I do remember watching those initial DMC2 trailers where Dante looked bad ass.. Like the one where he jumps down from the tower... RIP DMC2 Dante.
Definitely a big past DMC3 player. And definitely fake trainer DT, health, and damage. Only so much credit should be given but mechanics are solid.
Your argument about adding new things resulting into unwanted bugs and responsibility for Capcom would've had more weight if we were talking about more advanced stuff that changes more variables like adding a new modifier like Must Style or a new difficulty. But you can't honestly tell me that putting a dummy with no AI and infinite health into one of the BP platforms is one of them. I mean, seriously, what would have been the wost thing that could have happened that made them decide not to add something so simple? There is no balancing involved, there is no AI, no other enemy, it's the same environment, same character, same everything.
E is NT and Capcom trying to do right by the fans that they completely ignored with original release. Your argument about adding new things resulting into unwanted bugs and responsibility for Capcom would've had more weight if we were talking about more advanced stuff that changes more variables like adding a new modifier like Must Style or a new difficulty. But you can't honestly tell me that putting a dummy with no AI and infinite health into one of the BP platforms is one of them. I mean, seriously, what would have been the wost thing that could have happened that made them decide not to add something so simple? There is no balancing involved, there is no AI, no other enemy, it's the same environment, same character, same everything.
I don't wanna over simplify it, I'm sure they still had to code some of these things into the base game and it would have take a bit of time but still saying that they couldn't have done it or it would have created bigger problems just doesn't seem right to me.
That's one way to look at it. When I look at DmC I see Capcom getting greedy after noticing GoW's 5 million numbers and chasing after that money. They went for NT and more cinematic western game because GoW had proven to be more successful financially using those attributes than other Japanese action games like DMC4 and Bayonetta. IMO, it had nothing to do with them realizing a deficiency in their game or wanting to give fans what they wanted. Capcom saw money and went after it, plain and simple. If anything, DmC
I know SE is still DMC4, I'm not asking them to do a remake, I don't think anyone ever did. But when you are releasing a Special Edition of a flawed game after 7 years people (rightfully) expect you to try and fix some of its flaws. They can't change half of the game and give Dante an entire new campaign, it's okay we understand, but when they don't even attempt to fix much much much simpler problems, that is not understandable no matter how you look at it. It's as if they were completely oblivious to what people disliked about DMC4 in the past 7 years.
What was DMC4's problem?
It had a great combat engine with two awesome characters but with no content to go along with them.
What did fans want and asked for?
Better and richer contents to play these awesome characters with.
What did Itsuno and team added when they had the chance to make a SE version?
More awesome, somewhat fresh characters with zero new contents.
And I get what you are saying that they are testing waters and new ideas with these characters but the same would have applied to new modes. If we had a new training mode in 4SE that only had the bare bones then the chances for having a much more advanced training mode in DMC5 that had command/combo challenges (like in fighting games) would have been much higher. Or we might have gotten newer modes in DMC5 like boss rush and such since they would have already tackled Training mode in 4SE and had the fundamentals ready for DMC5.
tl;dr, I don't like the vibes that I'm getting from 4SE and especially what Itsuno said about it. It seems like they have completely shifted their focus to just make better combat and the content that's suppose to come with it probably won't get as much attention as it needs.
)E manages to actually change and fix a lot of the issues of the base game which was in a somewhat similar situation with 4SE. (I know that it had retail release and was $40, but still it was a somewhat budget re-release for the fans)While the goal might have been the same the intent is different and that matters a lot. Cause the message that the failure of DmC sends to Capcom would be quite different depending on what their intentions were for making the game to begin with.
I'm not implying that they were working on DMC4SE for 7 years. What I meant with that line was that they had 7 years to realize what were the issues of DMC4 and somehow after all these years they managed to release a Special Edition that doesn't even attempt to fix even a single one of those issues.
So, either one of the higher ups in Capcom was hell bent on making sure that they won't improve upon anything from the original releaseor devs just did what they wanted to do without looking or caring (or whatever they were thinking at the time, maybe they were working on DMC5, who knows) at fans feedback. I personally think the latter is true, considering that DmC(I'm clearly joking here if you couldn't say
Anyway, I guess we have to wait and see what happens in the future with DMC5. I personally would love to be proven wrong but I can't shake off this bad feeling until I see it with my own eyes.
I feel like I need to be really specific with everything that I say, otherwise you guys will interpret my words differently from what I actually wanted to say. I am being too vague or something? Hmm, I don't know
Which was absolutely nothing. You see that's my problem with what they did with 4SE. They added more to the combat when the original game had no problem in that area but left every other actual issue of the game untouched.
That's the one. I searched my post history to confirm.
The way you phrased this, hardly anyone is going to pick option B
New content was never on the table for DMC4SE, you still aren't getting that.
I know you can't fix the game without completely remaking it but there are certain things that you can improve on if you decide to assign some of your resources and time on it and if you do that the game might become much more enjoyable or have more replay value. Like removing the Red Orb requirement from the ranking system at the end of the missions or adding a new Training mode or Boss Rush mode which gives you new ways to try and play around the characters. PC players might already have access to these things but it doesn't change the fact that you are screwed if you play the game on consoles which means your only way to practice or try new things is to go through the tired levels over and over again.
None of us were part of the development team so we don't know that for sure. The truth is that they had X amount of time and X amount of resources and they decided to spend some of them on Lady and Trish. They didn't appear out of thin air, clearly some budget and time were spent on them, time and budget which could have been spent on other things like fixing few of the issues of the game.
Fair enough.
Neither would a training room, boss rush modr or Must Style mode.