Glass Rebel
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What's in it for nVidia if they're taking a loss on this deal?
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SemiAccurate: Nintendo NX handheld to use Nvidia Tegra-based Soc
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fabricated backlash
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LOL, to be young again.
SmartWaffles
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Say goodbye to third party support?
fabricated backlash
Member
The prestigious honour to have their chip in a shrinking/declining market segment?
What third party support? They'd have to be there in the first place to say goodbye.
Er... We're talking about the handheld though. They get plenty of support there unless all those JP publishers just don't exist.
Mithos
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I hope they overclock it if they use an X1 in the home console.
THE Caffeinated
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Is all this NX being an ecosystem thing fact or "fact"?
dragonelite
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Not if the ps4k and Xbox 1.5 rumors are true.
Developers will likely have to spend resources to also support those two.
A weak Nintendo console like the Wii and wiiu
Is something im waiting for.
Bitch Pudding
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Wait, with AMD confirming more than one new semi-customed chip in the upcoming months, doesn't this development "confirm" that we'll see an upgraded XBOX One quite soon as well?
Principate
Saint Titanfall
It's one of the only piece of information Iwata mentioned about NX at all, describing the form factors to be sisters, like the ipad iphone and android.
Yup Nvidia doesn't even accept anything less than fat margins.
Milly Osworth
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That's like calling an aunt that moved to Australia 10 ago to say "Bye".
LukasTaves
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So NX is basically Nintendo's UWP for their devices.
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/130131/05.html
NX is basically nintendo's back-end (i guess you can think of it as an operating system, but it's not really) that unifies all their consoles going forward.
That's really interesting, didn't know that was their goal.
Very interesting times ahead.
Edit: Imagine if they can bring the NX platform to mobile devices like iOs and Android. Things would get REALLY interesting.
Eolz
Member
From the start, Iwata talked about multiple NX devices, working together "like brothers", using comparisons with Android.
Take from that what you will.
They're going for the best deal, not the one that necessarily makes the most sense. Have to think about custom chips and who would allow this too.
I think this could still very much happen.
Chances are Apple were at least looking into it.
If this was true (broken clock, twice a day, etc), it would be a good thing for Nintendo. One of their biggest issues is tool support, and NV has pretty good development tools -- and easily the best GL drivers out of any graphics manufacturer on mobile.
(Everyone unfamiliar should really check the history of that site. I think they traditionally predict the death of NV once per year -- usually followed by another record earnings report)
That sounds like SemiAccurate fanfiction alright!
(Everyone unfamiliar should really check the history of that site. I think they traditionally predict the death of NV once per year -- usually followed by another record earnings report)
It's SemiAccurate. This is how they actually think companies operate.
HandsomeCharles
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It's not an unknown tactic. Taking a loss on an initial sale/contract to either hook the client or to deny your competitors the sale. It's an incredibly common tactic in retail, and it's something that Pepsi/Coke do all the time (They will in some cases give their product for free under the condition that a vendor does not stock the competing product)
But only time will tell!
michaelius
Banned
Well that's actually promising - might be first Nintendo handheld with good hardware inside.
And I wouldn't take rest of Charlie analysis too seriously - his hate for Nvidia is well known
And I wouldn't take rest of Charlie analysis too seriously - his hate for Nvidia is well known
Coulomb_Barrier
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Well that's actually promising - might be first Nintendo handheld with good hardware inside.
And I wouldn't take rest of Charlie analysis too seriously - his hate for Nvidia is well known
Problem is though that for the games to be seamless between handheld and console, the specs will have to have equivalence as well.
If this Tegra is compared to the PS4 Neo with Polaris - the most powerful APU in the world by a some distance - it looks extremely underpowered.
Relaxed Muscle
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I don't buy that Nvidia would sell their chips on a loss.
Why would they have the need to do so? It goes againsts totally how the company operates.
You'll get your Samurai Warriors ports and you'll be happy.
lol
Seriously though, since the shared architecture is making more sense by the day, the chances that all that 3rd party support 3DS had, will transfer to NX as well.
Which mostly amounts to japanese handheld level support.
Why would they have the need to do so? It goes againsts totally how the company operates.
You'll get your Samurai Warriors ports and you'll be happy.
lol
Seriously though, since the shared architecture is making more sense by the day, the chances that all that 3rd party support 3DS had, will transfer to NX as well.
Which mostly amounts to japanese handheld level support.
PdotMichael
Banned
Good, that they aren't "seamless"
People should just stop trying to push that fandream of buying Nintendo games only once.
You should read Thraktors hypothesis on this on the first or second page. If the chip in question is the Tegra X1 it makes much sense. Basically, Nvidia may be giving Nintendo this deal in order to avoid a large fine if they don't produce enough of these chips.
Eolz
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I don't remember it being ever said that transition between both will be "seamless", and we still don't know if PS4K will get Polaris (likely not), which makes your post a bit weird.
I got no issues there if we see some handheld JRPGs playing on the home system. Same for Monster Hunter.
Graphics Horse
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I've long been asking for a more intuitive touch interface that can show your thumb locations on your main screen before you touch. Sony's clickable pad was a good start but it's underutilized. Nintendo at least have shown an interest in optical finger tracking via various patent applications.
Considering the rumor says the portable NX console will feature a Tegra SOC (TX1 or Parker), which is still an ARM SOC, it'd be stupid and a massive waste of resources in my opinion, for Nintendo not to fork and use the Android Kernel as a base for their portable NX OS.
Even if they go down that road though, I doubt they will end up straight up porting to smartphones, as that would render their mobile console obsolete. Not even second screen apps make sense, if they keep their two screen clamshell design of their portable console, going forward.
A more social aspect would be perfect though. Apps for stuff like Mii customization, scoreboards, messages, etc...
If Nintendo skips the smaller form handheld and sticks to XL-sized ones, it might be possible. Still, unlike a phone the handheld has extra stuff inside that eats away battery space. I'm still unsure if NVidia can break the spell and deliver something usable on such power and thermal envelope (Shield tablets get hot.)
It would indeed be awesome if true, specially if it uses a Vulkan-like API.
It would indeed be awesome if true, specially if it uses a Vulkan-like API.
JonathanPower
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I highly doubt that. Interesting news.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
I think that the days of 'desktop-like' APIs on consoles are done - it will be straight Vulkan with some extensions on the NX, likewise on the next-gen PS, and on the XB it's been DX for some time now.
Read the title again. Specifically, the fourth word.
There's one major reason why forking Android sounds unlikely: it's reliance on Java. Google is constantly under attack by Oracle due to that and Nintendo would be quite the juicy target target as well. Nobody writes games for Android using Dalvik, it's always NDK (which is C/C++ and OpenGL ES, nothing really Android specific) or NDK-based engines (Unity, UE4, Cocos, etc), with Java being merely a necessary annoyance to deal with. Also, Google loves to change stuff up on an yearly basis (they just switched to a completely different build system recently, fundamentally changing how you setup your projects) so after two years compatibility would degrade and "getting easy Android ports" would cease to be an advantage.
Google is even rumored to be looking into ways to get rid of Java as Android's "first class language", with Swift being a rumored candidate.
Fourth Storm
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It's supposedly pretty certain that Nintendo got a bargain on the chips, but I would digest the "Nvidia taking losses" bit with an additional teaspoon of salt. As I wrote in the OP, Charlie only has one source on that. The rest of the info he seems quite confident in, but it is tinted with his trademark anti-Nvidia commentary.
Coulomb_Barrier
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It's almost a certainty that the PS4 Neo has a Polaris-level GPU going by the almost confirmed specs. Do some research.
Very good points, I completely forgot about java. But does it go all the way down to the Kernel of Android? I thought that was more C/C++ than java. Even then, the issue with the Kernel being fucked with by Google persists.
Eolz
Member
Noy really, it's one of the main possibilities but people are jumping way too quickly to conclusions as usual.
Close to Polaris on paper doesn't confirm Polaris.
Anyway, that's not really the topic there.
Eolz
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Is that just a copy of the SA article or just the guy doing that now that someone else started it?
Milly Osworth
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"We should expect a full reveal at E3 2016 in June, and NVIDIA stock to rise significantly once the news is confirmed."
Seems legit.
I'm wondering exactly the same thing.
Whoa!
Jen-Hsun Huang said:
(From Q1 2016 Earnings Call...yeah, I'm totally looking through these.)
I don't know about that whole "NVIDIA is sorry" and groveling to Nintendo things with free everything. But, they could certainly cut a deal. Say, for the extra NVIDIA recognition on their handheld, boxes, in ads, etc. that they have to allow their streaming game service to be available/usable on the system?
I don't know about that whole "it's not Android" thing being true. Where did that rumor come from? If Nintendo built their own NintendOS on top of Android, it could play nice with that whole ecosystem if they wanted. Plus, it definitely would address the "no games Nintendo" argument that they've had to face for a long time.
With no NVIDIA in this space, there's really no play like it!
Wasn't the last Tweaktown rumor just pulling that ridiculous claim that the new Xbox is 4 times more powerful than the PS4 Neo? I'm pretty sure they're claiming they have sources when it's probably us/SA. Also a E3 2016 reveal, that guy has no idea what he's talking about.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
'Nintendo working with NV on a handheld for the second time is a big, big deal.. Oh.'
AHA-Lambda
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I for one am shocked
Gamer @ Heart
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I don't really believe that nvidia would ever sign a contract at a loss.
Unless the really expect what they make to lead to other Android device contracts. Or maybe a stepping stone to show don't and Microsoft they are back to playing ball?
I wonder what mobile GPUs will eveb look like by late 2017
Unless the really expect what they make to lead to other Android device contracts. Or maybe a stepping stone to show don't and Microsoft they are back to playing ball?
I wonder what mobile GPUs will eveb look like by late 2017