Spoiled Milk
Banned
Sorry for triple post but just to reaffirm the above, Makai from Star Wars told me that the reason they went after Palmer so hard was because a night kill failed and they thought he was SK.
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Archer [Mafia] |OT| Wait, I Had Something For This
- Thread starter Ourobolus
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Spoiled Milk
Banned
UNVOTE: squiddyj
FUCK. Why would a mafia member sacrifice himself like that? It doesn't make any goddamned sense.
VOTE: Haly
Haly, now is the time to roleclaim.
FUCK. Why would a mafia member sacrifice himself like that? It doesn't make any goddamned sense.
VOTE: Haly
Haly, now is the time to roleclaim.
The pressure might be getting to you m8.
Just remember this puts us at 6 on Haly and I don't want to end early, at least not THIS early.
Spoiled Milk
Banned
Haly. What is your role?
I think we just got done saying that role claiming was a bad idea. Plus, Haly has no incentive to tell us until it is life or death time, and theres not enough votes on him for that.
Im not about to add to that tally either at this time. If I vote for him itll be Tuesday night.
I just wish he'd post more. I don't get a scum vibe off him. Although I do wish he'd just fucking post more. If he gets day nor night lynched we have next to nothing to go off of with him anymore. I hope he'd come through with some more reads at least.
I'm going to try to pretend to be outside myself and pretend I don't have a check. The rest of this post is wretten from this viewpoint.
I don't really like this claim, it's possible that Haly is legitimately drone but it's also basically the only town-sided claim he can actually make. In the AC mafia game town had generic role names so before we knew who the mafia were mafia were able to cook up any role they wanted. It's not like that in this game. In this game if you claim Lana, or Archer, or, hell, even Brett Bunsen, you open yourself up to being counterclaimed quite easily. So if you're mafia and you're called out, what can you really do? Maybe you could have claimed Krieger and leaned on the clone thing but we're down 2 kriegers already so even that likely won't fly.
long story short I expect every mafia that's called out to claim drone. pr potentially a minor character like Bilbo.
Mafia's gonna know what I am since Haly is one of them. If we get him lynched do you really think mafia is going to wait for town to mislynch me? No. I fucked up real good and stupid.
I stand by my earlier stance of always having a vote active as well.
Vote: Mazre
I'll go through his posts and try to summarize why later. Mostly his desire to be on 4 missions is really weird, cause I don't feel like he's done anything useful.
He's not high profile enough to be an early target. If he has a power role, hiding with it on a mission for the entire game is probably not super helpful. If he's an Ordinary Drone, he's not helping us enough(or at all?) during the day, and doesn't deserve special protection.
That's all assuming I don't find anything more scummy when I comb through his posts.
Vote: Mazre
I'll go through his posts and try to summarize why later. Mostly his desire to be on 4 missions is really weird, cause I don't feel like he's done anything useful.
He's not high profile enough to be an early target. If he has a power role, hiding with it on a mission for the entire game is probably not super helpful. If he's an Ordinary Drone, he's not helping us enough(or at all?) during the day, and doesn't deserve special protection.
That's all assuming I don't find anything more scummy when I comb through his posts.
Spoiled Milk
Banned
We have a cop claiming someone is mafia, and the subject claiming drone. I'm going to politely ask you to pick one of those two.
TheGoddamn
Member
Here's my read on squid's roleclaim said, and why I think he is telling the truth despite his trap (??? squid, could you elaborate on this further? You deliberately gave four reads so that you could read the people who would catch this mistake?
or his fuckup.
Emphasis mine. In this weird temporal place that squid's mind was in, he was on Day 5, as evidenced in his check-list:
If he was on Day 5, that means he was, at least, consistent in his accounting for Haly's check in both posts-- "the night before last" matches with the N3 Haly mafia check.
Does that even make sense?
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Seath is someone we can table for now. What we learned from El Topo's death means that he is likely neutral; Seath is the very first person in this game who used the term "unaligned", which is what El Topo was revealed to be.
He claims that this is his win condition:
If he really is neutral, I think that this is the truth, or not too far from it. It also explains the lack of additional kills. We know that there's a role blocker about, and their actions are pretty pro-town.
We've had two nights where no one was night evicted. N1 can be chalked up to roy or Ezekel's alleged being Archer.
On N2, El Topo killed roy, and the KGB killed Burbeting.
On N3, no one died again. So we either have had very good roleblockers (or doctors), or Ezekel. Or... the mafia are messing with us or they can only kill every other night? What?
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Kristoffer, I don't really believe in policy lynching especially when we have tangible people to be suspicious of. However, (obviously I don't want to be lynched) I do believe there are better candidates to policy lynch for not keeping up. Arkos didn't even know that Burbeting was dead, two days on
nor did he realize that D3 ended prematurely
Not to mention Septimus. Post count isn't everything. Kris, your posts are very informative (and I agreed with your Ezekel mission plan), but you may have shown some "bad logic and intense aggro", particularly in the order in which squidy and Haly should be lynched, considering what we know about the situation (I know that you changed your vote to Haly, but your original reasoning seemed unsound).
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D3 ended too early for me to react, but thank you, cabbeh and YNNNY for the props, haha. My mockery of El Topo's role was ultimately unfounded, but it was fun to do. Who would've thought that Ourobolus was that kooky?
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or his fuckup.
Emphasis mine. In this weird temporal place that squid's mind was in, he was on Day 5, as evidenced in his check-list:
If he was on Day 5, that means he was, at least, consistent in his accounting for Haly's check in both posts-- "the night before last" matches with the N3 Haly mafia check.
Does that even make sense?
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Seath is someone we can table for now. What we learned from El Topo's death means that he is likely neutral; Seath is the very first person in this game who used the term "unaligned", which is what El Topo was revealed to be.
He claims that this is his win condition:
If he really is neutral, I think that this is the truth, or not too far from it. It also explains the lack of additional kills. We know that there's a role blocker about, and their actions are pretty pro-town.
We've had two nights where no one was night evicted. N1 can be chalked up to roy or Ezekel's alleged being Archer.
On N2, El Topo killed roy, and the KGB killed Burbeting.
On N3, no one died again. So we either have had very good roleblockers (or doctors), or Ezekel. Or... the mafia are messing with us or they can only kill every other night? What?
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Kristoffer, I don't really believe in policy lynching especially when we have tangible people to be suspicious of. However, (obviously I don't want to be lynched) I do believe there are better candidates to policy lynch for not keeping up. Arkos didn't even know that Burbeting was dead, two days on
nor did he realize that D3 ended prematurely
Not to mention Septimus. Post count isn't everything. Kris, your posts are very informative (and I agreed with your Ezekel mission plan), but you may have shown some "bad logic and intense aggro", particularly in the order in which squidy and Haly should be lynched, considering what we know about the situation (I know that you changed your vote to Haly, but your original reasoning seemed unsound).
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D3 ended too early for me to react, but thank you, cabbeh and YNNNY for the props, haha. My mockery of El Topo's role was ultimately unfounded, but it was fun to do. Who would've thought that Ourobolus was that kooky?
TheGoddamn
Member
I'm saying that your stupidity or brainfart or whatever was at least consistent in your placement of Haly's check, time-wise.
Kris and Darryl, thanks for the notice. I have a bad habit of not speaking up unless I have something to say. Gotta get over my politeness.
Kris and Darryl, thanks for the notice. I have a bad habit of not speaking up unless I have something to say. Gotta get over my politeness.
What did he claim?
EzekelRAGE
Member
Ron Cadillac, he wouldn't mention what his role does. Doesn't matter at this point, because he said it was all lies.
Spoiled Milk
Banned
Yo. You're alright in my book.
How do you feel about him and palmer?
EzekelRAGE
Member
Palmer - IDK, seems neutral, I dont get any scum reads.
Squidy - The 4 night thing was weird as hell. Seems to be willing to sacrifice himself/role for Haly. I could slightly see the point since it's day 4 and we have nothing to go on yet.
I hate being used as a prop by fake Cops, so I'm a bit concerned about the direction this is going. I feel more strongly about other issues for now though.
I'd let it slide for the time being.
Since we couldn't talk last night, what are your reads overall? hobo, haly, or any others you feel strongly about?
Arkos
Nose how to spell and rede to
Just read through my last handful of posts. Jesus. I'm growingly getting concerned about you.
Gorlak volunteered immediately (wow such preperation. I didn't even realize how volunteering worked until I was a few posts in) then proceeds to just disappear. Comes off as prearranged scummery. Simple counter argument can be created by any mafia group by saying "darryl did it too, he's scummy right?".
QuantumBros, Haly, Palmer, Hobohodo have been active yet aloof. They're here but they like the direction the game is going. The losing direction. Quantum the least of the 4.
Kris is very disruptive. Yolo playstyle?
QuantumBros, Haly, Palmer, Hobohodo have been active yet aloof. They're here but they like the direction the game is going. The losing direction. Quantum the least of the 4.
Kris is very disruptive. Yolo playstyle?
TheGoddamn
Member
Jesus Christ, Darryl! Let me get a full night of sleep already. I'm on european time, you know. All of this in less then half a day...
As you can see here: #2470 I had more than two full days to catch up on reading and getting to know those "oh so complicated" missions mechanics. Simply putting the word volunteer in highlight tags was beyond you? We are already on Day4, there were enough examples of how it works. The way I see it: A place on the missions is a safe place as numerous persons, including you, have said. I don't see how those places should be given to the same persons again and again, unless we know they need protection. Similar to cabbeh I want to look at Ezekel's claim again (I do have to read the thread with this in mind again, luckily we have a lot of time till night) Without volunteering, Eze would be on mission and discussion would occure (if at all) without any pressure on Eze.
In addition maybe I'm not aware of some previous discussions, but why is Mazre on missions 4th time in a row and you, Darryl, are coming for me? Is it a known fact that Mazre is pro town? If so can someone kindly explain please. Mazre why are you on every mission?
In general I simply want to know if people think there are people who should be on mission. Why should I be any less suitable for a mission? I can unvolunteer anytime, but for the time being I'll stay.
I am on everyone's ignore list, I feel I make my posts covering people and they don't read them?
Don't deflect onto Mazre you suspicious fuck. Nothing I called you out for (being there first minute to get a spot while waiting forever to chime in on anything) has anything to do with Mazre. All this attention on Mazre in itself is incredibly curious.
And yea Enker, cabbeh gave a solid once over on you that was very nice.
And yea Enker, cabbeh gave a solid once over on you that was very nice.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay you speaketh moar than possum :>
i like you (so far) gorlak
i think squidy and ezekel should go back into the mission roster, so squidy can inves ER's claim for realz ..... this is assuming he is legit cop~ but that fact will be found out conclusively with Haly's flip so I think we should consider putting squidy into the mission if only for tonight (just in case he's really our cop, guize)
Cuz, speaking from personal experience..... in SW, i remember Setre was supppppeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrr suspicious cuz he botched his roleclaim and i think he thought he was Cop even though what he was,......... was a motion detector. But yesh, we gave him a chance and took up the lead he gave us and that was how we got our first Mafia lynch in there!
IDK though. im open to hearing ur thoughts. I have to say I didn't expect the fabulous <3 N3 results so I'm feelin' a bit caught off guard (pleasantly so). 3rd Krieger clone / blockie person, whoever you are, you're doing a great job ^_____^
cabbeh, you are not on my ignore list yooooooooo *pokes you*
you and arkos are still very pretty to me Don't really know what you were going for with the squidy theory, I know you've tried to explain it further but it seemed like unnecessary confusion more than anything. It's also wrong, because I posted last night highlighting how squidy voted haly out of the blue not too long into D3, which points to him investigating him on N2.
I'm glad someone picked up what I was referring to with Kris' bad logic (sadly not himself despite replying to my post summarising it but ignoring the one where I made the point). Yes, it was in reference to your belief that Haly was being bussed. It would make no sense to go for the alleged busser who's claiming cop (with almost no pressure on him) instead of the bussee who he chose.
I did also cover this, but Roy was no doubt slaughtered by El Topo. His second role claim (which on reading now is A LOT more honest) has him admitting he killed Roy N2 after failing to on N1. That led me to believe his win condition for killing three was a failure, and his only way to win was to survive the game. Pointless conjecture in the end, so I'll just stop the train of thought there.
Seath is a massive question mark. Which is funny, because his avatar is actually a massive question mark. I'd like him to be pressured into revealing more of his role. We have sussed that he's neutral, but his weird squidy 'gotcha' worked pretty well in making him able to go completely under the radar even though he could be a danger. He doesn't seem to have any kill ability, but there may be an outside chance of a 3P HP. I'll like him to expand more on his role and therefore for now:
VOTE: Seath
Yeeny, I'm glad you haven't ignored, what kind of cupid would I be if my target had me on ignore!
You're right about this, but Mazre is getting by without too much, I'm awaiting Palmer's analysis on him, because I tried to get a read before and I really didn't get much of anything.
Mazre gave the reason of volunteering for all missions so he could preserve the chat log.
Sounds like a nice idea in theory but considering there was a role claim in there last night and it only came out because of squidy's subsequent role claim, I'm having a hard time finding the usefulness of keeping these logs.
Am I missing something? Darryl please look at the TOS concerning language. I don't know why you have to be this hostile, but it's nothing I can change anyways.
I have 2 posts and you are going full rage, why? I told you my motivation for volunteering, if you have a problem with that, k. thanks, bye.
I seriously have to check the talk about missions thus far, could take while.
I have 2 posts and you are going full rage, why? I told you my motivation for volunteering, if you have a problem with that, k. thanks, bye.
I seriously have to check the talk about missions thus far, could take while.
Yo Gorlak, that's just Darryl, buddy.
Think of him as a massive man crushing bull and you're a beautiful red flag flowing in the wind.
I don't envy your position!
TheGoddamn
Member
This is a good idea. If squidy really is the cop, he can easily get night killed.
To test squidy's cop claim, we do two things:
1. Lynch Haly. (I explained this in the second section of a previous post)
2. Put squid and Ezekel on a mission (with others if necessary), and have squid investigate Ezekel. This second step is a multi-purpose move-- it will test both their roleclaims, and if squid really is cop, it keeps him relatively safe. There is another benefit: the cop is a huge target for mafia, and if squid dies in the night, our list of suspects is convenient and manageable.
If Haly is actually town, we lynch squid tomorrow, and we still eliminate a KGB for the price of Haly, who claims to be an ordinary drone.
Given what has been claimed so far re: roles, this is unequivocally the best move for town today.
Now if a new development occurred... things might be different.
[cabbeh, I'll reply to you in a later post; I want to get this out there for now, and I only saw your reply as I was previewing.]
I'm addressing you through the game as a player of mafia, not as a real person and all hostility is done to progress the game. I act with the highest respect on gaf. That aside, you deserve the confrontation for your actions and this weird deflection just calls for more scrutiny.
Also I saw that post TheGoddamn and I think it is a good idea.
TheGoddamn
Member
We don't disagree on this; I'm just doing an incredibly poor job explaining it. "the night before last" in which he investigated Haly was in reality N2. But in squid's brainfart whatever list, this night was N3, which was still the second to the last night in his stupid wrong list. All I'm saying is that in his bluster, squid was consistent (and it matches up with his *real* D3 Haly vote, which was an excellent catch, by the way!).
Yes. Please sound off on my consolidated proposal for the day! That goes for everyone, not just cabbeh. [Darryl likes it! And presumably so does YNNNY, because this is an extension of her thoughts of putting squid/Ezekel on the mission]
El Topo has been very useful in his death. I guess he didn't fail this city after all. And thanks for calling out Seath; his total absence from today (I checked) is strange. (However, he did point out that he was thinking of being replaced.)
PS. I would never ignore you!