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[akidnamededdy]

I will never understand why some people believe that a person coming to a video game forum to talk about something from a video game that bugs them means that it "deeply affects" them.

I'll never understand why some people think everything has to appeal to everybody, but here we are.

Top of page edit: the reason Quiet has to dress skimpy while

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others with her condition do not

is because

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her lungs were destroyed and she has to breathe through her skin. Nobody else is stated to have that problem.

So there's your dumb reason why

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the Skulls and Code Talker aren't also in bikinis.

 

[Yen]

An unbelievably terrible character design. Cringeworthy at times.

 

[Blackstarhat]

Can some one explain to me whats wrong with sexulisation of woman. Hot woman don't bother me.

 

[ExVicis]

"The reason she refuses to wear clothes is that she takes air and water through her skin. "

So that's the reason? That's what Kojima meant by reason for being ashamed of criticizing her design?

Honestly, I feel like Kojima said that because he probably felt like we were picking on his character.

I don't feel ashamed of my words and whatever but I don't care anymore now honestly. Kojima wants to make himself a waifu character let him.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

Hubba hubba

 

[Protome]

In what way are 90% of the cast from previous games worse? Mgs4 BB units maybe but that's literally the only game that has that weirdness.

MGS4 also had Naomi's uh...less than professional labcoat and the "shake the controller to jiggle boobs" easter egg.

MGS3 had Eva, which was maybe a bit easier to stomach given she was essentially a Bond girl.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Can some one explain to me whats wrong with sexulisation of woman. Hot woman don't bother me.

Now pretend you're a female playing this game.

 

[DNAbro]

without explaining with spoilers

1) progress the story to understand why
2) Breasts cant have jiggle physicsl? MY WORD.
3) Progress story
4) Go recruit some women. I have S rank combat unit women who i deploy in the field time from time
5) progress story
6) progress story


in short, Progress story then be ashamed of words and deeds later. This thread is non issue.

i mean there is a reason but it's incredibly stupid as said before. Men with the same thing are perfectly fine with wearing clothes. Kojima just wanted a half naked woman in the game and that "ashamed of words and deeds" thing he said pisses me off.

 

[Tecnniqe]

I think it's distracting and juvenile. My dad walked in on me playing when Quiet was on the screen, and for the first time ever I felt the compulsion to quickly turn off the screen. It's just needlessly gratuitous and embarrassing.

I always found this fact funny. Its the same thing as people watching movies on a plane.

Super heavy violence nobody cares about, but if someone watch a movie and they show some skin they turn a blushy and silent to avoid people looking over and noticing it.

 

[sammyCYBORG]

Can some one explain to me whats wrong with sexulisation of woman. Hot woman don't bother me.

You can have hot woman who wear clothes and are good characters.

 

[paragonpro]

Who cares? I don't get why it's so god forbidden for a game character to be sexy? Quiets an awesome badass character and so is bayonetta, and there easy on the eyes too! I don't see what the issue is, except for maybe that its one sided in games. But still when I go to see a marvel film and they do the obligatory topless thor thing they do in every movie I don't cry foul that he is being sexualised, it was put in there to appeal to an audience because sex sells, and personally I don't see why it's something we should shy away from in a videogame when the violent things we do like decaptiations far out weigh the amount of sexiness in any game, and sex is way more natural than violence and I don't get why people get so squirmy and defensive about it.

 

[James Scott]

Really man, lol at Kojima thinking I will feel ashamed upon learning why Quiet is wearing scraps to battle.

Yeah, that was just silly.

 

[Coffee Dog]

No, but as someone pointed out elsewhere to me MGS, for all of its small touches of goofiness, is a series that actually does sort of want to be taken seriously about things like terrorism and warfare and the dangers of unchecked power and stuff. "Also boobies!" jars against that for a lot of people

I just fultoned a bear after riding around Africa shooting at people in a mech.

"Metal Gear can't be silly!" is and always has been a bad argument.

 

[Guess Who]

There's a difference between a woman being sexy and a woman being objectified.

Quiet is very much the latter.

 

[boofahead]

Can some one explain to me whats wrong with sexulisation of woman. Hot woman don't bother me.

I hope they don't watch hollywood movies. I couldn't stand listening to how sexualized the women are all throughout the movie.

You guys must hate Marvel movies.

 

[Einchy]

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This is factually incorrect, they have some skin showing but they at least made a tiny bit of effort in making it look like they had some sort of suitable clothing. eg: http://www.twinfinite.net/wp-conten...-gear-solid-5-the-phantom-pain_1434525076.jpg
They are showing some leg and stomachs, but they are still wearing a lot more protective clothing than Quiet.

This is what they look like in-game.

https://youtu.be/BEDVls6Svzo?t=12s

I'm not sure if I would call that more suitable than what Quiet is wearing.

The male's chests are exposed but they do wear pants, however.

 

[FtHTiny]

She also has

-the best story in the game.
-is the best companion by far.
-has the best outfits in the game. (Yes 2 of them show almost no skin at all!)

 

[ebullientprism]

There is actually a pretty good article on MGS in general and how Hideo was more or less forced to make another MGS because money.

So all of the outrageous stuff in the game is to directly be a snub to the players who wanted more Metal Gear.

Was he forced to do the same in MGS4 with the assassin girls? Or Eva in MGS3? Or Meryl in MGS1?

Gratuitous T&A shots are a series staple. Personally I am fine with it, as in any movie or any other medium. But it is always hilarious when series fans look for excuses for this bullshit. Just accept that Kojima likes having this shit in the game and move on.

 

[sensui-tomo]

I feel that people haven't played mgs 4, or peace walker in this thread, mgs went this route a long time back, people like to forget the photo shoot mode of the BB unit and the love box in PW and j-pop trailer with paz. I never took mgs seriously, it's always been silly. Excuse me while I take erotic photos of tormented women. /s

 

[Protome]

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None of them have to breathe through their skin though. Quiet's lungs were destroyed. "Barbecued," as Miller put it I believe.

It's a dumb reason but there you go.

So we're to assume

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The little bit of fire she was subjected to destroyed her lungs, but the fire that burnt away all of Skullface's skin didn't touch his insides?

 

[InsaneTiger]

I know, that flaming whale was clearly naked.

 

[BulletBees]

Quiet is an awesome character. That's all I'm going to say.

 

[Shauni]

There is actually a pretty good article on MGS in general and how Hideo was more or less forced to make another MGS because money.

So all of the outrageous stuff in the game is to directly be a snub to the players who wanted more Metal Gear.

This sounds like a load

 

[Zombie James]

She has a story reason to dress the way she does and it ties in with the overall plot, so I don't think it's that huge a deal. Sniper Wolf showing off 32-bit cleavage in arctic temperatures in MGS made way less sense, as did all the cleavage EVA/Big Mama showed in MGS3 and MGS4. For what it's worth, Quiet is also the strongest female character Kojima's created since The Boss, IMHO.

 

[Tecnniqe]

i mean there is a reason but it's incredibly stupid as said before. Men with the same thing are perfectly fine with wearing clothes. Kojima just wanted a half naked woman in the game and that "ashamed of words and deeds" thing he said pisses me off.

Well not everyone will agree to everything, but why is nobody talking of the

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naked manbutt

in this game? It shows up

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multiple times

:|

 

[SilentRob]

Anyone defending this probably hasn't leveled her up to 100% loyality and saw that cutscene.

Because holy shit, that shit is borderline pornographic.

By the way, there was

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another character with the same powers Quiet has.

Guess what - he isn't naked.

 

[Phrozenflame500]

Yeah it's stupid, and the reason for it is half-baked nonsense.

But it's Kojima, it's not particularly surprising at this point. "At least" it seem like he's personally invested in her instead of it just being 100% shameless pandering.

 

[ExVicis]

Now pretend you're a female playing this game.

And what if a female playing or observing the game feels it gratuitous but also that's it's not really that big a deal?

 

[BajiBoxer]

Pretty sure it was established that her design was to sell more pervy action figures to nerds. I like that Kojima still came up with an off the wall story reason for her look though, lol.

 

[AGoodODST]

I literally laughed out loud when it was explained why she didn't wear clothes.

So stupid.

 

[MMarston]

Can some one explain to me whats wrong with sexulisation of woman. Hot woman don't bother me.

As I explain in this post (WARNING: IT'S FROM THE SPOILER THREAD), in the case of Quiet, her blatant sexualization among other things bogs down a potentially great character arc and a unique narrative play on the buddy system.

Like imagine if Aerith's death scene in FF7 were shot like a porno.

Anyone defending this probably hasn't leveled her up to 100% loyality and saw that cutscene.

The idea behind that scene was great, I liked it, It's the execution that's shit.

 

[Protome]

This is what they look like in-game.

https://youtu.be/BEDVls6Svzo?t=12s

I'm not sure if I would call that more suitable than what Quiet is wearing.

The male's chests are exposed but they do wear pants, however.

I forgot about the panties, you're right they were also pretty bad. They look like they're wearing half a uniform.

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The Skull unit has fallen on hard times. The women get the shirts, men the pants.

Quiet is an awesome character. That's all I'm going to say.

I agree, that's why it's all the more disappointing she has a character design made to appeal to horny teenage boys.

 

[JDSN]

Omg is that the thing that I was gonna regret? Photosynthesis? Hahaha Kojima aint shit.

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

Saying that Bayonetta's sexualization is needless makes me think you didn't understand it, to be honest.

Yup. MGS I'll give you, but if you're comparing it to Bayonetta you don't understand the point of her character at all.

 

[RK9039]

MGS4 also had Naomi's uh...less than professional labcoat and the "shake the controller to jiggle boobs" easter egg.

MGS3 had Eva, which was maybe a bit easier to stomach given she was essentially a Bond girl.

None of those are worse than Quiet. Shaking the controller is left in the players hands, wheras Quiet is always weird, rolling around in the rain.

Eva wasn't so bad given that it was basically all romance with Big Boss (in the cave and then at the end before the twist) plus her design isn't as bad as Quiet who is a walking fan service. Level up the bond with Quiet so she bends over more for you in the ACC.

 

[HeelPower]

(Cont)But once you recognize the secret for her exposure ,you will feel ashamed of your words and deeds.

 

[Gbraga]

Needless nails it.

My thoughts on it are pretty much those, from the spoiler thread:

I was actually enjoying the scene at first, because at least dressing sexy while acting sexy works better than a "normal" character who dresses like that, which just doesn't work, but wtf with everyone inside looking at her as well? If it at least was a private moment, it would work much better >_>

Her fanservice is weird because she's not "that character" most of the time, she's a super powered badass, it creates this weird disconnect between her design and her actions. I don't mind fanservice at all, in fact, I love it, but just dressing a random character with a bikini and calling it a day is just weird. Seems like the kind of stuff that would be an unlockable pervy outfit in any other game, not fanservice that's part of the story. Because in that case, then yeah, you can't expect the character to change just because of an unlockable costume. I wouldn't use it, but it wouldn't bother me either.

This is the kind of fanservice that bothers me the most, the kind that doesn't even work that well as fanservice. What purpose did it serve? I guess Kojima got to look at Joosten dancing and wearing a bikini for a long time?

Quiet is an awesome character. That's all I'm going to say.

Yes, she is. Quiet's a badass, which is part of the reason why her design and the way the game "treats" her was so disappointing. I didn't have much of an issue with her clothes before the game came out, actually, but after that, it's so dumb. Though I guess "dumb" describes a big part of Metal Gear.

 

[Platy]

And what if a female playing or observing the game feels it gratuitous but also that's it's not really that big a deal?

That article I linked earlier is not only written by a woman, but it is written by a non heterosexual woman

Here, I will link it again :
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-09-04-metal-gear-solid-5-quiet-kojima-ashamed

 

[TimmiT]

With Bayonetta, the design at least fits the character, which can't be said for most Japanese female character designs like Quiet's.

 

[Einchy]

Now pretend you're a female playing this game.

Judging by all of Kojima's re-tweets on Twitter there's tons of females who like Quiet and think she's awesome.

Seriously, guy keeps re-tweeting any cosplay of Quiet which there's a lot of.

 

[John Kowalski]

This is what they look like in-game.

https://youtu.be/BEDVls6Svzo?t=12s

I'm not sure if I would call that more suitable than what Quiet is wearing.

The male's chests are exposed but they do wear pants, however.

Lol, that male gaze.

I've made my choice not to buy this game tbh.

 

[Future]

All the metal gears sexualizes their women. It's not a defense just more into the fact this is no surprise.

There is some flimsy reason why she is half naked sure, but she's clearly that way because it's hot. Even the pose she gets in when taking off in the helicopter cracks me up: decides to hang out on the outside of the chopper so any attempt to look outside has breasts in your face.

Every design decision, pose and cut scene I've seen so far is there to promote her sexy attire.

 

[KJRS_1993]

Well not everyone will agree to everything, but why is nobody talking of the

Spoiler

naked manbutt

in this game? It shows up

Spoiler

multiple times

:|

I didn't see a slow mo camera pan over naked crack at any point, and there was a definite minimum of intense zoom around hairy rim throughout the game.

the reason Quiet has to dress skimpy while

Spoiler

others with her condition do not

is because

Spoiler

her lungs were destroyed and she has to breathe through her skin. Nobody else is stated to have that problem.

So there's your dumb reason why

Spoiler

the Skulls and Code Talker aren't also in bikinis.

Well that's convenient, funny thing that.

 

[Hoje0308]

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None of them have to breathe through their skin though. Quiet's lungs were destroyed. "Barbecued," as Miller put it I believe.

It's a dumb reason but there you go.

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But she does talk, which would mean she has working lungs that can pass air through the vocal cords.

The writing in the game is just awful and

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parasites

make nanomachines seem appealing by comparison. It's like Kojima said, "I wanna write as if I'm a complete hack that is aping the work of Hideo Kojima." Great success, sir.

All the metal gears sexualizes their women. It's not a defense just more into the fact this is no surprise.

There is some flimsy reason why she is half naked sure, but she's clearly that way because it's hot. Even the pose she gets in when taking off in the helicopter cracks me up: decides to hang out on the outside of the chopper so any attempt to look outside has breasts in your face.

Every design decision, pose and cut scene I've seen so far is there to promote her sexy attire.

Yep, the camera constantly slows as it pans over her breasts and then there's the way that she plays in water, stretches on ACC and lays on her bed with her top undone.

 

[Spaced33]

Is it fanservice-y pandering? Absolutely. Do I mind? Nope.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

The maxed out Bond Level cut scene with her is so fucking cringey and even I felt a bit offended by it. I can now develop real clothes for, but I have to wait an hour for it.

 

[Shaanyboi]

And what if a female playing or observing the game feels it gratuitous but also that's it's not really that big a deal?

Well I dunno... is she the sole authority on what does/doesn't count as representative of systemic problems with female representation in videogames? Because if she isn't bothered, then that's a big relief.

 

[lutewaffle]

Those rain and shower scenes were really awkward. Especially when her boob stretches out 12 inches.

 

[Clear]

i mean there is a reason but it's incredibly stupid as said before. Men with the same thing are perfectly fine with wearing clothes. Kojima just wanted a half naked woman in the game and that "ashamed of words and deeds" thing he said pisses me off.

The key thing is that more than any other character in the game we are invited to care for and empathize with Quiet. I get the feeling that what Kojima was trying to get at is that if people cannot get past her appearance, they are guilty of the very same objectification that they are complaining about.

 

[Alienous]

I rarely have a reaction of "What the fuck. That isn't right" when playing a game, but the "It's raining" scene done that for me. It's a good thing I didn't see the showering scene, that shit is even more egregious.

She also has

-the best story in the game.
-is the best companion by far.
-has the best outfits in the game. (Yes 2 of them show almost no skin at all!)

-she has no story. She has no arc. She's a shit character who's ignorant of the fact that

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rolling around and rubbing yourself down with rain while 85% naked

has sexual connotations. She's a dummy.
- D-Dog is the best companion.
- D-Horse has the best outfits.