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[YesNOnoNOYes]

Eh? Cuz I thought we are coming into agreement to send 2 only into the night mission? And if the mission is just chatting with Eze (just the two of us~ so romantic?..... but wait, he's STERLINK ARCHER noooooo), I think I prefer to take a little break from the game and catch up with the DR and Cthulhu threads during our night time.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I don't know man, that's just the direction the conversation went in.

But it wasn't really? Especially not with me pushing that agenda like Hobo is making it seem like. Roy was the only one who mentioned my "safety" other than that my safety hasn't really been a big issue. I think one of the main reason ppl suggested limiting who goes on a mission is to more easily pinpoint my killer with a possible side benefit of a person being more talkative on a mission.

 

[Enker]

My attempt to play devils advocate with myself about this situation.

Known Facts
Nobody died N1
The Doctor couldn’t “protect from beyond the grave” after we lynched him.

“Assumed”
KGB kill as a group and one person PMs the kill order

Ouro considers it a “Honeypot” kill if the Honeypot is in the same group as those ordering the kill (option B here is that the Honeypot must message the kill to Ouro).

Ezekel is Archer, Honeypot exists

Ezekel had an attempt on his life N1, but not by the honeypot thus nobody died.

At least 3 KGB based on starting player total. This is like a “normal” Mafia game if they outnumber us they win.


Potential Scenarios Given the Above (not listed in any order of likelihood):

A) Honeypot is Neutral and needs to kill Archer to win. Well, we’re pretty well hosed then unless we send the same two people on a mission from now until the end of the game. Which…well…protects Ezekel and one other (hopefully non-honeypot) person from being killed for the rest of the game. Thus eliminating the missions as a X-Factor in this game and enabling Mafia to kill whomever they choose.

B) Honeypot is KGB and is only one who can kill Archer, but that is NOT her win condition. In this case, and if my assumption about how the Mafia kills is correct, keeping Archer in missions with one other person either wins Town the game or lynches a KGB person after Archer is killed one night.

C) KGB is screwing with us with a no-kill N1. Archer was a random element they didn’t expect, either true or not (see D and E).

D) Ezekel is lying and Town, now this one would be interesting. Self Preservation motive but very anti-town.

E) Ezekel is lying and KGB, thus eliminating the missions as a X-Factor in this game and enabling Mafia to kill whomever they choose.


What’s the KGB motivation?
If I was KGB I’d want to take away the possibility of missions. Too much unknown about who volunteers when and inviting suspicion. In this case A or E would be most likely in my book.

 

[El Topo]

Going through earlier posts, I must say that I cannot provide any tangible evidence for my distrust in players.

Palmer has aggressively pursued me, but that alone is not worthy of distrust, even if I disagree with him (and cabbeh's) poor interpretation of my behaviour. Both have posted a lot, too much for me to go through, I have to applaud Palmer for bothering to go through all of my posts. That said, such activity and exposition is risky, maybe too risky for mafia. At least Palmer had the balls to accuse me, that alone probably puts him off the mafia list. He also seems intent on pushing us all to vote for someone, which (again) is something I think is not the worst idea.

I don't trust Hobohodo, squidyj, Burbeting, as well as several players that have been somewhat inactive, but given that virtually every little post of mine has been twisted into whatever Palmer saw fit, I'd rather not get accused of more "suspicious" behaviour.

If I absolutely had to vote for someone right now, I'd probably vote for squidyj. Just can't shake off the feeling that he's slipping through the cracks.

 

[Haly]

Roy was the only one who mentioned my "safety" other than that my safety hasn't really been a big issue.

Okay, you're right. I went back and realized it was Roy who really pushed the idea.

@roy: I don't think they will kill Ezekel until it becomes unavoidable. As long as we keep him on the mission he's safe. I don't think his role is that strong anyway. He already spilled the beans. KGB will never waste another kill on him and, going by last games' roles, KGB will still win once they're 50:50 with town.

The only other possibility is that this game is capable of ending in a tie, like, 1 town, 1 Ezekel, 2 mafia, and a dead Honeypot.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

Enker ! Such a delicious post! I love it! <3 Will digest it further, you made some really good points though

El Topo, boooooo

:<

All that build up~ All my waiting~ ..... for such a non-committal distrust list :< ... It's not even a list when it has barely any names in it! Picking the inactives as suss list is a cop out strat by now, I think...... And! And, not even a vote to boot :<

SON, AM DISAPPOINT

Vote: El Topo

 

[Zubz]

Very good post, thanks Palmer.

I've mentioned previously here (and possibly as a throwaway in the GAFia thread) that I was very suspicious of El Topo during the D1 voting (and mocked his crisis of confidence mid voting drama). I knew the majority of his posts had been fluff up until that point, but that was when I went from harmless to scummy.

I didn't see the contrast between D1 and the D2 Visualante hate train until you pointed out, also being very suspicious behaviour. Even more rich considering his behaviour at the end of D1.

I'd also like to add this exchange, in response to my list of opinions on everyone:

I'm not sure if his response implies he was going to directly respond to my call out, but I read it as that, and he's continued to post fairly frequently over the day, but not in response to my suspicions. He then deflects onto the mission members.

My current lynch list is looking like this : Septimus Prime, Mazre, El Topo, Seath

Zubz is flirting with the fire by defending a vote on El Topo and some other posts, I'm going to go through them in a bit more detail tonight to get some clarity.

Sorry, I thought that was a mostly-neutral post. I admitted it had some merit, but it also required some reaching to get there. That's just the way I saw it. I'm genuinely surprised people suddenly find me so suspicious. Sorry if I'm coming off this way.

The current volunteers are:

EzekelRage
Mazre
Palmer_V1
El topo
YesNOnoNOYes
Zubz

You and palmer_V1 have already showed interest in unvolunteering to only put one person togheter with Ezekel. So if Mazre, El topo and zubz also agree, we could do it.

I forgot I was in the line-up of volunteers! If Ezekel's right, I'd rather keep him safe. And if Ezekel's pulling some kind of KGB ruse? Well, he's stuck by himself.

Unvolunteer

B)

... You spent an afternoon gathering these, didn't you?

 

[El Topo]

All that build up~ All my waiting~ ..... for such a non-committal distrust list :< ... It's not even a list when it has barely any names in it! Picking the inactives as suss list is a cop out strat by now, I think...... And! And, not even a vote to boot :<

What? I'm sorry, I have defended myself thoroughly against Palmer (and cabbeh), neither of which has even attempted to defend their bullshit accusations, but now I'm the bad guy because I refuse to put up with their schtick? Because of stuff like that posting little is the best strategy.

Fine. I'll give you the following:
NO VOLUNTEER
Vote: squidyj

 

[Ourobolus]

I'll count the "Unvolunteers" for now, but the command is "No Volunteer."

Again, just makes it easier for me to search.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

What? I'm sorry, I have defended myself thoroughly against Palmer (and cabbeh), neither of which has even attempted to defend their bullshit accusations, but now I'm the bad guy because I refuse to put up with their schtick? Because of stuff like that posting little is the best strategy.

Fine. I'll give you the following:
NO VOLUNTEER
Vote: squidyj

That's better :>

But not near enough to get my Sauron eye off you for now..... it's just you said one thing and promised us a suss list but you didn't come good on it... BUT I am reading through this massive novellas of posts and may return shortly with .... sharper stick to poke people with.


Ouro, oh okies! I will use No Volunteer when applicable from now on!

 

[Zubz]

I'll count the "Unvolunteers" for now, but the command is "No Volunteer."

Again, just makes it easier for me to search.

Sorry, boss! My bad.

 

[Ourobolus]

No worries. I know what you meant

 

[Palmer_v1]

So the volunteers are now:

EzekelRage
Mazre
Palmer_V1
Zubz

I don't think we should do 2 people missions, because anything that occurs becomes entirely he-said she-said, which is obviously less than ideal when we have no proof of either side.

Considering how little Mazre ended up posting, 10 out of 73 posts, I would feel better if it was ER, Zubz, and myself. This could also be an opportunity for both Mazre and I to stop down and let it be 3 new people entirely.

Let's resolve this quickly, please.

 

[Ourobolus]

CURRENT VOLUNTEERS
EzekelRAGE
Mazre
Palmer_v1

 

[Palmer_v1]

CURRENT VOLUNTEERS
EzekelRAGE
Mazre
Palmer_v1

Oh.... carry on.

 

[Ourobolus]

Oh.... carry on.

bitch

 

[Ourobolus]

 

[Palmer_v1]

bitch

Just like the old gypsy woman said!

 

[Ourobolus]

Just like the old gypsy woman said!

I <3 u

 

[Palmer_v1]

I <3 u

 

[Palmer_v1]

BTW, I could not find a gypsy woman gif quote for some reason. Seems like a popular line though.

 

[Zubz]

Eh? Cuz I thought we are coming into agreement to send 2 only into the night mission? And if the mission is just chatting with Eze (just the two of us~ so romantic?..... but wait, he's STERLINK ARCHER noooooo), I think I prefer to take a little break from the game and catch up with the DR and Cthulhu threads during our night time.

... Wait a second... I know this is a flavor-y thing, so I'm not going to dig into it, but... Why spell Sterling with a "K?" The only guy in the show who's pronounced Sterling like that was Nikolai Jakov,

Spoiler

former head of the

KGB. I don't think it's a tell, but that is a really weird choice.

Also, in retrospect, it feels like a waste of the whole Mission Mechanic to let Ezekel go alone/with Palmer. Granted, this is hands-down in the Agency's best interest. It just sucks that the mechanic's going to waste, outside of Ezekel and Palmer having what's ultimately a "Lovers"-esque side-thread tonight.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

Ezekel, Mazre and Palmer seems like a good roster for the N2 Mission, I think. There are 3 of them so someone can always verify what the other two were saying if there was needs for verification.... and if Sterling died, then the pool of suspicious candidates are quite nice and tiny :>

OKAY

So I have consumed the GRANDIOSE erotica of steamy lynching goodness. Authored by Palmer, inspired by El Topo, featuring guest star: cabbeh!

This is what I got~ (aside from the glorious heavy breathing, of course)

El Topo, our (reluctant) protagonist identified roytheone as his love interest (lynch candidate) quite early on in the game (#681). However, despite his throbbing desire, he had no supporting cause for his interest. He hoped his fondness (accusation) were sound but he would rather posted first instead of reading if roytheone had made any remarks that may sway his irrefutable affection.

We now got to Chapter 2 (D2 began at #1143), where things are heating up where our protagonist began with a reluctance to love (vote) anyone new because after three days of completely inactive Night Phase, he simply had not thought about the past days (#1175).

Riveting!

By now you can imagine, I'm hooked ! This Palmer really knows how to write erotica for a gal like me~

When our hero got promised me his hot-list of various hot people that may receive his affection, I was at the edge of my seat~ (#1275) ! I wonder who could they be? And why would he choose them! All sorts of speculations were buzzing in my head!

I eagerly turn the pages and read further ^____^

Then something odd... a character that has previously played a incomprehensible gambit put forward his affection (agreement) for our reluctant protagonist!

So now Archer is at risk from the KGB via Honeypot. I say we do as Topo suggested.

Feeling as if I have missed a crucial and delicious tryst between the two, since nothing occured to me immediately, I went back through the pages, wondering what he could possibly be agreeing to.

I was led on a wild goose chase @____@ or I may be optically challenged and I could find nothing concrete except for this:

So...why is no one calling out Palmer and Mazre for being super quick to volunteer (again)? Why is there no focus on former mission members and how they might be Honeypot, given that Ezzi survived? If anything we should attempt to combine the various reasons (posts, posting patterns, voting patterns, mission member status) to come up with suspects.

That said, pretty sure Seath is at least honest about his alignment, even if I'm not convinced he is telling the truth about his abilities. I didn't trust Ezzi at first, but going over his posts and thinking about it have me believe he is honest.

Scratching my head I return my reading, only pausing a little to realise that this Seath character had agreed with El Topo another time, which preceded his suggestion that El Topo's suggestion should be heeded. In any case, they refer back to the same post and they were on the same page, so I suppose it was my own eyes' failing not to have seen it on my first read.

In any case! El Topo went on with his adventures and scoured the vast and gaping maw of the lands of backpages, and he brought back post counts of substance ever since D2 began. This was a great endeavour. I totally sort of admire his Herculean efforts here. Very manly. Much interesting.

(Side note: I was surprised the frequency with which Ezekel had shot up to the top of the highest post counts. Them GIFs have now become an additional fillerly monsters that we all have to endure with)

But!!! Despite his scrutiny, he did not quite register the Fabled Trap of Seath that was pretty much the hugest thing that happened in the previous 24 hours. Real man is not afraid to ask for directions (#1530)!

A good samaritan pointed him towards this particular spectacle, and he came back with ....that it was interesting.

Clearly, he's a man with a way with his words :>. I am not surprised that he'd have fans and adorers. Zubz, for one, seems to be quite keen on our illustrious hero.

As epilogue, cabbeh came with a few chapters on various exciting topics, which I enjoyed greatly. One day cabbeh will be an even greater author than even Palmer. Who occasionally smell slightly of glue.

All in all, great novella! My review's score: 8/10 - Would read again.





A lot of the tone was done in jest, pls not to take srsly :3

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

... Wait a second... I know this is a flavor-y thing, so I'm not going to dig into it, but... Why spell Sterling with a "K?" The only guy in the show who's pronounced Sterling like that was Nikolai Jakov,

Spoiler

former head of the

KGB. I don't think it's a tell, but that is a really weird choice.

Also, in retrospect, it feels like a waste of the whole Mission Mechanic to let Ezekel go alone/with Palmer. Granted, this is hands-down in the Agency's best interest. It just sucks that the mechanic's going to waste, outside of Ezekel and Palmer having what's ultimately a "Lovers"-esque side-thread tonight.

I just saw Season 2 finale last night

Now I know who Katya Kazanova is...... Did she die at the end? No wait, dont spoil meeeeeeee

 

[Darryl]

The reason to vote for him and not you right now, though, is that if you get lynched and turn out to be KGB, there will be suspicion on squidyj, but it could also be played off as dumb luck. If squidyj bites it and turns out to be KGB, though, it sheds new light on why he tried so hard to refocus everyone's attention from GLT onto anyone -------

No this is stupid mafia logic. You evict me or Squidyj and the other one of us will go in the morning.

Volunteer

 

[TheGoddamn]

Dammit, I was working on something (nothing like Palmer's epic El Topo cross examination) but this new development has me irked, so this comes first (phrasing!)

Vote: Darryl

His sudden volunteering-- after a concerted effort by the former volunteers to unvolunteer so we can learn whether Ezekel is telling the truth-- reads incredibly anti-town.

In addition: he might be honeypot. I haven't scoured the D1 posts yet (as to why Ezekel might be the target for the night kill) but Darryl's being on the mission would correspond with Ezekel not being killed on N1. They weren't in the same pool.

Furthermore, my suspicions of Tiger from D1 remain. Not because of his actions or lack thereof (because Darryl is unaccountable for that) but by the sudden Visualante lynch. It was a colossal fuckup, and a good way to look into it is by checking the person who was in the lead before that.


And now to address some of my prods:

TheGoddamn was actually first to point fingers at Zubz, who's now trying to throw suspicion onto squidy. Septimus also joined in on this. Goddamn really stepped up after he was called out on his inactivity and even if he isn't posting a hundred times per day he's still contributing every time. Cabbeh's also picked up the pace and is more convincingly town now. Rapid player growth reads town more than scum.

Thanks! I had more time over the weekend to go over everything, with the free time and the thread being paused. My participation in the final hours of D1 was because I was really starting to get into it-- I mean, D1 ended at 0500h for me and I was still awake. I'm glad for the vote of confidence as a player (even if you are scum in the end).

I really, really, dont mind people with low-activity playstyle, but just need to know if they really are still in the game and being quiet......... or if they're really not in it anymore.

QuantumBro at least gave us a heads up with regards to his future level of participation.... which I totes appreciate :>

I did, too.

Just checking in. I'll be very busy for the next day or so-- work and school

I do keep my phone browser pointed at this thread so I keep updated. That novella of yours was incredibly hard to read, and I have also thought that your posting style could be very well used to hide misinformation/scummy intent. Going to closely read.

Although thanks for calling me out; the relatively slow nature of D2 made me not realized how long it had been since my last post. In my defense, no way would phone mafia have been possible at the 24-hour mark of that post

 

[TheGoddamn]

A counterpoint to my "Darryl is honeypot" conjecture is that his volunteering is way too obvious. But perhaps the KGB are impatient for not killing anyone N1, and when else will the volunteer list clear up so quickly? The chance to kill Archer, who is an incredibly powerful agency player, is irresistible.

And even if the honeypot is "neutral" (which I am inclined to disbelieve), the impatience factor still plays there, as well as the golden opportunity. Access to the mission so late in the day, and given so readily (by the unvolunteers) will likely never happen again.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

Hiii~ So nice to hear from you! :> i likey your posts. But ya, understands that you're busy and so sorry that I didn't notice your disclaimer of busy-ness. I should have searched better :x

My novella? You mean my review ? XD Sorry if it's hard to read, I wrote it out on the go at lunch :> Take your time! i hope you enjoy..... ^_____^

 

[Darryl]

I volunteered because if you guys are dumb enough to day evict Squidy then I'm going to ensure that I'm safe from a night eviction.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

CURRENT VOTE TALLY:

Seath (3)
roytheone
YesNOnoNOYes
Mazre
Seath
Palmer_v1
EzekelRAGE
Haly
Darryl
cabbeh
TheAwesomePossum
Burbeting

squidyj (4)
Zubz
Septimus Prime
Seath
El Topo

El Topo (2)
Palmer_v1
Palmer_v1
YesNOnoNOYes

Darryl (2)
QuantumBro
roytheone
TheGoddamn

cooljeanius (1)
Haly
cabbeh
Haly

Septimus Prime (2)
cabbeh
squidyj

Zubz (1)
Darryl

Mike_Hawk689 (0)
YesNOnoNOYes


No active vote for Day 2:
Arkos
cooljeanius
Enker
EzekelRAGE (has previously voted)
Hobohodo
Mike_Hawk689
Quantumbro (has previously voted)


Day 2 ends:

 

[TheAwesomePossum]

Okay never mind. Darryl volunteering the moment the spot opened up is very suspicious.

VOTE: Darryl

 

[TheAwesomePossum]

Whoops

VOTE: Darryl

 

[Hobohodo]

Purley as I don't think we should be voting out Squidy I'm just going to pop down a vote for the guy in second place.

VOTE: Seath[/QUOTE]

 

[Darryl]

Whoops

VOTE: Darryl

Hell yea. I just explained my reasoning but fuck it, right? Obviously if I wanted the spot I should have waited till the last minute and bitched about how someone else took it.

Since I'm hitting the hot seat I'm gonna throw my vote onto the guy I'm suspicious of that coincidentally also has other people suspicious. Honestly in this game it's hard to spot the scum because there are so many useless players.

Vote:Septimus Prime

 

[cabot]

Anyone who is voting for squidy is definitely suspicious.

I've seen a few people who have

a) believed my townie role claim
b) say my behaviour is consistent with that of a townie

If you believe either point, then why are you voting the guy who brought up a slip up which shows a reasonable (not absolute, but again if you believe it...) proof of town for Arkos and I?

He's voted on Septimus, who I'm sure was taunting me by failing to understand the point I made about his differing day behaviours, and who still appears wildly scummy. The only point that's worth mentioning is squidy being a fair bit quieter during this day phase, which I think is natural after you lead a lynch on a doctor. Still contributing, just avoiding leading for understandable reasons.

YNONOY's sexy retelling of a dramatic encounter pointed some fingers at El Topo and Seath agreeing with each other when Seath has been generating tales from my ass, and I stand by my 'bullshit claims' of Topo, because all he really did was try and lessen his whole 'Day 1 is shit, burn Day 1' mentality, I didn't see an amazing destruction of my post. There was a misunderstanding though, so I guess he won.

Also, He doesn't find Palmer and I suspicious despite going after him pretty hard, and he claims it's all bullshit? What would I have to do to get on your bad side? burn your family? This reads to me as not wanting to go after members who are seen as town by a decent amount of folk, afraid of causing a backlash.

Seath has deceived and done it poorly, leaving a big massive hole where his soul is supposed to be. He's in the sin bin. I'll vote for him today if I have to, but I'd really like to go for Septmus first.

Yes, Septimus that means I want to vote you out. Just to be clear.

 

[roytheone]

Huh, it is kinda refreshing to wake up and only see a couple of posts instead of a whole book. Makes it a lot easier to catch up! Anyway, on to it!

While I think you can be a valuable player (if you stopped posting Archer gifs), I don't think you're so important that we have to bend over backwards to keep you safe. You're on the mission, and you're practically invincible. That's enough isn't it?

Also, in retrospect, it feels like a waste of the whole Mission Mechanic to let Ezekel go alone/with Palmer. Granted, this is hands-down in the Agency's best interest. It just sucks that the mechanic's going to waste, outside of Ezekel and Palmer having what's ultimately a "Lovers"-esque side-thread tonight.

The main reason that I suggested the smaller team idea was to at least do something with the mission system. Before my idea, 4 people would just go on the mission, pretty much all with the argument of: "on a mission I am safer!", and they most likely wouldn't use the chat a lot again because they didn't trust each other enough. That would not benefit town at all, and would waste the whole mechanic even more in my opinion. I am not saying we have to keep protecting Ezekel this way throughout the whole game, and if events later in the game make it so that a different mission team composition is preferable we defiantly should change it, but right now I think this is the best way to use the system.

No this is stupid mafia logic. You evict me or Squidyj and the other one of us will go in the morning.

Volunteer

But then this happened and Darryl basically made the whole discussion pointless. I am very curious why he did this, maybe he is:

A townie that is afraid to be night killed. Possible, but his actions will place a lot of suspicion on him and it will reignite the whole mission debate just as we managed to sort it out. Even if he was town, he is acting purely out of self preservation and against the town interest.

He is KGB, maybe even honeypot that want to kill Ezekel This would be a one way suicide mission, because if Ezekel ends up death, Darryl with his late volunteering against the group concession would mean he is pretty much guaranteed to be lynched on day 3. He could also be a normal KGB member that only wants to watch the chat and don't assassinate anyone.

He is third party honeypot with the win condition to kill Ezekel This is the case that his claim is most logical. He didn't know Ezekel was archer at the start of the day, so he didn't volunteer for the mission. After the role claim, he couldn't suddenly volunteer and be put on the waiting list, that would be very suspicious and he probably wouldn't make it in anyway. But now he sees a chance to get on the mission, kill Ezekel and leave the game as a neutral winner, being outed wouldn't matter jack shit for him in that case.

I don't really know which one of these possibilities is the truth, but all of them point to Darryl being bad for town, even if he turns out to not be KGB. So I will defiantly stick with my vote for now.

Also, my voting preference currently are: Darryl>Seath>Squid. So if it end up to be Seath VS Squid I will switch to Seath.

 

[Darryl]

I just explained why I did it. If Squidyj goes then I'm the obvious night eviction target because people have linked us together. I'm staying safe. I know I'm town, so I'm acting in towns interest by volunteering. I hope everyone that has currently volunteered stays volunteered.

Mafia afraid the mission will last the night and they'll run out of talking points? It is almost surreal that EzekelRage's role claim is taken by some people without hesitation and now we have skipped a whole level of necessary skepticism and people are ready to hair trigger evict people who might threaten said potential role claim.

Either people acting novice as fuck or creating stumbling posts from a place of higher information.

 

[El Topo]

Here's the thing YNNNY: If I applied Palmer's criteria, I could easily find all sorts of inconsistencies and "suspicious" behaviour, but I don't think any of it is sufficient at this point. Heck, Palmer himself has shown (and admitted) all sorts of suspicious, contradictory (and selfish) behaviour and if I applied his own criteria on him, he would seem incredibly suspicious (but I don't because I think those are crap). If I happened to find a mafia player this way, it's probably more because of luck than my detective skills.

If we ignore all this noise, the only real suspects so far* are those that role-claimed and maybe those that are going on a mission again.

*It seems something happened while typing this though.

I don't think Palmer is guilty, although his behaviour is definitely weird (given how highly I think of him), I am willing to (for now) believe Ezzi about his role and Seath about his neutrality, although admittedly Seath's behaviour has been very weird. Maybe it's just a really strange role he has. That leaves Mazre, cabbeh and apparently Arkos, whose role claim I must have missed.

Cabbeh has been posting a lot and there is no reason for suspicion. No idea about Arkos. Mazre is an obvious candidate for suspicion, not posting a lot, going on a mission again, but he could just be a power role (same possibility with Palmer), in which case his behaviour makes sense (unlike Palmer's).

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

El Topo, generally, I'm not disagreeing with your general thrust of things there but I don't really like ... uh, your flakeyness for lack of better words.

You seems to be one of those players that dangle stuffs and says stuffs and then not bring the goodies..... with <insert reasons> here. I mean, you told cabbeh that you were going to explain things to him then you didnt, even though you're pretty active that day.

And, for whatever reasons (not that anyone prompted you to), you also said that you had some names that you are suspicious of, and that you were going to post them, but then you didn't actually have any concrete things to say when you 'go back and examine' the pages.

It sort of reads like... your approach is basically posting "town sounding but never quite town delivering" posts.

IN SHORT: Not sayin' that you are scum, but saying that you haven't added much value to the Agency. And that might sound harsh but there it is~

 

[Hobohodo]

I just explained why I did it. If Squidyj goes then I'm the obvious night eviction target because people have linked us together..

So can I check I'm following your lines of thought here, as I'm not 100% on why you feel the mafia will kill you off if we vote squidy out purely as some players have tied you to Squidy. The only way I could see it is this but it feels a bit of a stretch on my mind.

1) Squidy gets voted out today (I bloody hope not) turns out to be town.
2) Players have been trying to link you and squidy together, as squidy has been shown as town all those ideas are out the window.
3) This may result in you being seen as town now, potentially removing you from the suspect pool in subsequent days.
4) Feeling its going to be hard to pressure a lynch on you in the future, mafia take you out at night.

So can yah clarify for me.

 

[Darryl]

So can I check I'm following your lines of thought here, as I'm not 100% on why you feel the mafia will kill you off if we vote squidy out purely as some players have tied you to Squidy. The only way I could see it is this but it feels a bit of a stretch on my mind.

1) Squidy gets voted out today (I bloody hope not)

Spoiler

Why was this important to include?

turns out to be town.
2) Players have been trying to link you and squidy together, as squidy has been shown as town all those ideas are out the window.
3) This may result in you being seen as town now, potentially removing you from the suspect pool in subsequent days.
4) Feeling its going to be hard to pressure a lynch on you in the future, mafia take you out at night.

So can yah clarify for me.

Yes. It was going to happen pretty inevitably so obviously I had to make a big fucking deal out of it and piss off a lot of people. Your message is curious, though, in that it's worded instead to discredit my defense while avoiding direct confrontation. Are you standing up for someone but don't want to be attached? Were you really curious about why I volunteered?

 

[Hobohodo]

Yes. It was going to happen pretty inevitably so obviously I had to make a big fucking deal out of it and piss off a lot of people. Your message is curious, though, in that it's worded instead to discredit my defense while avoiding direct confrontation. Are you standing up for someone but don't want to be attached? Were you really curious about why I volunteered?

I worded it that way as it's not how I would see things if I was in your position. It doesn't seem to me like the four people currently voting Squidy, who are the ones who have tied you together, are the kind of posters to really lead a lynch and convince the rest of town. I feel that those are the ones who would have the biggest change of opinion of you if Squidy was revealed as town (point 3) but the rest of us who haven't tied your fates together won't see it as such a big deal. So if I was in your shoes I would t feel my life was on the line if squidy went down, hence I said it seemed a bot of a stretch to me and was s bit dismissive of the idea. However you may see it differently and so I wasn't confrontational as its not s completely baseless theory, just one I wouldn't have.

In all honesty the fact that this was linked to you volunteering wasn't even in my mind when I typed that up, I just wanted to understand your position in regards to you and squidy, which I now do. I see no issue with you volunteering if you feel your safety is at risk, and AC shows your a crafty player so you could be considered high priority.

As for 'I bloody hope not' I just wanted to make clear my stance on a Squidy lynch today. Currently I wouldn't support that.

 

[Hobohodo]

But it wasn't really? Especially not with me pushing that agenda like Hobo is making it seem like. Roy was the only one who mentioned my "safety" other than that my safety hasn't really been a big issue. I think one of the main reason ppl suggested limiting who goes on a mission is to more easily pinpoint my killer with a possible side benefit of a person being more talkative on a mission.

So yeah apologies are in order. I could have sworn you had been pushing a safety angle but looking back through all your posts again your right, it never really comes up. I am also slightly more trusting now as I noticed this post prior to the role claim.

For a safety net. I sacrifice myself know that if I am killed on a mission, that the remaining spies will be able to pinpoint who among the three carried out the kill. So I volunteer for the better of this agency and dont you ever question it!

This post came just ten minutes after the day had started, 25 mins before the role claim. it also lines up with the plan that was given later on. it could be argued that this only gave ten minutes to come up with it all which seems a push. Especially as there was no need to rush. So yeah, a little bit happier regarding Ezekel now.

 

[cabot]

My attempt to play devils advocate with myself about this situation.

Known Facts
Nobody died N1
The Doctor couldn’t “protect from beyond the grave” after we lynched him.
KGB kill as a group and one person PMs the kill order
At least 3 KGB based on starting player total. This is like a “normal” Mafia game if they outnumber us they win.

“Assumed”


Ouro considers it a “Honeypot” kill if the Honeypot is in the same group as those ordering the kill (option B here is that the Honeypot must message the kill to Ouro).

I've moved what was under 'Assumed' to what I believe is confirmed.

The single kill order to represent the group is what the system was in previous GAFia games, and we're going from that template. Also, in AC there was a silent killer role, which would not be tracked if the kill order was sent by a specific player. This will debunk your 'Assumed' Honeypot theory and that's why I've used strikethrough. The outnumber rule is also part of the original GAFia template.

Master Ouro please correct any misinformation I have spread if present.

 

[cabot]

Also a vote would be nice, Enker!

 

[Ourobolus]

All actions are associated with whomever PMs me a command.

 

[El Topo]

IN SHORT: Not sayin' that you are scum, but saying that you haven't added much value to the Agency. And that might sound harsh but there it is~

I find it unfair that I get flak for that, given that we have several players (Palmer, cabbeh) that go around throwing out baseless suspicions, players that have role revealed/claimed, players that seem utterly desperate to go on mission (again).

I would say that throwing out false suspicions harms town, but apparently you and others think that it's fine to accuse others based on random posts. Hey, have you seen Palmer's and cabbeh's response to my defense, where I pointed out how stupid (or downright false) some of their accusations are? Because I haven't seen any of them admit errors or guilt regarding some of the crap they threw at me. They accuse me, then move on.

Again, I don't even think they're (both) mafia, I just don't think that kind of strategy is going to get us far.

 

[cabot]

What? I'm sorry, I have defended myself thoroughly against Palmer (and cabbeh), neither of which has even attempted to defend their bullshit accusations, but now I'm the bad guy because I refuse to put up with their schtick? Because of stuff like that posting little is the best strategy.

Fine. I'll give you the following:
NO VOLUNTEER
Vote: squidyj

What do you want me to say? I answered the one question you asked in response to my points, and it turned out I misunderstood what you said. The rest were not probing any direct questions from me, and I didn't agree with most of it. So I still don't trust you, and I don't think that's going to change currently.

You're not high on my list today, hence I haven't taken any further action.

 

[cabot]

Apologies for the highlight in quote

 

[Haly]

If Darryl really wanted to get Ezekel he would've volunteered much faster. I counted a whole 4 hours before anyone took the spot.

I'm still very curious why YesNo unvolunteered and even more curious why she didn't volunteer when we had a slot open. Loss of interest?

Then again I'm sure most people refrained from volunteering precisely because they'd stand out like Darryl is now. I'm starting to see the conundrum of the missions. Interacting with it in any can be read as suspicious activity so most people won't.