rights to DayZ since the mod
- As such, Bohemia is the company that has pocketed the 60-odd million out of DayZ so far. Hall no doubt got a nice exit bonus, but he's not exactly Kim Dotcom
Criticise him for the issue at hand - sure, go for it. But there is so much character assassination based on pure bullshit.
Earning national minimum wage and working full time 5 days a week you'd be making about 1072 GBP a month or 12,864 GBP a year. Of course a burger flipper would usually not work in this way.You can ?!
Im a licensed designer, and with a job i'd get 600€ a month (7200€ a year), that is if I got a job.
I really need to move out of this place :c
You can ?!
Im a licensed designer, and with a job i'd get 600 a month (7200 a year), that is if I got a job.
I really need to move out of this place :c
I thought it was 6.70. Was it changed?If you are over 18 it's £7.46 an hour. Full time is 162 hours a month, that's £14,502 with no overtime or pay rise for a better position. A programmer, qualified no less, should be earning considerably more than the chav that cooks my BigMac while talking to his mates on my side of the counter.
"But I get a royalty, and I get paid. I also sold (assigned) the rights for DayZ to Bohemia so I was remunerated there too. Compared to royalty rates for other "artists" and such I am probably doing very well. Compared to game designers (who mostly don't get royalties) I'm doing extremely well.
My royalty rate is not insignificant (it is fairly significant)." From his AMA.
People with parents willing to subsidise the early years of their child's career. Suppose it's a step up from the 6-12 month unpaid internship.
I thought it was 6.70. Was it changed?
Not defending his actions at all, but why do people think he gets a cut of DayZ sales, rather than just a salary while he was an employee of Bohemia?
Regardless of the share he earns (or doesn't earn), one would think that the money the game generates should be used to hire the employees that are making the game. Whether through his (Dean) decision or the publisher's, that money is going somewhere. The game won't develop itself.
I was just thinking NMW not MCD. I have no idea what burger-flippers make.As far as I know, yes. I don't work for them though. My point was that you could get the same, or comparable doing just about anything. My local University offers £7.87 for emptying bins. Tesco offer a similar amount for stacking shelves. This is not a wage a graduated programmer should be receiving. It is the higher end of the lowest payscales out there.
The reddit thread they link has some quite interesting (and *gasp* civil) discussion between Hall and other Kiwis. No punches pulled, lots of facts, figures and insights.