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Ace Attorney [Mafia] |OT| Turnabout Scum
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Xamtheking
Member
Why did you take the red pill, Gumshoe, whyyyyyy
TheWorthyEdge
Member
(It was a joke,
a good one)
but not
Xamtheking
Member
Why would you ever joke about that
Make jokes about fluff or literally anything else
TheWorthyEdge
Member
TheWorthyEdge
Member
In all seriousness though.
Matt Attack is my top scum right now.
Matt Attack is my top scum right now.
Before bed, I'm just going to give off some reads.
-Xam's posts are prominent, but aren't that substantive, and that claim just seems like a bad move all around. Out of everyone, I'm most suspicious of him at the moment.
-Edge is starting to get that way, too, but was mostly, well... Edgey until now. The not-a-role-claim post was weird, but probably nothing... Right?
-Hipster, Falco, MattAttack, Drago, Palmtree, Ri, and TGD and Bowlie - I can't really say anything one way or the other. I know I'm not one to talk, but they're not on here much these past couple of days, either.
-CB, Crimson, Sketch, and Squidy are all aggressively active, so there's little reason to suspect them. Still, CB wanting a name claim really struck me as off yesterday.
-Roy's blackmail thing still has me intrigued. It's definitely a Just thing to come forward about, though, so I'm leaning towards trust.
-Seeing how his vote is counting as 2 in the tally, I think I trust Zeke's Masque*DeMasque story. It could end up being Luke Atmey or some other villainous thief (Or maybe El Tigre?), but I can see DeMasque being a Just Vote Thief.
-Scrafty's 110% clear... Unless Sorian's messing with us somehow. But I doubt it, at least in regards to one of the first posts revealing her role.
-Xam's posts are prominent, but aren't that substantive, and that claim just seems like a bad move all around. Out of everyone, I'm most suspicious of him at the moment.
-Edge is starting to get that way, too, but was mostly, well... Edgey until now. The not-a-role-claim post was weird, but probably nothing... Right?
-Hipster, Falco, MattAttack, Drago, Palmtree, Ri, and TGD and Bowlie - I can't really say anything one way or the other. I know I'm not one to talk, but they're not on here much these past couple of days, either.
-CB, Crimson, Sketch, and Squidy are all aggressively active, so there's little reason to suspect them. Still, CB wanting a name claim really struck me as off yesterday.
-Roy's blackmail thing still has me intrigued. It's definitely a Just thing to come forward about, though, so I'm leaning towards trust.
-Seeing how his vote is counting as 2 in the tally, I think I trust Zeke's Masque*DeMasque story. It could end up being Luke Atmey or some other villainous thief (Or maybe El Tigre?), but I can see DeMasque being a Just Vote Thief.
-Scrafty's 110% clear... Unless Sorian's messing with us somehow. But I doubt it, at least in regards to one of the first posts revealing her role.
Home from work, sorry for being absent most of the day. Just got done catching up. You fucked up big time, Xam...
At the current juncture I think a prod vote will be most effective, so:
VOTE: Hipster Cthulu
Gotta say though, you are making it hard not to vote for you, TWE. Just about everything you've been posting tonight has been utter nonsense, or things like disagreeing with and saying it's too early for prod votes when there was still 48 hours to go, or over-analyzing small details in others posts, etc. Just a lot of oddities, more than usual, and it feels like you are desperately trying to confuse and bewilder and rile up everyone for whatever reason. I don't like it one bit and I think you're the most suspicious player now. Chances are pretty high that you will have my vote before the day phase is through.
At the current juncture I think a prod vote will be most effective, so:
VOTE: Hipster Cthulu
Gotta say though, you are making it hard not to vote for you, TWE. Just about everything you've been posting tonight has been utter nonsense, or things like disagreeing with and saying it's too early for prod votes when there was still 48 hours to go, or over-analyzing small details in others posts, etc. Just a lot of oddities, more than usual, and it feels like you are desperately trying to confuse and bewilder and rile up everyone for whatever reason. I don't like it one bit and I think you're the most suspicious player now. Chances are pretty high that you will have my vote before the day phase is through.
Matt Attack
Member
This post is a little long, and probably kind of rambly because I'm not very good at articulating myself, so apologies in advance. I think it's worth reading in it's entirety, though.
Funny, you're my top scum right now too. Just about everything you've done this game has set off alarm bells in my mind. They're subtle alarm bells, but they bug me nontheless. Let's start at the beginning of the game. First, the first few pages of Day 1 make one thing abundantly clear: your thoughts on how our discussion should have gone were blatantly, and I mean completely blatantly anti-town. Let's take a peek at the following post:
Here, we have you claiming that we should not be placing votes on people too early on in the day. Still, I think thay by this point, starting off with a couple votes is standard for GAFia. It's a solid way to breed discussion, and can sometimes even yield surprising results down the line. There is actually precedent for scum players to caution aggressive voting early on in the day (presumably to try to appear as a concerned town member.) To anybody who followed or participated in Launchpad's GAFia mafia, I'd like to call attention to one example- in that game, on the very first page of the very first day, Terrabyte20xx expressed concern over players' voting practices early on. He turned out to be scum. His situation and TWE's are not 1:1, but they are similar enough that I think it is worth keeping in mind. Let's look at another post that followed soon after the previous one.
Different people have different thoughts about fluff, but generally (and I know that I personally fall in this camp) I think that most players feel that fluff speculation brings incredibly little to the table, especially when we haven't even seen any flips/claims etc (well, Scrafty had flipped by that point but I don't think that has much bearing here, as she doesn't actually have a power.) When we consider this peerspective, it is not hard to imagine why scum would want to keep discussion directed towards fluff. It's a solid way to appear both be active and appear useful, without actually being the latter.
Taken alone? The posts are weird. Together though, it's a different story. You are literally advocating here for town to waste its time speculating about fluff rather than voting. I can understand if you personally didn't want to cast a vote. I didn't cast one for a little bit myself. But to advocate against others using their votes (keep in mind that for ordinary roles, of which there are assuredly quite a few, voting is the only power available to them)? I don't think that's such a good idea.
While we're looking at the previous post I quoted, I'd like to call attention to another aspect that rubs me the wrong way: specifically, the part where he accusses Crimson of having a power role because of his feelings on fluff speculation. We can read this a number of ways. On one hand, if we assume that TWE is speaking about power roles in general, then voicing your speculations about another player having one is absurdly anti-town, especially this early on in the game; the last thing town should want is their power roles outed. However, taken in context, it's more likely that TWE is referring to scum/neutral power roles, considering the discussion at the time. In this situation, I read the post as just a really sloppy way of casting suspicion on Crimson. This post seems to have been mostly ignored, but it does stand out to me.
Now, let's move on to Day 2. Things get a little weird here because, like Drago above me has said, a lot of what TWE says today doesn't make a lot of sense, especially from somebody who is no stranger to GAFia games. First, it's worth mentioning that TWE engages in his fair share of fluff speculation today. I am a little more forgiving of it here, however, due to Roy's claim of being blackmailed. Okay, let's check out this post.
CB made a perfectly reasonable comment (I know that I agree with it) about how RIP posts and the like, that contain nothing else, aren't that useful. It's good advice, but TWE doesn't think that trying to steer town back in a productive direction is very worthwhile, which is kind of weird?
Two weird things here. First, this marks the beginning of a series of posts from TWE that display a really weird logic for who he thinks scum should have targeted (see this post for another example.) I mean, he seems surprised that scum didn't kill QB/Drago or CB- two people that most of us can agree would have been awful scum targets. This is super weird. The second weird thing is that he's again advocating against aggressive playstyles. I don't entirely disagree that it can be an interesting cover for scum, but I can't help but look at this post differently when I consider his other posts from before.
Onto more recent subjects is TWE's opinion on the prod votes on Hipster Cthulhu. I actually don't mind if you have a different opinion on prod votes, I can sort of understand that where that sentiment comes from.
This post is weiiiiiiird. Like squidy said, if you know it's not valid, why would you discuss it? Feels like a really strange way to dissuade people from prodding. For the record, I don't think the prod votes on Cthulhu are entirely misplaced. His presence is very notably lacking, even amongst the rest of us inactive players.
This post bugs me too. I don't know how TWE was able to jump to this conclusion from Xam's opinion on the blackmailing, but it's weird. Hypothetically, if TWE is scum, I could see this as an attempt to discredit Xam's cop claim. If we assume that any protector roles will do everything they can to keep Xam alive, then it would be advantaegous to scum to try to discedit Xam so he gets lynched- and making him seem like the blackmailer would be one way to do it. This post could be seen as TWE testing the waters for this sort of move.
This next post is actually from squidy, but I think it's an interesting point so I'll let him make it for me.
Now, we get to TWE's vote on me.
I mean, this argument against me is true if you ignore my two posts today, considering neither had anything whatsoever to do with people mentioning me. This vote screams of TWE parroting Crimson's argument against me (an argument that I still don't think is very good) in an attempt to get it to stick. Looking at this post next:
Apparently it's supposed to be a joke? I mean, like others said, it really doesn't sound like one. Yet another weird post.
So, where does this all leave us? I think there's a pretty decent case to be made for TWE being scum. He's consistently displayed baffling behavior that, in many cases, veers pretty closely to the blatantly anti-town side of the spectrum. I've held my suspicions pretty close to my chest thus far because I'm not a very confident player, but what the heck, might as well get them out now. Being as quiet as I have been certainly hasn't helped town, but maybe this will.
VOTE: TheWorthyEdge
Funny, you're my top scum right now too. Just about everything you've done this game has set off alarm bells in my mind. They're subtle alarm bells, but they bug me nontheless. Let's start at the beginning of the game. First, the first few pages of Day 1 make one thing abundantly clear: your thoughts on how our discussion should have gone were blatantly, and I mean completely blatantly anti-town. Let's take a peek at the following post:
Here, we have you claiming that we should not be placing votes on people too early on in the day. Still, I think thay by this point, starting off with a couple votes is standard for GAFia. It's a solid way to breed discussion, and can sometimes even yield surprising results down the line. There is actually precedent for scum players to caution aggressive voting early on in the day (presumably to try to appear as a concerned town member.) To anybody who followed or participated in Launchpad's GAFia mafia, I'd like to call attention to one example- in that game, on the very first page of the very first day, Terrabyte20xx expressed concern over players' voting practices early on. He turned out to be scum. His situation and TWE's are not 1:1, but they are similar enough that I think it is worth keeping in mind. Let's look at another post that followed soon after the previous one.
Different people have different thoughts about fluff, but generally (and I know that I personally fall in this camp) I think that most players feel that fluff speculation brings incredibly little to the table, especially when we haven't even seen any flips/claims etc (well, Scrafty had flipped by that point but I don't think that has much bearing here, as she doesn't actually have a power.) When we consider this peerspective, it is not hard to imagine why scum would want to keep discussion directed towards fluff. It's a solid way to appear both be active and appear useful, without actually being the latter.
Taken alone? The posts are weird. Together though, it's a different story. You are literally advocating here for town to waste its time speculating about fluff rather than voting. I can understand if you personally didn't want to cast a vote. I didn't cast one for a little bit myself. But to advocate against others using their votes (keep in mind that for ordinary roles, of which there are assuredly quite a few, voting is the only power available to them)? I don't think that's such a good idea.
While we're looking at the previous post I quoted, I'd like to call attention to another aspect that rubs me the wrong way: specifically, the part where he accusses Crimson of having a power role because of his feelings on fluff speculation. We can read this a number of ways. On one hand, if we assume that TWE is speaking about power roles in general, then voicing your speculations about another player having one is absurdly anti-town, especially this early on in the game; the last thing town should want is their power roles outed. However, taken in context, it's more likely that TWE is referring to scum/neutral power roles, considering the discussion at the time. In this situation, I read the post as just a really sloppy way of casting suspicion on Crimson. This post seems to have been mostly ignored, but it does stand out to me.
Now, let's move on to Day 2. Things get a little weird here because, like Drago above me has said, a lot of what TWE says today doesn't make a lot of sense, especially from somebody who is no stranger to GAFia games. First, it's worth mentioning that TWE engages in his fair share of fluff speculation today. I am a little more forgiving of it here, however, due to Roy's claim of being blackmailed. Okay, let's check out this post.
Really? And you feel like this contributes more to the conversation?
CB made a perfectly reasonable comment (I know that I agree with it) about how RIP posts and the like, that contain nothing else, aren't that useful. It's good advice, but TWE doesn't think that trying to steer town back in a productive direction is very worthwhile, which is kind of weird?
Two weird things here. First, this marks the beginning of a series of posts from TWE that display a really weird logic for who he thinks scum should have targeted (see this post for another example.) I mean, he seems surprised that scum didn't kill QB/Drago or CB- two people that most of us can agree would have been awful scum targets. This is super weird. The second weird thing is that he's again advocating against aggressive playstyles. I don't entirely disagree that it can be an interesting cover for scum, but I can't help but look at this post differently when I consider his other posts from before.
Onto more recent subjects is TWE's opinion on the prod votes on Hipster Cthulhu. I actually don't mind if you have a different opinion on prod votes, I can sort of understand that where that sentiment comes from.
This post is weiiiiiiird. Like squidy said, if you know it's not valid, why would you discuss it? Feels like a really strange way to dissuade people from prodding. For the record, I don't think the prod votes on Cthulhu are entirely misplaced. His presence is very notably lacking, even amongst the rest of us inactive players.
This post bugs me too. I don't know how TWE was able to jump to this conclusion from Xam's opinion on the blackmailing, but it's weird. Hypothetically, if TWE is scum, I could see this as an attempt to discredit Xam's cop claim. If we assume that any protector roles will do everything they can to keep Xam alive, then it would be advantaegous to scum to try to discedit Xam so he gets lynched- and making him seem like the blackmailer would be one way to do it. This post could be seen as TWE testing the waters for this sort of move.
This next post is actually from squidy, but I think it's an interesting point so I'll let him make it for me.
Now, we get to TWE's vote on me.
I mean, this argument against me is true if you ignore my two posts today, considering neither had anything whatsoever to do with people mentioning me. This vote screams of TWE parroting Crimson's argument against me (an argument that I still don't think is very good) in an attempt to get it to stick. Looking at this post next:
Apparently it's supposed to be a joke? I mean, like others said, it really doesn't sound like one. Yet another weird post.
So, where does this all leave us? I think there's a pretty decent case to be made for TWE being scum. He's consistently displayed baffling behavior that, in many cases, veers pretty closely to the blatantly anti-town side of the spectrum. I've held my suspicions pretty close to my chest thus far because I'm not a very confident player, but what the heck, might as well get them out now. Being as quiet as I have been certainly hasn't helped town, but maybe this will.
VOTE: TheWorthyEdge
Good morning!
Sorry for no vote count earlier on this page. I was asleep oddly.
Anyway, current vote count:
CornBurrito (4)
TheWorthyEdge
EzekelRAGE
TheGoddamn
Ri'Orius
TheWorthyEdge (4)
CornBurrito
ScraftyDevil
Xamtheking
Matt Attack
Xamtheking (2)
roytheone
ScraftyDevil
Zubz
TheWorthyEdge
CrimsonFist
Hipster Cthulhu (2)
Xamtheking
squidyj
CrimsonFist
Drago
StanleyPalmtree (1)
Bowlie
Drago (1)
RedFalco
Matt Attack (1)
TheWorthyEdge
TheGoddamn (0)
CrimsonFist
EzekelRAGE (0)
TheWorthyEdge
squidyj
StarSketch
Redfalco (0)
Xamtheking
Drago
Ri'Orius (0)
CrimsonFist
squidyj (0)
CornBurrito
10 votes are needed for majority.
Day 2 ends in:
Sorry for no vote count earlier on this page. I was asleep oddly.
Anyway, current vote count:
CornBurrito (4)
EzekelRAGE
TheGoddamn
Ri'Orius
TheWorthyEdge (4)
CornBurrito
ScraftyDevil
Xamtheking
Matt Attack
Xamtheking (2)
roytheone
Zubz
Hipster Cthulhu (2)
squidyj
CrimsonFist
Drago
StanleyPalmtree (1)
Bowlie
Drago (1)
RedFalco
Matt Attack (1)
TheWorthyEdge
TheGoddamn (0)
EzekelRAGE (0)
Redfalco (0)
Ri'Orius (0)
squidyj (0)
10 votes are needed for majority.
Day 2 ends in:
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
All these recent post from TWE are giving me a really weird feeling,
it feels like he is actually trying to get lynched, i mean he wasnt the most on the level player earlier (as MattAttack so exhaustively detailed), but this last page has just felt immature and provocative.
It sounds crazy but it really what im getting from it. could there be any kind of reasoning for this?
i remember someone mentioning a scum power that activates on their death (i think they called it wolf cub?), maybe something like that?
Or he could just be crazy/a really bad player.
it feels like he is actually trying to get lynched, i mean he wasnt the most on the level player earlier (as MattAttack so exhaustively detailed), but this last page has just felt immature and provocative.
It sounds crazy but it really what im getting from it. could there be any kind of reasoning for this?
i remember someone mentioning a scum power that activates on their death (i think they called it wolf cub?), maybe something like that?
Or he could just be crazy/a really bad player.
CornBurrito
Member
I don't get why you and others think RAGE's role is that good.
Its fuckin anti-town. All it takes is for him to steal a vote from the wrong person, and him to misplace his vote, and "saving us from Lylo" becomes "he just put us in Lylo".
unvote
I am still extremely suspicious of Xam, hell, like an hour after his claim he posted this which I find very scummy:
This to me reads like a covert attempt to feel me out if I have a night action or not. The way I would react to this could help scum with determining if I have a PR.
However, I agree that scum can't let an outed town cop live, even if he is very suspicious, so for now we don't have to lynch xam and can wait to see if scum kills him or not. If scum lets him live, that would be very suspicious. Also, if he is lying there is probably a real cop somewhere, so we will catch Xam eventually.
I thought you looked like an alligator with a mustache? Also, if you are the actual Gumshoe trapped in the real world, I expect to be petted
I am still extremely suspicious of Xam, hell, like an hour after his claim he posted this which I find very scummy:
This to me reads like a covert attempt to feel me out if I have a night action or not. The way I would react to this could help scum with determining if I have a PR.
However, I agree that scum can't let an outed town cop live, even if he is very suspicious, so for now we don't have to lynch xam and can wait to see if scum kills him or not. If scum lets him live, that would be very suspicious. Also, if he is lying there is probably a real cop somewhere, so we will catch Xam eventually.
I thought you looked like an alligator with a mustache? Also, if you are the actual Gumshoe trapped in the real world, I expect to be petted
CrimsonFist
Member
After sleeping on it, I have a few more comments I want to make on Xam's claim.
On top of everything else wrong with your role claim. This stands out. You were a) clearly aware of the fact that you should keep your role hidden, and b) Nothing has changed between your read-list and you making your claim.
And that's not even getting into the fact that you apparently claimed to save someone who wasn't on the lynching line and who you had no more information on than the rest of us, and the fact that you don't actually seem to realise the issue with claiming when you did.
I'm kind of wondering if this could actually be a gambit hiding behind Xam's reputation to justify how terrible it is.
On top of everything else wrong with your role claim. This stands out. You were a) clearly aware of the fact that you should keep your role hidden, and b) Nothing has changed between your read-list and you making your claim.
And that's not even getting into the fact that you apparently claimed to save someone who wasn't on the lynching line and who you had no more information on than the rest of us, and the fact that you don't actually seem to realise the issue with claiming when you did.
I'm kind of wondering if this could actually be a gambit hiding behind Xam's reputation to justify how terrible it is.
CrimsonFist
Member
Wolf Cub was a role I had in Woof 2. On death, if gives scum 2 kills the next night. I generally wouldn't consider it worth suiciding with though, unless town is in lylo.
And I'm not sure I'm reading him being suicidal anyway, although I'm in complete agreement about him standing out as odd.
Xam, I know nothing about role discussion ("role X is better than Y", "role X counters Y", "role X is useful because..."; in fact that's why I picked up chats from previous games IRL yesterday so I can learn this) but maybe it would be better to catch some people before saying that.
TWE, you have been a little weird today, especially IRL today, going from posts about thoughts and speculation to outright bold, galling sentences and that weird joke.
When I thought Xam's behavior was weird, squid said he's like that. Is that how TWE plays?
TWE, you have been a little weird today, especially IRL today, going from posts about thoughts and speculation to outright bold, galling sentences and that weird joke.
When I thought Xam's behavior was weird, squid said he's like that. Is that how TWE plays?
For my vote today, I agree with the people saying Edge is very suspicious. Looking at my notes, I have by far the most "weird behavior" notes for him compared to everyone else. None of them are Decisive evidence, but, well, its a lot:
- A decent amount of fluff/role talk on day 1. Not only is that a good way for a scum to appear active, they way people react could helps scum to find power roles, while it is very unlikely to help town in any way.
- At the start of day 2 he had some weird ideas about who the scum would have likely targeted, like CornBro and Quantumbro replacement. Those two were not likely scum targets at all to me.
- Then he had some weird theory about ezekel being a neutral that was trying to frame CB.
- He seems very eager to talk about neutrals, more then most people in this game. Talking about neutrals is a very safe way for scum to participate without accidentally showing they know more, since they probably don't know more about neutrals then us.
- He again has a weird theory, this time about how shelly de killer may not be a role but a moving power? That's such a weird thing to propose without any indication.
- Was in the "I don't know, maaaaybe we should do this vote claim thingy" camp, and that is the camp I suspect scum would have been in. When it became clear the idea wouldn't get any tracking, he was pretty quick to suddenly dismiss it and go "well, not now of course, but maybe later!", even though he called it a "pretty interesting development" earlier.
- Calls out prod votes like he called out early random votes on day 1. Calling people out for those type of small things (it was not like they were going to keep those votes until the end of the day, or that those votes were the only things Crimson/squidyj did) could be a way for scum to pretend to scum hunt.
Edge has a lot of activity, but a lot of it is calling people out for small things, speculating about roles/neutrals, speculating about pretty far fetched theories etc.
VOTE: TheWorthyEdge
- A decent amount of fluff/role talk on day 1. Not only is that a good way for a scum to appear active, they way people react could helps scum to find power roles, while it is very unlikely to help town in any way.
- At the start of day 2 he had some weird ideas about who the scum would have likely targeted, like CornBro and Quantumbro replacement. Those two were not likely scum targets at all to me.
- Then he had some weird theory about ezekel being a neutral that was trying to frame CB.
- He also believes scum will be more likely to be aggressive then passive. I disagree with this, I think it totally depends on who gets into the scum team. Scum tend to not completely change their play style when they are scum compared to other games, so if scum team consists of a lot of active players => scum will be active, but if scum consists of relatively inactive players => scum will be inactive.
- He seems very eager to talk about neutrals, more then most people in this game. Talking about neutrals is a very safe way for scum to participate without accidentally showing they know more, since they probably don't know more about neutrals then us.
- He again has a weird theory, this time about how shelly de killer may not be a role but a moving power? That's such a weird thing to propose without any indication.
- Was in the "I don't know, maaaaybe we should do this vote claim thingy" camp, and that is the camp I suspect scum would have been in. When it became clear the idea wouldn't get any tracking, he was pretty quick to suddenly dismiss it and go "well, not now of course, but maybe later!", even though he called it a "pretty interesting development" earlier.
- Calls out prod votes like he called out early random votes on day 1. Calling people out for those type of small things (it was not like they were going to keep those votes until the end of the day, or that those votes were the only things Crimson/squidyj did) could be a way for scum to pretend to scum hunt.
Edge has a lot of activity, but a lot of it is calling people out for small things, speculating about roles/neutrals, speculating about pretty far fetched theories etc.
VOTE: TheWorthyEdge
There are two points that people make against TWE i disagree with though:
-Him not voting for one of the 2 main candidates at the end of day 1. I assume he was not in the thread when QB dropped out, which was also about the time it became clear which two would be the main lynch candidates. So that would explain why he didn't vote for one of those two, that isn't very suspect to me. Hell, if I was unable to post at that time, my vote would have been stuck on QB too.
- The joke was dumb and weird, but I struggle to find why a scum TWE would post such a thing on purpose, can't think of a reason for that kind of play.
However, there are a lott of other things going against him, and while non if it is particularly hard evidence, it adds up.
-Him not voting for one of the 2 main candidates at the end of day 1. I assume he was not in the thread when QB dropped out, which was also about the time it became clear which two would be the main lynch candidates. So that would explain why he didn't vote for one of those two, that isn't very suspect to me. Hell, if I was unable to post at that time, my vote would have been stuck on QB too.
- The joke was dumb and weird, but I struggle to find why a scum TWE would post such a thing on purpose, can't think of a reason for that kind of play.
However, there are a lott of other things going against him, and while non if it is particularly hard evidence, it adds up.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
I cannot blame you guys at all for voting for me. My behavior is erratic and sends very, very wrong messages. I don't know if there is anything that would change your minds.
My play style is very rambunctious. If you look at how I played in Star Wars you will see. Obviously that's not a very good reason at all.
I get kinda crazy as many have said. I feel my only argument @ this point without roleclaiming is the fact that I would've known my posts are very "weird" and if I was Scum I would have to fundamentally change the way I play.
My play style is very rambunctious. If you look at how I played in Star Wars you will see. Obviously that's not a very good reason at all.
I get kinda crazy as many have said. I feel my only argument @ this point without roleclaiming is the fact that I would've known my posts are very "weird" and if I was Scum I would have to fundamentally change the way I play.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
I feel like it's good if town has one person that does this on their team.
Do you want me to only call out people for big things? I don't understand this mentality. A small thing could be detrimental to a game like this. I call out small things to see what others say about it even if it makes me look suspicious.
I speculate on roles and neutrals because I feel we could get a better understanding of the environment we are playing in. I want to look and try to get a feel of what we may be dealing with here. More beneficial in my opinion than a lot of the crap that goes on in Day 1.
My theories are the epitome of far-fetched I will agree but I must say there are some intelligant folks in this thread. I wouldn't be surprised if one of my theories was actually correct because of how insane it may seem.
I don't know. Obviously I do need to change my playstyle here and I will if I do somehow get to tomorrow lol I'll only post on things that are big. No stupid theories, no more pointing out small little things that may not mean anything, and no speculating on roles.
Unfortunately I may not get to do that. I have been brash these few days (especially today) and I completely understand your vote on me.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
This is by far the most dead game of Mafia I've played.
Xamtheking
Member
You weren't in Post D5 Woof 2
EzekelRAGE
Member
Same.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Sucks too because I want to try and say my case, but what's the point if no one will read it lol
I'm going to name call instead of role claim. I think that would be most Pro-Town, even if it doesn't save me.
I'm going to name call instead of role claim. I think that would be most Pro-Town, even if it doesn't save me.
Xamtheking
Member
You shouldn't call other people names
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Just me.
Sorian is ashamed of us ;__;
But yeah, it isn't ridiculously active. I think the small number of Europeans in this game doesn't help with that. Honestly, after having played two games back to back that were A LOT of work for me, this is kind of a nice change of pace. But a bit more activity wouldn't hurt.
About your other post: my suspicion of you really is just a combination of a lot of things, and the calling out small things is just one aspect of that. I don't necessarily disagree that it can be pro-town, but it can also be a useful tool for scum to appear active. And if i then look at the many other points you have against you, it adds up. Also, i disagree with you about speculating about roles. Without facts to base it on, that will not help us at all, and in the worst case a PR may accidentally out himself to scum. It will also not help with finding scum, since they probably know just as much about roles and neutrals as us, so can easily just be part of the conversation without having to fear to slip up.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Alright. I'm going to name claim in 10 minutes unless you guys don't think it's a good idea.
Matt Attack
Member
I bolded what I think is the key in regards to my issues with role speculation. There are literally so many possibilities for what Sorian could have done with the roles in this game, and a relatively wide pool of characters that could fill each of those roles. Speculation without leads to go on just doesn't seem like a very wise move. While I hesitate to call it a fact at this point, Roy's blackmail claim is a good example of where role speculation (within reasonable bounds) is mostly okay in my book.
I don't really think it's a good idea. If we assume that scum has been given a list of names to use, then it seems pretty unlikely that a name claim is what's going to help you here. Furthermore, if you're town and don't get lynched, you probably won't want your name out there this early on.
CrimsonFist
Member
Same stance as day 1. Name claim likely won't mean a lot. Although if you think it will be useful to claim then go ahead.
fwiw, inactivity makes me uneasy about town being on the right track, so I'm not completely sold on you as scum right now.
fwiw, inactivity makes me uneasy about town being on the right track, so I'm not completely sold on you as scum right now.
Xamtheking
Member
I mean like
Ultimately it's your call
EzekelRAGE
Member
Is this another "joke"?
Xamtheking
Member
Brb watching paint dry
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Seriously though, where the hell is Hipster at?
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Seriously though, where the hell is Hipster at?
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Roleclaiming or name claiming right now is very Anti-Town but name claiming is less so.
It's honestly the only way of me getting out of the mess I led myself into though.
UNVOTE: MattAttack
I'm doing this because I feel like there is still some things that I need to check out. Also because it was sort of irrational.
It's honestly the only way of me getting out of the mess I led myself into though.
UNVOTE: MattAttack
I'm doing this because I feel like there is still some things that I need to check out. Also because it was sort of irrational.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
I think I'm actually going to vote for Hipster. Not as a prod, because I couldn't care less if he comes in now, but because he is the most inactive player and has done literally nothing to progress this game at all.
VOTE: Hipster Cthulhu
MattAttack has at least gave good information (even if it was against me) and is active enough.
VOTE: Hipster Cthulhu
MattAttack has at least gave good information (even if it was against me) and is active enough.
CrimsonFist
Member
Hipster would kind of be a policy lynch right now. He's been too inactive to form an opinion on one way or another, and I expect he'll be replaced if he doesn't show up soon.
Vote: TheGoddamn
There's a group of posters who I have no real strong opinion on. TheGoddamn stands out because his only real action today was voting CB when presented with Scrafty's ultimatum, under the excuse that it was the topical argument. Doesn't seem to have commented on the Xam issue either.
Vote: TheGoddamn
There's a group of posters who I have no real strong opinion on. TheGoddamn stands out because his only real action today was voting CB when presented with Scrafty's ultimatum, under the excuse that it was the topical argument. Doesn't seem to have commented on the Xam issue either.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
I was actually thinking about if Hipster was to get a replacement soon, and I wouldn't vote for him if he did, but right now I'm going to vote him. TheGoddamn was actually my 2nd pick though, so I would be willing to vote for him if it comes too it.
Great posts Matt Attack and roy. Summed up everything weird about TWE better than I could have, and pointed out some other oddities that I had missed or forgotten about. And now he says he's gonna do a name claim? We'll see where that goes I guess... I'll be at work again for the next few hours so I'll see what the situation is like when I get back.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
If you really think that I'm scum then vote for me. I don't understand why you are avoiding the fact.
I echo this sentiment. All drago has done this day phase was prodding people and giving a read list that consisted of 1 guy that didn't post yet and the 2 main lynch targets at that time. And now he goes "I find Edge the most suspect but will prod instead!", and his argument against Edge basically boils down to "what those guys said". Even if i take away the Quantumbro stuff, Drago is still pretty high up in my scum list.
I thought you onlky voted who you thought was scum.
Xamtheking
Member
RedFalco, where are you at, dawg?
You've posted semi-recently but I wanted to hear what you think of the current situation.
You've posted semi-recently but I wanted to hear what you think of the current situation.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
I do. That's why I voted Hipster.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
This is why I think he could be Mafia.
but you'd unvote him if he was replaced?
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Ehhhhhh, probably just because I would have an ulterior person to vote for in TheGoddamn
When I voted for QBro I had no ulterior person to vote for, and I kept my vote on him. Now I have a few more ideas.
CrimsonFist
Member
TheGoddamn, RedFalco, Ri'Orius and Hipster Cthulhu is my list of people who haven't checked in or commented on either Xam, or TheWorthyEdge. Any of you four want to check in?
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Of course not! Because they're safe!
TheWorthyEdge
Member
This is actually quite annoying.
Where is everyone? Just because they have their votes on me allows for them to not discuss anything anymore?
You guys are being more anti-town right now than I've ever been! LOL
Where is everyone? Just because they have their votes on me allows for them to not discuss anything anymore?
You guys are being more anti-town right now than I've ever been! LOL
Nice Edge analyses, Roy & Matt. I mean, I don't want to turn my back on my former Combat Buddy, but I definitely have to agree that a lot of his activity so far this game has been weird, either going off of straws or strange theories. However, Matt, I do think that voting out of the gate is just something Edge does. We were totally Rebel... Not Scum in the Star Wars game, yet he came out swinging against Lord of Castamere.
Nah, that was just a skin condition. And I can cover that for you, but this thread'll get real weird, real fast.
Dude, again?
Do you mean you and Xam, or the inactives?
I thought you looked like an alligator with a mustache? Also, if you are the actual Gumshoe trapped in the real world, I expect to be petted
Nah, that was just a skin condition. And I can cover that for you, but this thread'll get real weird, real fast.
Dude, again?
Do you mean you and Xam, or the inactives?