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[enigmatic_alex44]

Another L & W thread

I've come to the conclusion Lights and Waves really loves Final Fantasy.
Or at least discussing it

 

[vainglorious]

Wat

There's tons of stuff about her on Oh No They Didn't and Jezebel describing an awful history of being sexually abused but because of that trauma she engages in some... disturbing behavior. This is such a thread derail but this stuff is a quick google search away if people are interested.

 

[Ivan Amiibo]

Vanille is not even cognitively developed enough yet to consent to a relationship

look at how she runs

 

[_woLf]

Everybody keeps saying that. Is it fine if I skip XIII-2 and go straight to LR?

If all you're concerned about is Fang and Vanille, sure. But XIII-2 is a fantastic game with lots of story tidbits mixed into the time travel madness.

 

[Supermanisdead]

What makes her not-21?

she's 521

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[QisTopTier]

I always viewed them more like big sister little sister. *shrug*

 

[cerulily]

Vanille is not even cognitively developed enough yet to consent to a relationship

look at how she runs

I run like that all the time >_>

 

[Langdon Alger]

Vanille is not even cognitively developed enough yet to consent to a relationship

look at how she runs

Yuna runs the same way.

 

[uncredited male]

Yuna runs the same way.

I wouldn't trust Yuna to flush a toilet without screwing it up.

SE needs to get LR on Steam already.

 

[R.D.Blax]

I never played the game but I know it's canon

 

[Lights and Waves]

Alright, OP. You're just gonna have to accept that this thread is about your gay Sephiroth claim now.

Genuinely curious. What on earth in FF7's entirety gave you that impression?

Sephiroth was the poster child for yaoi in the 90s. His very feminine appearance set off a red flag.

Additionally, Sephiroth spends a great deal of the game struggling with his "otherness," which is one of the most common troupes of gay characters in fiction.

 

[PataHikari]

Vanille is not even cognitively developed enough yet to consent to a relationship

look at how she runs

That's how 'feminine" girls are supposed to run in Japanese media for some bizarre reason.

Spoiler

Then again a lot of Japanese standards of femininity basically amount to infantilizing them soo...

 

[KojiKnight]

Seemed very obvious to me that they were... but maybe that's just my impression because I know a lot of LBGT couples.

 

[Corpekata]

The ending embrace with them holding hands is preeeeety gay at least. That whole pose and interlocking fingers, doesn't strike me as something you see for sister or even friend type characters often. I have seen the interlocking fingers thing in other JRPG and anime but it's usually in stuff that's trying to be suggestive or fanservicey.

 

[Zafir]

I dunno I always saw it as sisterly. Didn't think anything of it until a friend actually said about it to me.

It's ambiguous either way so I don't think it really be considered canon.

I for one am glad it wasn't Neptune and Uranus all over again. Watching the SM dub was just hilarious because of the changes. They're totally cousins.... who just happen to look that way at each other.

 

[Kinyou]

The ending embrace with them holding hands is preeeeety gay at least. That whole pose and interlocking fingers, doesn't strike me as something you see for sister or even friend type characters often. I have seen the interlocking fingers thing in other JRPG and anime but it's usually in stuff that's trying to be suggestive or fanservicey.

Somehow I had to think of senor chang when I read that


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXw6znXPfy4

 

[enigmatic_alex44]

I for one am glad it wasn't Neptune and Uranus all over again. Watching the SM dub was just hilarious because of the changes. They're totally cousins.... who just happen to look that way at each other.

Lord the SM dub was an absolute train wreck

I can't even imagine what they would have done to the Sailor Starlights if the final season Stars had come over here :/

 

[Hedge]

I always saw them as acting sisterly. I don't know, but they don't seem very couple-y.

 

[Shard]

Officially probably not, unofficially probably yes.

 

[Pro]

The ending embrace with them holding hands is preeeeety gay at least. That whole pose and interlocking fingers, doesn't strike me as something you see for sister or even friend type characters often. I have seen the interlocking fingers thing in other JRPG and anime but it's usually in stuff that's trying to be suggestive or fanservicey.

You can't see family interlocking fingers right before an inevitable moment of death? It's not like they were crystallized in the scissor position or something.

 

[Hakkesshu]

If one of them was a man it would never even remotely be a question so yes obviously they are lovers

 

[rhandino]

God knows what kind of secret fiction Toriyama has on these two characters buried away on his computer... *shudder*

There's just something about Lightning

It's hard to explain

She's like a rose

I'm staring at a rose right now and I'm just thinking how similar it is to Lightning

Passion oozing

Can strike you and make you bleed if you're not careful

Fragile, yet fierce

Pure beauty

 

[enigmatic_alex44]

There's just something about Lightning

It's hard to explain

She's like a rose

I'm staring at a rose right now and I'm just thinking how similar it is to Lightning

Passion oozing

Can strike you and make you bleed if you're not careful

Fragile, yet fierce

Pure beauty

LOL I know you're joking sis but Lightning >>>>>

 

[Corpekata]

You can't see family interlocking fingers right before an inevitable moment of death? It's not like they were crystallized in the scissor position or something.

Can I see Sazh and Dajh in that same pose? Honestly not really.

 

[Pro]

Can I see Sazh and Dajh in that same pose? Honestly not really.

Maybe not in the Ying Yang type womb setup they were in but holding hands I could. I could see Serah and Lightning in that same position.

 

[rhandino]

Officially probably not, unofficially probably yes.

Weeeell, in the Epilogue novel of Lightning Returns

Spoiler

they ended up living together

LOL I know you're joking sis but Lightning >>>>>

Did you lie? She is my 3rd FF fave after Terra and Celes =P

 

[Mesoian]

I took out the Sephiroth bit from the OP before anyone else go their masculinity bruised. Now, back to the topic at hand.

Sure.

And yes, it was basically canon, but didn't matter because their relationship is assassinated in the same way that Lightning's personality is assassinated. Through poor storytelling and deeming character elements unnecessary because it doesn't serve the plot.

 

[Illucio]

I always imagined their relationship as Big sister and Little Sister. Fang originally written as a male just makes me believe they originally had the Big Brother/Little Sister motif until they changed Fang female so there would be 3 males/females in the game. (Yes they aren't actually Brother and Sister, but they treat themselves and the people of their village in Pulse as their family.)

 

[zeopower6]

Lord the SM dub was an absolute train wreck

I can't even imagine what they would have done to the Sailor Starlights if the final season Stars had come over here :/

Photoshop the boy forms!

 

[JackelZXA]

Not trolling, but when I saw this thread title I initially thought it was going to be some Sonic fanfiction about Fang the Sniper and Vanille the Rabbit (actual Sonic characters).


So you can imagine I was incredibly relieved to see that it was just about ff13.

 

[Sephiroth_VII]

Sephiroth was the poster child for yaoi in the 90s. His very feminine appearance set off a red flag.

Additionally, Sephiroth spends a great deal of the game struggling with his "otherness," which is one of the most common troupes of gay characters in fiction.

You could also interpret this feeling otherness to be the result of him being a mutated super soldier, who believes he is descended from a completely different type of humanoids, who were wiped out by the current inhabitants of the planet.

Nah, that'd be silly. He probably just has a man-crush on Cloud.

 

[Mabufu]

Vanille is actually one of the worst things that came out of FF 13 : /

 

[Mr_Antimatter]

Fang is such a great character who gets no love.

Vanille is such a terrible character who gets way too much love.

Vanille is fine, it's just, the game cut so much of their characterization out of gameplay and stuck it in the logs.

I mean heck, Vanille is

Spoiler

a happy, playful fisherman who was ordered to commit genocide. She broke under the pressure and horror of what she was asked to do, and ran. She's still running, and everyone and their brother is getting dragged in as a result. She spends the game one step away from suicidal depression, hiding it under a mask of cheerfulness.

 

[Ratrat]

As canon as Sam and Lara.

 

[Gentleman Jack]

Vanille is actually one of the worst things that came out of FF 13 : /

Along with Snow, Hope, Serah, and Lightning, sure.

 

[Lynx_7]

It's canon for me.

Spoiler

Also, wasn't it confirmed Fang was gonna be a guy and have a relationship with Vanille or something?

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Vanille is fine, it's just, the game cut so much of their characterization out of gameplay and stuck it in the logs.

I mean heck, Vanille is

Spoiler

a happy, playful fisherman who was ordered to commit genocide. She broke under the pressure and horror of what she was asked to do, and ran. She's still running, and everyone and their brother is getting dragged in as a result. She spends the game one step away from suicidal depression, hiding it under a mask of cheerfulness.

That's not cliché at all.

 

[Mr_Antimatter]

That's not cliché at all.

What other games have a similar plot that makes it cliche?

 

[BadWolf]

Vanille is fine, it's just, the game cut so much of their characterization out of gameplay and stuck it in the logs.

I mean heck, Vanille is

Spoiler

a happy, playful fisherman who was ordered to commit genocide. She broke under the pressure and horror of what she was asked to do, and ran. She's still running, and everyone and their brother is getting dragged in as a result. She spends the game one step away from suicidal depression, hiding it under a mask of cheerfulness.

The story for XIII is actually pretty interesting and the set up is rather unique, if you read up through outside sources.

It's just unfortunate that they did such a lackluster job of actually telling it in the game.

 

[ffdgh]

Not...sure honestly but leaning towards yes.

 

[Daingurse]

I think they were a couple, but I couldn't personally stand Vanille. Fang however was one of the few highlights of FFXIII.

 

[Athreous]

You dirty perverts!

It's a big sister / lil sister love and not what you are thinking about...

 

[Regiruler]

What's that thing in the 3rd panel? Reminds me of enemy designs from Bayonetta.

 

[fedexpeon]

After playing FF: LR, yes.
Fang went crazy against you.

 

[ffdgh]

What's that thing in the 3rd panel? Reminds me of enemy designs from Bayonetta.

Spoiler

final boss. Orphan

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

They're just sisters

This lesbian lover thing comes from shit localization and fanboy delusions

 

[BadWolf]

They're just sisters

This lesbian lover thing comes from shit localization and fanboy delusions

They aren't sisters.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

They aren't sisters.

Masterful rebuttal.

Oerba Yun Fang
Oerba Dia Vanille

I've never played the English version so I don't know what liberties were taken with the story, but in the Japanese version it is plainly stated numerous times that they are sisters. I never even heard of people needing them to be lesbian lovers until Gaf

 

[BadWolf]

Masterful rebuttal.

Oerba Yun Fang
Oerba Dia Vanille

I've never played the English versus so I don't know what liberties were taken with the story, but in the Japanese version it is plainly stated numerous times that they are sisters. I never even heard of people needing them to be lesbian lovers until Gaf

As mentioned earlier in the thread, Oerba is their home town. It's not their last name.

Yun and Dia are their clan names.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

What other games have a similar plot that makes it cliche?

Aerith and Cait Sith from FFVII, Tidus from FFX after he learns his fate and hides it, Harle and Radius from Chrono Cross, Aerie from Baldur's Gate II, etc. Even Locke from FFVI to some extent.