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So that new PPG show is really, REALLY bad.
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Samurai Jack is being done by Adult Swim I believe, I have more faith.
Samurai Jack is being done by the original creator and airing on Adult Swim/Toonami. I have a lot more faith for that.
A Link to the Past
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Yeah. If they were truly trying to make inroads, HIM would have been upgraded to perhaps a well-meaning anti-hero, or even an anti-villain.
Nah, the series never used Flash. Only time it was used was in the post-series The Powerpuff Girls Rule! special. And that was mainly due to Craig's experience on Foster's causing him to vastly prefer Flash to traditional.
Pokemaniac
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I'm not sure that would really work for the character. The implication has always been that Him is literally the embodiment of evil. You can't really make him less evil while staying true to the character.
Astral Dog
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The spider indian girl does not have anything on Sedusa
Astral Dog
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Im sorry, but HIM is an awesome villain just. how. he.is
BewareTheBatsie
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These can't be real.
Ginger Hail
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I feel like there's a new mistake found every day, but part of that might be because people are now intentionally trying to dig up anything they can find. Still a shame that the reboot's been handled so shaky thus far.
ColtraineGF
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I'm not really into this trend of screengrabbing individual incomplete frames and posting them as proof of some great wrong. Same goes for tweening frames and such.
Your favorite show probably has animation mistakes as well that are fixed for the rebroadcast/DVD/BR, so whatever. If you're going to criticise the show, criticise the show.
Your favorite show probably has animation mistakes as well that are fixed for the rebroadcast/DVD/BR, so whatever. If you're going to criticise the show, criticise the show.
RecRoulette
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Im sorry, but HIM is an awesome villain just. how. he.is
Seconding this. Also, that shot with the "property of" has to be fake right?
SigmasonicX
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Looking at the Twitter conversation used as the source, it's a fake.
Hot Coldman
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You're not wrong, but it's telling in itself that this is what people are noticing about the show. If it was well-written, the discourse would be entirely different.
How does something like this even happen in 2016?
If I had to venture a guess, much like Attack on Titan Production was rushed before quality control could be finished leading to messy animation in general. I'd have to hear more to see what exactly happened but right now this screams cash grab (sadly).
It's especially sad considering how strong CN's lineup is at the moment and then they dump PPG like this.
Apparently Mojo's dog teleports.
GabeTheGrouch76
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Even though the show's animation is kind of a big part of the show itself?
Sure, other shows have animation mistakes too, but the difference is that those other shows slipups could at least be excused for generally being of a high quality of work otherwise (at least in most cases). A fair amount of what we've seen of the new PPG show is rather dubious of quality in general. Errors like these that are popping up are just another element added to it, especially --if some of these screencaps are genuine-- how egregious they are.
And "trend"? Far from it. People have been pointing out animation errors for all types of shows over the years (Attack on Titan, The Simpsons, Sonic Underground, GI Joe are some that come to mind); but obviously people are focusing on this show in particular because that's what the thread topic is about.
ColtraineGF
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I just feel that if this is all that people can come up with to talk about when the conversation is focused on how bad a show is, then the entire exercise loses steam. Mistakes in a vacuum, placed in a tweet with a caption "#1 reason X show is trainwreck" is low effort commentary.
And people will discuss mistakes in a positive light with shows that are regarded as great - take a look at any Simpsons discussion about how off-model adds "charm" and "heart" to older seasons. Or a discussion on how the unfinished animation of Eva's final episodes represents Shinji's state of mind.
Well yes - every show is inherently visual. And there are animation mistakes in even the most high budget productions, even in 3D flicks where scenes are meticulously planned out.
And this thread did not start out on this level - interesting topics, like how the show mishandled transgendered issues, or how the excuses to include some characters over others, or the strength of certain scenes in terms of writing, dialogue, characterizatiom - those are discussions.
2 second clips of characters clipping through other characters are not exactly rich topics to delve into.
Going off your point, keep in mind these are ANIMATED shows. The animation often elevates a show or sinks it. It creates emotional connections to the characters, it conveys personality, it can land or sink a joke. Even generally well animated shows like AT and Steven Universe have animation errors if you are eagle eyed but 99% of the time they are on point.
A ton of of the PPG comes off as sadly lazy. The backgrounds are flat and uninspired. The models are everywhere it seems. Errors are front and center it seems and reeks of rushed production. It is a damn shame considering how much love went into the OG series. Especially the beatdowns. I'd rather keep this concise since I can harp on this for hours.
ColtraineGF
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Mind you, I'm not defending the newer series, as I'm not watching it for one reason or another (not too interested). If layout and whatever is going to be discussed, then go right on ahead and do that. Just marking out what I think, since I've seen this done a lot with recent shows that are otherwise not really talked about.
So, I've seen episode 5 now. Yeah it was awful transphobic trash. The particular writers for that show should really reflect on themselves there. It was real painful to watch. Absolute wart on the whole show - that episode by itself ain't worth a rewatch.
When it comes to the WBB stuff- I still think the excuses people make for memes suddenly being ok in it while not in PPG are so dumb. Yeah WBB had a whole episode focused around the sneeze, but it's still a "decade old meme" (literally) like The Hangover is a almost-decade-old movie. And outside of that WBB just uses macros and other internet-isms as reference jokes just like PPG uses memes. You can't avoid it.
In other news, assuming this was the episode about the girls turning old this was probably the best episode I've seen in the series thus far. It explained why they're in a new school, seemed to reference that old episode when they become teens, and by golly Mojo's use was amazing.
I know it was unintentional but the dog leash disappearing mid-frame and then ceasing to exist was hilarious. Absolutely incredible oversight.
When it comes to the WBB stuff- I still think the excuses people make for memes suddenly being ok in it while not in PPG are so dumb. Yeah WBB had a whole episode focused around the sneeze, but it's still a "decade old meme" (literally) like The Hangover is a almost-decade-old movie. And outside of that WBB just uses macros and other internet-isms as reference jokes just like PPG uses memes. You can't avoid it.
In other news, assuming this was the episode about the girls turning old this was probably the best episode I've seen in the series thus far. It explained why they're in a new school, seemed to reference that old episode when they become teens, and by golly Mojo's use was amazing.
I know it was unintentional but the dog leash disappearing mid-frame and then ceasing to exist was hilarious. Absolutely incredible oversight.
Fair enough. I too am willing to give the show some leeway. 1st seasons can be rough, but I can see why people are popping up red flags for this show.
The fact it is a beloved series amplifies critiques up to 11 as well.
iddqd. Animation errors aside your episode is probably the best out of the lot so far.
The fact it is a beloved series amplifies critiques up to 11 as well.
iddqd. Animation errors aside your episode is probably the best out of the lot so far.
Hence why I am give most series some leeway. When the artists get a grasp on their style for a show it tends to be a lot more consistent.
The first like 25 episodes of SU were pretty rough. Like, hard to watch again rough. Mostly for the art style.
The first season of Adventure Time is a little rough too but it's still good.
This is just embarrassingly bad.
all these complaints make me feel like the show is doing what I always imagined this "remake" to be and what it sorta always was meant to.
I mean, is it that hard to picture this now having Bubbles go all "YAASSS QUEEN" and being tumblr-centric or whatever the fuck
that's what the target audience is into now
of course it sucks for me, why wouldnt it
I mean, is it that hard to picture this now having Bubbles go all "YAASSS QUEEN" and being tumblr-centric or whatever the fuck
that's what the target audience is into now
of course it sucks for me, why wouldnt it
IceDoesntHelp
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i'm at a loss for words
There was a lot more stuff with the dog, they cut it and I guess ran out of time to check for continuity.
And thanks for liking Ep 12 dity, I can tell you that there was a ton of more stuff with Mojo etc.
I'm going to see where that file is and put it on my website.
EPISODE 12, UNCUT!
MORE MOJO THAN YOU CAN HANDLE.
I also liked how there was a little Professor side story. I was always a fan of episodes where he'd be off doing his own thing.
MisterGrey3000
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Not sure why you included my post but...
It's possible to like things while critiquing them.
HIM is cool (probably my favorite villain from the series), but he's also a very stereotypical played-out sissy villain creepy crossdresser relic character with tons of homophobic and effemiphobic qualities; he can come off as really offensive to a lot of people, and it's clear that a lot of what makes him unnerving has to do with his gender expression and even sexuality- like when he licks the professor-. Which makes sense given that he was created by straight men in the 90s.
The point of my post was questioning why they saw fit to remove Miss Bellum for being problematic while keeping the effeminate crossdressing queer devil man who's the embodiment of all evil in a society where a lot of the representation effeminate queer men get in the media involves psychotic villainy or gross out gags.
It's just a little odd to me that this flew over their heads.
I believe what happened was that they are making choices based on what they think "progressive" people want rather than actually make an honest effort to write better, more progressive themes, this is why they removed Bellum, "She is sexy! feminists will hate her!" they think rather than actually realize the character was more complex than that, "We made a trans allegory! millenials will eat it up, quick make a press release!" they think rather than analyze the fucking trainwreck they wrote.
I know people have an adverse reaction to the usage of this word, but im sorry, this is a textbook example of writers pandering to a certain audience, only this people are clueless and out of touch with the people they're trying to pander to, it keeps backfiring.
psynergylover
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These can't be real.
LOL!!! I can't!!!!
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Stop this madness!!!
Stormhammer
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most of those jokes feel years late.. what have they done to you PPG 
The way I see it, if you're trying to zero in on a specific target audience with a reboot of a classic show that had very broad appeal then you're already missing the point. People still look back at PPG episodes nearly 20 years later and say they're great, no one will look back at YAAAS or Me Gusta or these hamfisted attempts at being progressive and say "man that reboot was on point!".
ThePrequelsSuck
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CN has sucked since 2006.
Stabby McSter
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Oh hey, I saw that episode. I'm pretty sure the dog disappears at one point, too.
nah
ThePrequelsSuck
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Even on its own merits, this reboot is really poorly done. Of course it could never compare to the original, but it's just a bad show in general.
Yeah no your completely wrong, Steven Universe, Adventure Time, Regular Show, are just some that are really good.
How does something like this even happen in 2016?
More than once in this show apparently.
ThePrequelsSuck
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Ok, CN sucked from 2005-2010, but since 2010 has been getting good again.
BaronMonstro
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Yeah, during that period Cartoon Network was barely Cartoon Network, with all those cheesey teen live-action shows that they were airing.
More than once in this show apparently.
that's probably just a really bad shot but what hell is up with quality of the drawings here? the far background is okay but everything else is extremely amateurish.
How does something like this even happen in 2016?
Meh small mistakes like that can still happen. If it happening quite a few times through, then hopefully they will iron that out more as production goes on.
Also Princess Morbucks looks fabulous as usual.
ThePrequelsSuck
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But during that time, CN was running lame cartoons such as "Squirrel Boy", "My Gym Partner is a Monkey", and "Camp Lazlo".
Japanmanx3
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This is breaking my heart...
Astral Dog
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If Him was a weak villain i would agree with you, but what makes him work is that he is one of the most threatening and powerful enemies the girls ever face, with no sure way how to stop him, he has magical powers, knows how to trick the girls psychologically, is powerful, and even would be the villain that rules the world when the girls are not there to protect it.
All this despite his effeminate manerisms or way of dressing, wich is a bit stereotypical, but dont take away how powerful and evil he is.
It does not always work, like Mojo who goes from pathetic butt monkey to dangerous (even worst) enemy frequently, but Him is one of the best parts of the whole show.
edit: the newest versions like the anime try to downplay it and make Him more of a jester joke or the new show wich is more or less the same but far worse, as he lacks what made him a fun baddie.
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