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Sony brags about charging for something Nintendo doesn't.
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This just in!
Sony brags about charging for something Nintendo doesn't.
News at 11.
This just in!
Sony brags about charging for something Nintendo doesn't.
News at 11.
So what did Microsoft make from Xbox Live alone during the same period?
Is that data even available? I'm sure it's a huge number.
And ZhugeEX reported the wrong numbers in his tweet. He makes mistakes like this pretty frequently when posting. Quite apart from his banned status, this is a good reason to go by primary sources and not his reposts.Which is the exact same place Zhuge got his, and the article wouldn't exist if he hadn't pointed out the relationship. My point is that the guy's info contributes a lot to this site and yet he's being treated like a pariah, when other outlets clearly feel differently.
The results are obvious and I simply cannot believe how Nintendo managed to survived this whole generation with such an awful vision. Despite all of that, I genuinely hope they can turn things around with NX.
He was a cool and informative guy. I still wonder what this was.And ZhugeEX reported the wrong numbers in his tweet. He makes mistakes like this pretty frequently when posting. Quite apart from his banned status, this is a good reason to go by primary sources and not his reposts.
I've just looked through the Financial Results and i can not see anywhere where it quotes the profit from PSN...
The quote that was added to the OP from Donnie quotes $785 million, but that is the same figure as the one in the OP, which is for all of 'Playstation'.
Where is the profit figure for just PSN?
Sorry if I'm being pedantic, but I can't find any proof of the OP title. I'm not saying it's not true, but I'd like to know the figure.
You're misunderstanding the title. It's "made more money" as in revenue, not profit. Look again and you'll see that the ~500 billion yen numbers from PSN and the whole of Nintendo are explicitly stated as sales. The sentence that compares profit states Nintendo versus Playstation (i.e. Sony's entire gaming division), not PSN.I've just looked through the Financial Results and i can not see anywhere where it quotes the profit from PSN...
Sorry if I'm being pedantic, but I can't find any proof of the OP title.
Looks like customers are already doing that.
They're not actually skipping E3, they're just not showing any NX stuff in their E3 direct.I wish NX would improve, but currently they look as delusional as ever. Piss poor Federation Force damage control, contuining Sticker Star despite fan feedback, no cross buy for a new SNES VC, terrible Starfox, charging extra for the laughing stock Project Guard and now skipping E3 and keeping the image that until march (at earliest) you won't get another console game from them. I thought WiiU would have taught them the right things, but currently I'm starting to lose all hope.
About Nintendo not charging for online...
Sony saw the money left on the table thats why they charged on PS4. With an asterisk....because F2P doesnt need Plus.
Nintendo could do something similar as not charging for all online play but some.
If Nintendo does charge I have to believe they wont charge for F2P too. Especially with them dipping into mobile.
I agree it is risky tho. All this just makes me curious about what NX will be, do.
Looks like customers are already doing that.
PSN won't elevate to XBL levels of greatness until they stuff ads into the primary-focus areas of the OS.
Imagine for a moment online Pokémon Battles/Trading behind a Nintendo Network paywall.i think they will have to just to get a solid consumer base they can rely on. what they offer in it might be different from the competition, but they've been doing a lot of online multiplayer recently so it's hard to say. splatoon, smash, and mario kart might be a good ransom in order to get people to commit to the service.
I guess it's impressive but what is not that impressive to me is that Sony made 88.7bn yen in total profits on playstation compared to Nintendos 32.8bn yen
Especially when you take into account Sony sold almost 18 million ps4s compared to however many Wii Us Nintendo sold. I can't find it, just 200k in the past 3 months so a million maybe?
It seems to me like if Nintendo actually had a decently selling third place console they'd make more money off it than Sony does on PS in first place.
Seriously, how did they not even make three times Nintendo's profits when they sold about 18* as many consoles as they did? Seems odd.
The ps4 costs a lot to make.
I guess it's impressive but what is not that impressive to me is that Sony made 88.7bn yen in total profits on playstation compared to Nintendos 32.8bn yen
Especially when you take into account Sony sold almost 18 million ps4s compared to however many Wii Us Nintendo sold. I can't find it, just 200k in the past 3 months so a million maybe?
It seems to me like if Nintendo actually had a decently selling third place console they'd make more money off it than Sony does on PS in first place.
Seriously, how did they not even make three times Nintendo's profits when they sold about 18* as many consoles as they did? Seems odd.
My guess is that although the 3DS isn't as successful as the DS, it is still decent enough to push Nintendo numbers.
I agree though, sometimes it feels Sony isn't capitalizing enough on its win.
I guess it's impressive but what is not that impressive to me is that Sony made 88.7bn yen in total profits on playstation compared to Nintendos 32.8bn yen
Especially when you take into account Sony sold almost 18 million ps4s compared to however many Wii Us Nintendo sold. I can't find it, just 200k in the past 3 months so a million maybe?
It seems to me like if Nintendo actually had a decently selling third place console they'd make more money off it than Sony does on PS in first place.
Seriously, how did they not even make three times Nintendo's profits when they sold about 18* as many consoles as they did? Seems odd.
Nintendo has more first party software, and also sells a lot of high margin items like Amiibo, licensed content from their IP, and more Amiibo.
Oh fuck off. You always bring confusion into sales threads. I dont know why you keep coming back here after you've been banned 3 times. Especially for using chartz numbers.
This is my only and final post on the matter
He's looking at the Xbox booth.
Xbox One has been very popular on social media in China recently as evidenced by this picture.....
My best friend is black too.
Did you put much thought process into this? You realise that Nintendo sells way more than the Wii U, yes?I guess it's impressive but what is not that impressive to me is that Sony made 88.7bn yen in total profits on playstation compared to Nintendos 32.8bn yen
Especially when you take into account Sony sold almost 18 million ps4s compared to however many Wii Us Nintendo sold. I can't find it, just 200k in the past 3 months so a million maybe?
It seems to me like if Nintendo actually had a decently selling third place console they'd make more money off it than Sony does on PS in first place.
Seriously, how did they not even make three times Nintendo's profits when they sold about 18* as many consoles as they did? Seems odd.
Well they are leaking massive money if amiibo is high margin, since they sold 20million in last 1 year
*edit: changed number
Did you put much thought process into this? You realise that Nintendo sells way more than the Wii U, yes?
Also nevermind that its more than five times the profit on like-for-like comparison, or much higher as a proportion of revenue.
I did yes and I'm well aware Nintendo sells more than the Wii U however the PS4 sold more than the 3DS and Wii U combined by quite a lot. Sony also makes more gaming related items than just the PS4. They also sell subscriptions to play online which Nintendo does not, have a home console user base that's probably 5* as high as Nintendo's and actually have third-party games that sell on their systems, which they take a cut of.
And no, it says right in the OP, Nintendo made 6.5% profit off its revnue while Sony made 5.7% profit.
I'm not really sure what you mean by five times the profit on like-for-like comparison. PS4 to Wii U sales profits? Then I would still expect it to be much higher than five times that considering they sold 18x as many consoles in the same time frame.
Like someone said above, it seems like Sony isn't capitalizing on its success and to me they should be making a lot more than they currently are.
It's actually over 5 times more when you use FX accounted numbers from both
Sony 88.7 billion yen
Nintendo 16.5 billion yen
better than xbl last gen?
Game & Network Services:
Hardware - 721,829
Network - 529,318
Other - 228,628
Total - 1,479,775
There is no point spinning this. Why would you expect it to be much higher? Your multipliers does not make sense. Profits dont scale like that.
This just in!
Sony brags about charging for something Nintendo doesn't.
News at 11.
I've noticed some confusion about the status of using ZhugeEX as a news source and I think we need to clear the air about it, as the previous messages may be ambiguous to some. I'm going to note in advance that I have neither banned ZhugeEX nor had any direct interactions with him on or off the site. I say that not to clear myself of any perceived culpability as to why he is banned, but just to note in advance that I don't have any personal vandetta against the user and can try to speak objectively on the situation (italics added to note you don't automatically need to defer to my judgement).
Now I think there's some confusion among users as to whether or not news Zhuge is reporting can be discussed here. And the shortest answer I can give in response is a question: why are we discussing a Zhuge tweet? If this is real, legitimate breaking news, then obviously I don't think it behooves us -- one of the most active gaming forums on the internet -- to ignore it just because of who the source is. But is this stuff really news that is being broken by Zhuge? That's sort of the problem.
We don't usually go into detail about user bans, but in this case it may warrant more transparency than what is usually offered. It may also require me to go on a bit of a tangent about how moderation works here. Firstly, he was banned three times for on site reasons before finally getting booted permanently for off-site reasons. Let's go through them.
Ban 1: Telling another user to "fuck off."
Ban 2: Needless console warrior nonsense while reporting on an event in Shanghai.
Ban 3: This idiotic post in response to someone arguing that they think the Xbox One has a better lineup.
Now this in and of itself doesn't paint the picture of such a problematic poster that deserves a permanent ban. But the offsite behavior just became intolerable to us. Here's where I explain moderation. Moderators here are not paid. Now that's not meant as an argument to drum up sympathy and lobby for pay. I'm just providing context. We are volunteers who do this in our spare time. That doesn't mean that we are automatically off the hook for any mistakes that we make. But I do think it's worth understanding the situation. Users don't pay to post here and we aren't paid to moderate. So it's not like there's tons of pressure for volunteer mods to peer review and antagonize each other nor are there layers of middle management in place to meticulously oversee the decisions we make. Now there is some degree of peer review both before and after bans. We often consult before bans and most of us read the internal ban review thread as new bans are made. Where I'm going with this is to caution that if you ask Mod A about a ban and don't get the answer you want, proceeding to go ask Mods B & C probably aren't going to yield more fruitful results.
That's just some background. The flipside is that a site needs users to succeed. I understand that if people feel like they are being punished unjustly, they deserve some recourse. People often find a way to argue their case off site. Whether it's finding a mod on social media or sending an email to the support site, I don't think users should feel intimidated into not speaking up if they have issues. I'd say more often than not even if a decision isn't overturned, the arguments are at least read and considered. That may not be of great solace to you, but I just think it's important to note that complaints aren't summarily tossed aside as we arrogant assholes laugh from on high. I think we all know that the site isn't as big as it is just to see us put on a moderation clinic. Honestly, I think the better the job we do the less noticeable it is that we're doing anything at all.
But going back to Zhuge, the issue was that he would pester whoever would listen offsite about what a grave injustice each ban was. And it wasn't just a one-off venting post, but a constant barrage of complaints. Particularly worse was zeroing in on the mod that banned him the first time after learning who was responsible which is information that is almost never given out. After his second ban, he claimed not to understand why he was banned. A mod put him in touch with the mod who banned him. He asked for an explanation. The mod explained. He asked for more explanation. The mod continued to explain. He sent them constant twitter DMs arguing about it to the point where from our perspective it rose to the level of harassment. This was discussed by the mod team, but the mod in question requested that we not take any further action at the time, since we generally prefer not to moderate offsite behavior except in extreme cases. While all this was going on, Zhuge was also asking people to post things in various threads for him, and encouraging them to PM mods about his ban. All this over a three week ban.
Even now, he acts utterly bewildered as to why he was banned when from our vantage point it seems pretty clear. As best I can tell, he expected special treatment because of his status of breaking news and sales numbers. And while that may be of some utility, I want to note that it doesn't make him a celebrity. He provides some useful analysis and translations of information that is out there, and has access to some proprietary sales data, but he's not a hard-hitting journalist out there dishing out scoops that can't be found anywhere else. There was this feeling that he provided an invaluable service to the forum. And because of that, he seemed to feel justified borderline harassing anyone on staff that would listen about why he shouldn't have been banned each and every time.
Whereas we feel as though it's just as much about trying to promote himself as it is about being helpful and wanting to participate in our community. That's the issue now. If legitimate news is being broken and Zhuge is the source, then I don't think it's a problem to discuss it here. And if we're going to do that, then it's only fair to state where the news came from and properly source it. But as he is a permabanned member, we're not interested in providing him a platform so that he can promote himself as a newsmaker. And that's where the issues we were noticing came from.
Looking at his Twitter, the situation is all over the place:
https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/725575824779415552
Here he asks for this to be posted on our site. This is clearly not kosher. If he wasn't banned we wouldn't be fine with him promoting his own Twitter. Why would we encourage someone doing it on his behalf?
https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/725731094289633280
Later he complains about not knowing why he was banned and complains that we use his tweets despite him being banned immediately after complaining that he can't be sourced because he's banned: https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/725730793809543168
Given what has transpired, there's no interest on our part in reconsidering Zhuge's ban. We understand if you as a user feel somewhat uneasy as you think that Zhuge was a great, informative poster. But we feel more than justified sticking to our decision here. And our feeling is not one of feeling needlessly petty about completely shutting the door on an ex-member in as much as we are not interested in promoting a banned user's efforts to analyze and/or re-report news that can be found from other sources.
You're misunderstanding the title. It's "made more money" as in revenue, not profit. Look again and you'll see that the ~500 billion yen numbers from PSN and the whole of Nintendo are explicitly stated as sales. The sentence that compares profit states Nintendo versus Playstation (i.e. Sony's entire gaming division), not PSN.
I guess it's impressive but what is not that impressive to me is that Sony made 88.7bn yen in total profits on playstation compared to Nintendos 32.8bn yen
Especially when you take into account Sony sold almost 18 million ps4s compared to however many Wii Us Nintendo sold. I can't find it, just 200k in the past 3 months so a million maybe?
It seems to me like if Nintendo actually had a decently selling third place console they'd make more money off it than Sony does on PS in first place.
Seriously, how did they not even make three times Nintendo's profits when they sold about 18* as many consoles as they did? Seems odd.