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[Inuhanyou]

I took one a few posts up.
I guess I'll just move it here since it was an edit:

Yeah thanks.

Seeing as how they were most likely working independently and had to recreate these assets from scratch in a real time environment without the lee way of prerendering higher detailed assets for specific scenes, it seems like that is the compromise they came to in altering certain models and lighting conditions.

Like their FFX/X2 work, the asset changes are controversial..i still think these scenes are not bad though, just different.

in the trailer, during the elevator shaft segment with harley, i noticed that the lighting was completely redone, the original was just a nasty orange and blue hue all the time, showing its earlier UE3 roots, but now that segment is completely full of color and more dynamic

 

[rhandino]

So it does not include Origins and the new textures and light effects are not really a complete improvment over the originals?

Flop collection, WB tried iT!

 

[KingBroly]

The lighting is all kinds of fucked up. Like...where's the tone? The Hugo Strange picture misses SO MUCH about what's going on, from the glare of the light, to Bruce being in Strange's glasses. All that shit's gone. What the hell?

 

[joeygreco1985]

60 FPS or no buy

 

[pHand]

How about ludicrous model scaling!

I appreciate I'm being a little facetious, they all had their fair share of jank. But perhaps fixing origins was too big a job? With a bit of luck we'll get it on 360BC around the time of release, now that double disc games are coming.

The scaling was really all over the place. The car gets brought up the most, but there are lots of other examples: http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=21809

And I'll never understand why people think Origins had the best bosses. It certainly had the most, but aside from Deathstroke, they're all heavily derivative of AC bosses. In fact, they basically just took the multiple phases from the Ra's Al Ghul fight and separated them into smaller, more contained fights: https://www.reddit.com/r/batman/comments/1v2p9o/arkham_origins_boss_fights_are_all_ras_al_ghul/

 

[Corpekata]

Most of the videos where batman is not directly in control are video files, not real time which i am assuming all of the current gen versions are. It would probably be hard to emulate that 100%, and i am assuming they are just using the models they remade for gameplay for this remaster for those cutscenes as well.

No they aren't. While the game does have some videos for a few elaborate scenes, most of those were in-engine in the original too.

 

[DrGonzo615]

Yeah thanks.

Seeing as how they were most likely working independently and had to recreate these assets from scratch in a real time environment without the lee way of prerendering higher detailed assets for specific scenes, it seems like that is the compromise they came to in altering certain models and lighting conditions.

Like their FFX/X2 work, the asset changes are controversial..i still think these scenes are not bad though, just different.

in the trailer, during the elevator shaft segment with harley, i noticed that the lighting was completely redone, the original was just a nasty orange and blue hue all the time, showing its earlier UE3 roots, but now that segment is completely full of color and more dynamic

Yeah going back and watching the trailer, it definitely looks like the remaster screenshots are in there but some of the other scenes look like theyve been cleaned up a bit. Hopefully these shots are worst case scenarios.

 

[Inuhanyou]

No they aren't. While the game does have some videos for a few elaborate scenes, all of those were in-engine in the original too.

In engine = Prerendered

You can tell on 360 which videos were prerendered cause of the compression and macroblocking, and for AA, that was almost all of them. City as well had a lot, although i don't know to what degreet.

 

[Kazuhira]

More screenies courtesy of gearnuke..the rest of these dont appear to be such of an outright downgrade as the Hugo Strange screenie, but the Joker pic looks kinda off in the remaster too, less detail in the hair.

Remaster

Original

Remaster

Original

Remaster

Original

it's a hit-and-miss for me,some of those screens look better but the faces look terrible.

 

[DJwest]

No Origins, no buy, hell, I'd have bought it it was only City and Origins. I don't miss Asylum.

 

[Souldestroyer Reborn]

This was what I thought until I noticed the redone textures. Only one that looks remotely better to me is the Solomon Grundy shot. I guess some of the changes to Fries are nice



Man, you are in for a treat. My favourite new series from last gen. I genuinely jealous that you get to experience them for the first time.

I honestly don't know why i've never played them. I really enjoy the Batman universe and i remember wanting to play them, i think they just sorta fell off the radar for me.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

This is so strange. Why port to UE4?

 

[killroy87]

it's a hit-and-miss for me,some of those screens look better but the faces look terrible.

Either way, certainly not the type of upgrade you'd expect. I shouldn't have to be leaning into my monitor to find aspects that look improved.

Still more to see, but these are some pretty poor first impressions.

 

[Permanently A]

Why do the OP screenshots look fantastic but the recent ones look garbage?

 

[Diablohead]

Asylum has quite a few FMV's so I guess they remade them in-engine for this version, looking at it.

Hugo strange looks terrible, i'm now worried that this is a quick slap-up job and that's why it's console only too, quick and easy resell money.

 

[bryanee]

Why do the OP screenshots look fantastic but the recent ones look garbage?

Well we probably have bull shots in the OP and shit screen grabs for the recent ones.

Hugo strange looks terrible, i'm now worried that this is a quick slap-up job and that's why it's console only too, quick and easy resell money.

It would be weird if it was a quick slap-up job considering they took the effort to port it over to UE4.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

The scaling was really all over the place. The car gets brought up the most, but there are lots of other examples: http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=21809

And I'll never understand why people think Origins had the best bosses. It certainly had the most, but aside from Deathstroke, they're all heavily derivative of AC bosses. In fact, they basically just took the multiple phases from the Ra's Al Ghul fight and separated them into smaller, more contained fights: https://www.reddit.com/r/batman/comments/1v2p9o/arkham_origins_boss_fights_are_all_ras_al_ghul/

Yup. Really don't know why people get so defensive about Origins, it's incredibly derivative of the other game, was buggy as fuck, and has issues like the scaling one mentioned.

The only original boss (Deathstroke) is basically a QTE anyway.

 

[CrichtonKicks]

Yeah thanks.

Seeing as how they were most likely working independently and had to recreate these assets from scratch in a real time environment without the lee way of prerendering higher detailed assets for specific scenes, it seems like that is the compromise they came to in altering certain models and lighting conditions.

Like their FFX/X2 work, the asset changes are controversial..i still think these scenes are not bad though, just different.

in the trailer, during the elevator shaft segment with harley, i noticed that the lighting was completely redone, the original was just a nasty orange and blue hue all the time, showing its earlier UE3 roots, but now that segment is completely full of color and more dynamic

The Hugo Strange one is the worst of the lot and that was in-game and playable, not pre-rendered.

 

[Goose_Se7en]

Asylum has quite a few FMV's so I guess they remade them in-engine for this version, looking at it.

Hugo strange looks terrible, i'm now worried that this is a quick slap-up job and that's why it's console only too, quick and easy resell money.

Agreed.

I pre-ordered as soon as this was up on Amazon, but based on those screenshots I canceled it.

I hope this remaster doesn't leave a bad taste in our mouths with the Arkham franchise.

 

[Diablohead]

It would be weird if it was a quick slap-up job considering they took the effort to port it over to UE4.

True but the cost could have been the same or cheaper then a port job, I have no idea but I am worried a little bit.

 

[Bluekaveli]

I'll get it when it's 20 bucks. But I wish it had all three. Oh well 😊

 

[JTripper]

This is sort of a Catch-22. Do we support this remaster to show WB we really want all the Batman we can get so they might give us Origins, or do we not purchase it day one to show that they done fucked up by not including origins?

 

[killroy87]

This is sort of a Catch-22. Do we support this remaster to show WB we really want all the Batman we can get so they might give us Origins, or do we not purchase it day one to show that they done fucked up by not including origins?

No matter which route you choose, Origins won't be coming. This is a Rocksteady package to make that trilogy (the three that most people think of first) available on new consoles.

Mayyyyyybe if there is an insane swell of audience outcry, they might consider farming it out as a $25 digital download. But it'll never happen.

 

[Revolutionary]

Took another comparison pic on PC, this time of the realtime Hugo Strange scene.

 

[CrichtonKicks]

Even if the transition turns out poor, these are games ported to a new engine with new assets. That's a lot more than just putting out a 1080p/60 fps remaster. They can't just flip a switch and add Origins to the collection now.

Further if sales were significantly lower than the rest of the series then it probably doesn't make financial sense either.

 

[Goose_Se7en]

This is sort of a Catch-22. Do we support this remaster to show WB we really want all the Batman we can get so they might give us Origins, or do we not purchase it day one to show that they done fucked up by not including origins?

They should have included Arkham Origins from the get, I mean I'll still get this but it's not a day one pick-up for me. I am genuinely very disappointed that AO isn't included since the bugs and lack of polish non-withstanding I really enjoyed the game. The Cold Cold Heart DLC although short was fun as hell.

The bugs even gave the game character, for example when fast traveling through the game world the cinematic that played had the audio out of sync. Really bummed it's not part of the collection.

 

[VenomousCoffee]

If you took the Original/Remaster tags off, I'm not sure I could tell which was which. I sure hope these aren't accurate to the final product, because they look horrible.

 

[Boke1879]

Origins is a game I'd like to play but it's not a deal breaker for me. This sentiment of Origins being the darling of the series is only something I've seen in recent memory and only seems to stem for various forums.

Outside of places like this people don't have very fond memories of the game or just outright didn't play it.

 

[xRaizen]

Took another comparison pic on PC, this time of the realtime Hugo Strange scene.

Holy fuck that looks terrible

 

[Xav]

Took another comparison pic on PC, this time of the realtime Hugo Strange scene.

Rocksteady Games deserves a better publisher.

Warner Bros is always constantly trying to fuck up Rocksteady's efforts with stupid pre-order bonuses, horribly priced DLC, an outsourced bad port and now a questionable remaster.

That Hugo Strange remaster is VERY disrespectful to the original. I know Rocksteady love their attention to detail and the guys & girls clearly spent ages getting the look just right only for the remaster to shit on it.

 

[PhantomZone]

The only two Arkham games you need. I've already Platinum'd Asylum, got 1000/1000 when it was a GFWL game and got all the Steam Achievements, but I could probably stand to do it again

I had purchased Arkham Asylum 6 times.... yes that's right 6 freaking times lol. I considered it that good of a game to play through again and again and again. It's the GTA: Vice City of the late 2000's ps3/360 era.

Part of the challenge was to be able to buy the game for less the value of what it was being sold for at the time ($119.95 Australian). Only the first 360 copy was really expensive the rest were cheap (the 2 pc versions were purchased for under $5 each thanks to Steam and a GFWL points promotion). Got one ps3 version for $9 and the goty for free. I wound up buying all 6 copies for around the same value that the original collectors edition was being sold for. I considered it money well spent considering the years of enjoyment the game has given me.

Because of GFWL I basically got 4000 GS for little effort (because I enjoyed the game and found it easy to get 1000/1000). As the standard game and GOTY counted as separate games on pc and 360 - thus 4000 for playing the same game over and over again.

I still play the game (sometimes just the story, sometimes 100% the whole game again) 3-5 times a year I love it that much.

 

[zebaz08]

No Origins no buy.

Spoiler

lol, I dont even remember Origins story but I guess it wasnt so bad?

 

[JTripper]

No Origins no buy.

Spoiler

lol, I dont even remember Origins story but I guess it wasnt so bad?

I mean it was the best Arkham story.

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

Yup no Origins no buy for me. Its a shame they didn't include it. Thats a game most people skipped out on due to the release of the new generation.



oh well better luck next time

 

[CrichtonKicks]

Yup no Origins no buy for me. Its a shame they didn't include it. Thats a game most people skipped out on due to the release of the new generation.

I don't think that was the reason that most skipped it...

 

[brawly]

Look at all these people finally aknowlegding Origins...

It is the best Arkham game. I don't like City so I'mma pass.

Maybe WB will remaster it themselves (please)

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

I don't think that was the reason that most skipped it...

hmm well I know thats why I skipped it. Especially since we pretty much knew from the start of the generation that Remasters/remakes were going to be a thing.

This looks way worse than the original. The hair looks much more artificial and there is no reflection on the glasses....lighting looks worse too. This is making me a bit nervous. I really hope Im wrong but this kinda looks like some quick and dirty job.

Remaster

Original

More screenies courtesy of gearnuke..the rest of these dont appear to be such of an outright downgrade as the Hugo Strange screenie, but the Joker pic looks kinda off in the remaster too, less detail in the hair.

Remaster

Original

Remaster

Original

Remaster

Original

Fucking LOL


"REMASTER WAYNE, DOWNGRADE."
-Scumbag Alfred

 

[CrichtonKicks]

hmm well I know thats why I skipped it. Especially since we pretty much knew from the start of the generation that Remasters/remakes were going to be a thing.

We've had remasters of at least 3 other 2013 releases already (TR, TLOU, GTAV) but that didn't stop them all from selling really well.

Arkham Origins always had the stink of quick cash-in from the moment it was revealed. It just never received the same attention as Arkham City from the press or consumers.

 

[Synless]

I like how Hugo is not only downgraded completely, but tehu even took out little details like the reflection on the glasses. These guys did FFX Remastered? The same ones who fucked up everyones faces?

 

[Boke1879]

We've had remasters of at least 3 other 2013 releases already (TR, TLOU, GTAV) but that didn't stop them all from selling really well.

Arkham Origins always had the stink of quick cash-in from the moment it was revealed. It just never received the same attention as Arkham City from the press or consumers.

Yea it's critically a very average game and I remember on release tons of people complaing about the technical side of things and even complained about combat.

It's on not made by Rocksteady and this collection is clearly about the present day Arkham games.

 

[KORNdoggy]

More screenies courtesy of gearnuke..the rest of these dont appear to be such of an outright downgrade as the Hugo Strange screenie, but the Joker pic looks kinda off in the remaster too, less detail in the hair.

Remaster

Wtf! batman looks like a fucking fish! Lol.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

I like how Hugo is not only downgraded completely, but tehu even took out little details like the reflection on the glasses. These guys did FFX Remastered? The same ones who fucked up everyones faces?

Yes, although Virtuos do a fuck ton of stuff now. They did work for Uncharted 4 as a recent example.

 

[keltickennedy]

Origins is a game I'd like to play but it's not a deal breaker for me. This sentiment of Origins being the darling of the series is only something I've seen in recent memory and only seems to stem for various forums.

Outside of places like this people don't have very fond memories of the game or just outright didn't play it.

Origins has a really great story. One of the best in the series. Everything else feels like an Arkham City Expansion.

 

[CrichtonKicks]

Some of the indoor environments in Origins are really good. The open world suffers though. I really enjoyed Origins but they would have been better off figuring out a way to focus on just the interiors Arkham Asylum-style even if they didn't make it all in one location.

 

[flaxknuckles]

This is the first time I've been glad about a publisher not bringing a remastered version of a game to PC. This looks ugly af

 

[Lnds500]

Took another comparison pic on PC, this time of the realtime Hugo Strange scene.

I replaced your trailer screenshot with one from the gamesyde video.

This is really bad. I was ok with the changes they made on the faces in FF X / X-2, but this looks completely different

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/7wQVAsM.jpg[/IMG][img]http://i.imgur.com/gueIm13.png[/img]

 

[DeathSparks]

Took another comparison pic on PC, this time of the realtime Hugo Strange scene.

Good lord, what the hell did they do to the lighting?

 

[RedAssedApe]

he's got sunglasses on

 

[KiraXD]

This looks fucking horrible... what the actual fuck? who thought this looked good for a remaster?

 

[Brandon F]

Will wait for the eventual GotY edition with inferior boxart and Oriigns DLC included.