After getting some clarifications, I'll say I will believe Ezekiels claim for now, prpviding Honeypot is KGB and not neutral (since both seem to be possible). If honeypot is neutral, this role would be way too powerful, but if pot is KGB, it works better balance-wise.
Mazre could be right that honeypot targeting someonw else could unbeneficial for it. If not that, then honeypot would have needed to be in the chat last night, since she wasn't the killer last night.
Still reading but right now the most suspicious person in the game for me is Zubz, based on yesterday's behavior he bandwagons on greatlord tiger, switching to bandwagon on visualante when he sees which way the wind is blowing, and then turns around and argues that I'm scum at least in part for pushing the lynch. It's exactly what I would expect from a greedy mafia.
i can see why ezekel roleclaimed. he's convinced they've figured it all out already so there's no point in not having this out in the clear & transparent. now he wants to stick within the mission system to stay safe. especially since our doctor is dead, the alternative list runs thin. still, it remains a neutral town move in that it doesn't actually help town. they're gonna get ya anyways and all this information is useless to us once you're gone. it's just another detracting thought for all of us, sadly.
So before I go back and look in detail just gonna throw up initial thoughts on Ezekel.
So Ezekel posted to say that revealing himself stops us having to discuss why we had no NK, but it's not as if we had been going around in circles on that point for 24 hours and were not moving discussion anywhere. Seems a bit hasty to get it out there so quickly, we may have moved on from the no NK thing pretty quickly and his role would have been kept secret, but then I guess the KGB would all ready know he is Archer if the role is true and so it may as well be out in the open for us all. I will say though the idea that 'anyone who thinks this role is OP is probably a salty KGB' seems real dismissive. I know it has already been said we don't know what other roles exist in this game but come on, this is clearly a very powerful role. Getting suspicious of people who think that strikes me as odd.
If Ezekel is lying about his role then right now I feel it has to be so that he can get onto missions more easily. Ezekel has stated his intentions of getting on every mission from here on out. If this role is to be believed then we have no reason as town to never not allow Ezekel on a mission. What if Ezekel's actual role needs him to get on as many missions as he can for one reason or another? He has provided us with good motivation to manipulate the volunteer list to ensure he is on them after all.
With all that said Ezekel was a good player in the AC game and so I believe that regardless of whether this role claim is genuine or a load of nonsense chances are it was the right move to make for Ezekel, whether that was to his own end or for the betterment of which ever side he is aligned with. The question is, is he ISIS?
It's too ludicrous a claim for mafia to use on the 2nd day, unprompted. Ezekel either has balls of steel or he's genuine. I don't think this is like what's happening in danganronpa. It wasn't necessary, but keeping us in the dark likely would waste 2-3 more days. With this out in the open, we can get back into the swing of things.
It's too ludicrous a claim for mafia to use on the 2nd day, unprompted. Ezekel either has balls of steel or he's genuine. I don't think this is like what's happening in danganronpa. It wasn't necessary, but keeping us in the dark likely would waste 2-3 more days. With this out in the open, we can get back into the swing of things.
imagine the response time for this though, within an hour after realizing they fucked their night eviction up they have already weighed up the pros/cons of this story? did they just intentionally skip a night eviction for this move?
Yes... if he doesn't get lynched right now. Which isn't a risk I think mafia would be willing to take. 3-4 people would've needed to sign off on this gambit and putting one of their members out there. They would've have to be very desperate to do so.
I mean we could do this. Lynch him, see what he flips, and then go forward from there. I'm already unsettled by the fact that we're on the brink of seeing not just 2, but almost 3 people who're going to be on that mission every time. Neither you or Mazre read scum to me last time around but if either of you really are scum, well, this is kind of bad?
Hobo brings up an interesting point. It could be a neutral role with an alt-win that's mission based. I don't really begrudge him this.
imagine the response time for this though, within an hour after realizing they fucked their night eviction up they have already weighed up the pros/cons of this story? did they just intentionally skip a night eviction for this move?
Yes... if he doesn't get lynched right now. Which isn't a risk I think mafia would be willing to take. 3-4 people would've needed to sign off on this gambit and putting one of their members out there. They would've have to be very desperate to do so.
I mean we could do this. Lynch him, see what he flips, and then go forward from there. I'm already unsettled by the fact that we're on the brink of seeing not just 2, but almost 3 people who're going to be on that mission every time. Neither you or Mazre read scum to me last time around but if either of you really are scum, well, this is kind of bad?
Hobo brings up an interesting point. It could be a neutral role with an alt-win that's mission based. I don't really begrudge him this.
I don't see any reason for Mafia to put multiple people on the mission though. They only need one to report on the activity, and they stand to learn MORE if there are 3 drones to listen to. The best thing would be to investigate ER, but that means we need to have our Cop on the mission tonight, but that's not something we can plan openly.
I don't see any reason for Mafia to put multiple people on the mission though. They only need one to report on the activity, and they stand to learn MORE if there are 3 drones to listen to. The best thing would be to investigate ER, but that means we need to have our Cop on the mission tonight, but that's not something we can plan openly.
I interpreted it to mean you thought they were using this gambit to get Ezekel on the mission having missed it in Day 1, which is where I disagree because it's sooooo risky.
Still reading but right now the most suspicious person in the game for me is Zubz, based on yesterday's behavior he bandwagons on greatlord tiger, switching to bandwagon on visualante when he sees which way the wind is blowing, and then turns around and argues that I'm scum at least in part for pushing the lynch. It's exactly what I would expect from a greedy mafia.
I made it clear days in advance that I was barely suspicious of Tiger, and that literally the only things keeping me from voting on another volunteer were Palmer's valid reason of being the clearest Day 1 target, Mazre leading the votes at the time my vote was made (I just wanted to get things going, not to lead a charge to get a player killed without information so early into the day), and Akros struck me as slightly less suspicious, despite both being in the same "New player who immediately volunteered" boat. I might as well have flipped a coin. I changed my vote when I saw that Tiger was winning by a large margin, despite not thinking he was that suspect beyond being too hasty in volunteering.
More importantly, however: I never voted for Vis. I admitted I agreed he was a safer vote, based on the explanation that you yourself provided, but I voted for you in the same post for the reasons already discussed. And the only reason I switched back to Tiger is because we were at a tie thanks to this last second Vis bandwagon. As soon as Vis overtook Tiger, I went back to you so that way we weren't at a No Kill.
So yes, I flip-flopped, but the reasons for my votes were...
1. The volunteer I was slightly-more suspicious of for the purpose of pressuring possible KGB volunteers out (But still didn't quite feel in my gut)
2. The player that seemed the most aggressive and suspicious overall
3. The player I voted on last time because Squidy's Vis bandwagon grew too large and I'd created a tie within the last 15 minutes of the day, and didn't want to jump onto a bandwagon created by the guy I was suspicious of
4. The player I was actually suspicious of, when it was clear we no longer had a tie
All between 2 people, and all for reasons that help The Spy Agency (Probably?) Formerly Known as ISIS.
As for Ezekel (Is "Zeke" okay?), I'm still not sure. Palmer does raise a good point that his cover story gives us reason to give him safe passage into each mission, but the move still seems way to risky for the KGB, unless they want to pull a reverse Blarg here. I'm wary of him, at the very least, but we'll have to see how things turn out there. And again, if someone else has the Power Role of Archer, please do not roleclaim. Throwing suspicion Ezekel's way would be great, in such an event. But barring a dire situation, you really shouldn't reveal on Day 2.
So Ezekel posted to say that revealing himself stops us having to discuss why we had no NK, but it's not as if we had been going around in circles on that point for 24 hours and were not moving discussion anywhere. Seems a bit hasty to get it out there so quickly, we may have moved on from the no NK thing pretty quickly and his role would have been kept secret, but then I guess the KGB would all ready know he is Archer if the role is true and so it may as well be out in the open for us all. I will say though the idea that 'anyone who thinks this role is OP is probably a salty KGB' seems real dismissive. I know it has already been said we don't know what other roles exist in this game but come on, this is clearly a very powerful role. Getting suspicious of people who think that strikes me as odd.
Ezekel has stated his intentions of getting on every mission from here on out. If this role is to be believed then we have no reason as town to never not allow Ezekel on a mission. What if Ezekel's actual role needs him to get on as many missions as he can for one reason or another? He has provided us with good motivation to manipulate the volunteer list to ensure he is on them after all.
imagine the response time for this though, within an hour after realizing they fucked their night eviction up they have already weighed up the pros/cons of this story? did they just intentionally skip a night eviction for this move?
For me, I didn't even know I got hit til after the opening post for this day phase from Ouro. When I made the post below, I wasn't aware someone made an attempt on my life. I don't know if they received a message saying they failed, But I imagine it would be assumed for them if no one died.
For a safety net. I sacrifice myself know that if I am killed on a mission, that the remaining spies will be able to pinpoint who among the three carried out the kill. So I volunteer for the better of this agency and dont you ever question it!
As far as to why KGB would put multiple ppl on a mission, it could be used to throw suspicion. Someone dies on a mission and we lynch 1 of the others and find out one of them are KGB, we would be less likely to look at the other 2 as KGB as well. Maybe the other is inves type and wanted to ck out the role of the other person they didn't kill. Not saying they are sending 2 members, just saying we shouldnt automatically write off the possibility in the future.
One thing to perhaps note for is that Palmer wished at the end of day 1 for mafia to kill an inactive player, and Ezekiel was not the most active ones, so kgb trying to kill him would fall in line with that. Of course they could use him as the claimer for that same reason.
It might not mean anything, but that thought came to mind.
I'm not saying I've made up my mind on palmer, there's every possibility the comment was innocent but I want to see how the rest of the players saw me re visualante, and how you see palmer's comment.
Oh, I'm extremely suspicious of El Topo right now, in case I die somehow. I think squidyj is probably okay cause no mafia would commit themselves this much to saving or killing someone.
As if so then yeah I agree with that idea. On Day 1 the mafia can just sit back and let town lynch themselves, they really don't need to do much. Someone who is actively searching on day 1 is likely town in my eyes. If I wanna throw doubt around I suppose it could also be a good cover for mafia however. As Day 1 is all based on hunches I feel like there is less to trace back in regards to how players act. If this is the comment your on about I don't really see it as saying "i know this guy is town and I want to softly push town into seeing you as scum for pushing an incorrect lynch" however.
Right now I just see you as a town that made a mistake. As someone who throws out a lot of accusations your not going to hit the mark every time. And as he been said even if you were a mafia PR, unless it was a very unorthodox one, you wouldn't have known anything about visualante anyway (meaning him being the Dr would be a happy coincidence for hypothetical KGB squidy) and if you just needed to protect GLT from eviction there were easier paths to take than starting an eviction on visualante.
According to my role, I win if I can vote him out. If I'm unable to vote him out during the day I win as long as I make it to the end. That's my role. This also means I'm neutral but not part of KGB.
So that's that. I won't vote him out but hopefully I can make it to the end game. Or not. I don't mind getting evicted I feel bad for jumping on visualante last minute.
1. He bandwagonny (in Day 1, out of the 4 votes, 3 was bandwagon votes: (first one was against Enker - after cabbeh, second one was against EzekelRAGE - after Haly, and then Visualante2 - after squidyj)
2. He voices many times that he doesnt mind getting lynched early and that he just wants to have funfunfun~ Lets send him to the party central that is the DED THRED
3. He broke Crab's commandments against roleclaimin
According to my role, I win if I can vote him out. If I'm unable to vote him out during the day I win as long as I make it to the end. That's my role. This also means I'm neutral but not part of KGB.
So that's that. I won't vote him out but hopefully I can make it to the end game. Or not. I don't mind getting evicted I feel bad for jumping on visualante last minute.
According to my role, I win if I can vote him out. If I'm unable to vote him out during the day I win as long as I make it to the end. That's my role. This also means I'm neutral but not part of KGB.
So that's that. I won't vote him out but hopefully I can make it to the end game. Or not. I don't mind getting evicted I feel bad for jumping on visualante last minute.
So "role claiming" is cool, but "phrasing" isn't anymore?
That role claim really was out of nowhere, too, and just seems to make both Ezekel and Seath more suspicious. Like, does Ezekel have knowledge of Seath's character and is trying to flush him out? This is one of those little wars that should be going on in private, IMO. I really want to see how either of these moves plays out, because now the Honeypot wants to get Ezekel, and Ezekel should logically want to get Seath, assuming neither party lied.
I'd wait to see how this plays out, but this entire thing rubs me the wrong way. And even if Seath's telling the truth, I'm inclined not to trust "Neutral" players who are open about their alleged neutrality.
......... if you just wanted access to the ded thred, should just ask for it instead of signing up to play a season!!!! I am rarely angry but I'm sort of kind of somewhat angry at you !!!!!!!!!
Such a booboohead of a player >:O
Quick, I need scotch to appease my moods now :< *fishes for scothies bottles in zubz' pants*
So "role claiming" is cool, but "phrasing" isn't anymore?
That role claim really was out of nowhere, too, and just seems to make both Ezekel and Seath more suspicious. Like, does Ezekel have knowledge of Seath's character and is trying to flush him out? This is one of those little wars that should be going on in private, IMO. I really want to see how either of these moves plays out, because now the Honeypot wants to get Ezekel, and Ezekel should logically want to get Seath, assuming neither party lied.
I'd wait to see how this plays out, but this entire thing rubs me the wrong way. And even if Seath's telling the truth, I'm inclined not to trust "Neutral" players who are open about their alleged neutrality.
I have no idea what Seath is doing. I posted that gif cuz I thought he was joking. If he is telling the truth about his Role name, Conway was a Double agent who worked against ISIS in the show I think. The only other character I know about is the Honeypot.
Also if Seath is telling the truth, which I doubt, that doesn't move me to want him out more. I doubt he would ever be able to convince the intelligent spies of ISIS to vote off their most talented spy. I also doubt mother would let him go threw with it as well!
I feel I had a reason to roleclaim. Idk what Seath is doing.
So "role claiming" is cool, but "phrasing" isn't anymore?
That role claim really was out of nowhere, too, and just seems to make both Ezekel and Seath more suspicious. Like, does Ezekel have knowledge of Seath's character and is trying to flush him out? This is one of those little wars that should be going on in private, IMO. I really want to see how either of these moves plays out, because now the Honeypot wants to get Ezekel, and Ezekel should logically want to get Seath, assuming neither party lied.
I'd wait to see how this plays out, but this entire thing rubs me the wrong way. And even if Seath's telling the truth, I'm inclined not to trust "Neutral" players who are open about their alleged neutrality.
I'm doing better than Seath is about to be. For the record, I sold my neutrality last game as being useful, which it potentially was. Not my fault that nobody ever realized I was sandbagging town and my protectee was actually a Hutt!
Anyway, no part of Seath's claim indicates it would ever be helpful to town. He's effectively a Lynchee role while I was an Unlynchee. He should have claimed Cop and claimed that ER was Mafia. I literally described exactly how to win with this role last game.
Vote Seath
There's no way we can't lynch you if it helps prove that ER is telling the truth.
......... if you just wanted access to the ded thred, should just ask for it instead of signing up to play a season!!!! I am rarely angry but I'm sort of kind of somewhat angry at you !!!!!!!!!
Such a booboohead of a player >:O
Quick, I need scotch to appease my moods now :< *fishes for scothies bottles in zubz' pants*
According to my role, I win if I can vote him out. If I'm unable to vote him out during the day I win as long as I make it to the end. That's my role. This also means I'm neutral but not part of KGB.
So that's that. I won't vote him out but hopefully I can make it to the end game. Or not. I don't mind getting evicted I feel bad for jumping on visualante last minute.
this is... um..... hmmmmmmmmmmm
Here's my problem, if we keep you around, you could always go rogue. You have to dodge being killed by mafia and if zeke is alive you might ally yourself with mafia to get him lynched.
I'm doing better than Seath is about to be. For the record, I sold my neutrality last game as being useful, which it potentially was. Not my fault that nobody ever realized I was sandbagging town and my protectee was actually a Hutt!
Anyway, no part of Seath's claim indicates it would ever be helpful to town. He's effectively a Lynchee role while I was an Unlynchee. He should have claimed Cop and claimed that ER was Mafia. I literally described exactly how to win with this role last game.
Vote Seath
There's no way we can't lynch you if it helps prove that ER is telling the truth.
It's not "against the game," it's just a really, really poor move unless A. It's late game, or 2. Your back is on the wall. Seeing how it's Day 2, it wasn't really a good idea in either case.
But, on top of me distrusting all "neutral" parties, lore-wise, I don't see Conway in a role that benefits either side. And gameplay-wise, I really doubt your win conditions are "Archer dies/CIASIS, the team that Archer is the biggest asset to, wins." Then again, you're begging to be taken out... Are we sure there're no Jesters?
I'm almost certain there's no Jesters by Crab's decree; I honestly can't get a read from this, though.
I have no idea what Seath is doing. I posted that gif cuz I thought he was joking. If he is telling the truth about his Role name, Conway was a Double agent who worked against ISIS in the show I think. The only other character I know about is the Honeypot.
He does. Twice. He backstabs everyone to help out some previously-undiscussed third party. I guess he could feasibly be in a neutral role that could help the Agency, but...
Assuming you're telling the truth, that's 4 known roles now, barring the obvious "Ordinary" role. So... Huh.
