AmuroChan
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Maybe next year, but very unlikely to see that this Fall since PSVR preorders are completely sold out. Sony's going to have a hard enough time keeping PSVR units in stock around launch.
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PlayStation Meeting announced. September 7th 3PM ET (PS4 Neo Reveal)
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Maybe next year, but very unlikely to see that this Fall since PSVR preorders are completely sold out. Sony's going to have a hard enough time keeping PSVR units in stock around launch.
BRocknRolla
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That's correct. They often say, "Up for pre-order right now and shipping in a couple weeks" or something to that effect.
I'm betting they're going to have the slims be "On store shelves this week" and, "The PS4k available for pre-order at the end of the week." with a November release.
Yeah, exactly why I think it's extremely unlikely.
But man, the canadian price for the vr bundle is $50 ($30 for standalone) on top of the normal exchange value (and has been holding steady on that since the pricing was announced). It's bad enough we're seeing prices shoot up over just a couple of years without our wages increasing, but adding a $50 premium on top of the already increased price is like rubbing salt in our wounds.
Yeah, and this is the reason why I don't think they'll be adjusting the price to reflect the actual exchange rate. If stock is going to sell out anyways, might as well make that extra $50 per unit off the people who're buying it no matter what.
BRocknRolla
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Why keep bringing this up? At this point, let the tech talk.
The reality is, we've got enthusiast graphics cards on the PC right now struggling to do native 4k, and by all accounts the PS4k isn't going to meet that standard. So people are rightly skeptical. If you believe they'll hit 4k, great, but why keep beating this drum? No one is even talking power.
can you imagine if Sony actually uses the phrase "uprender" on stage? onQ123 will fall out of his chair
Sigh,
I really wish SSD's would drop in price. I have a 1TB hybrid drive in my current PS4 and would like to put a real SSD in the Neo.
BitterFigDanette
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I like the idea of a 449 Neo+game but I think it won't be FFXV.
Let's speculate a bit. So far we have:
1- Rumors floating around that the manufacturing of the Neo has just started while that of the slim started two months ago. Implying Neo will be out circa two months after the slim.
2- Strong evidence that the slim entered the distribution channels and will be out the same day as the Playsation meeting or shortly thereafter. Slim will be out by mid of September putting the Neo around mid of November.
3- Sony realizes it has its biggest franchise ever out the 15th of November: Gran Turismo Sport and starts to think at putting together a Neo+GT bundle. After all, GT always was a graphical showcase for PlayStation consoles. While initial showing of GT was poorly received because gamers have been spoiled by a racing game running on the same hardware at half the framerate; Yamauchi's glory is restored in a vengeful trailer of GT running on Neo causing irreparable damage to a large number of jaws around the world.
4- To ensure that sales of the new GT follow a healthier trajectory than GT6 (worst selling mainline entry, including GT on psp), Sony now very seriously think about revealing a Neo+GT bundle for pre-order. Limited supplies and out of stock messages will get people to freak out and by stuff they might never consider had they had their full mental capacities. GT reaches a new audience. Well that's nice since they've been emphasizing accessibility for this entry from the get go.
5- As final touches are made on to the public announcement, a marketing intern chimes in, and demonstrates in a beautifully eloquent and remarkably well backed presentation how replacing the intended Neo+GT bundle with a Neo+COD bundle will roughly increase revenue by 1000%.
6- Neo+COD bundle is announced on the playstation blog the same day at an unusually late time.
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Because to gauge a console performance by what is happening with PCs is silly when devs can't make a game around a 2016 PC with 4TF.
youre forgetting that once its announced, people will preorder. meaning they pratically have the sales. announcing it before black friday is all that really matters. the 20th anniversary ps4 sold out in december for $500, in like 10 minutes. and was in high demand due to super low supply.
yeah, couple weeks not a couple months.
AmuroChan
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I think a Neo + GT Sport bundle makes more sense. Polyphony would've known about the Neo well in advance, giving them enough time to develop a proper Neo mode. Racing games are also perfect for showcasing new hardware. I don't think Sony want to bank on FFXV right now when it just got delayed 'til after Black Friday. S-E is having a hard enough time getting the game out as is.
I'm actually waiting on confirmation of whether or not the Neo will have a SATA III HDD connector. If it does, then it's worth splurging on an SSD since that's the connection you need to actually take full advantage of the SSD speed.
If it's still using the SATA II connection from the original PS4, you're better off just sticking with your hybrid drive. You'd still get a bit of a bump from switching to an SSD, but various tests at places like Digital Foundry have already shown that SSDs in an original PS4 aren't running at full potential, so it's a cost versus performance issue.
Theonik
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249 seems pretty likely right now. An official drop to 299 with retailer discounts and generous bundles seems at least assured at any rate.That's some fire sale in a Saturn store in Hamburg:
1TB PS4 + Battlefront + Episode VII for 219.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
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yeah, there's hope though a lot of budget SSDs are coming out so hopefully that brings down prices specially samsung's which are the ones i like to use
2blackcats
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What are the odds we'll get a hybrid drive as standard in the Neo?
I liked my hybrid drive a lot but then it died. Thankfully I still had my 500gb laying around
Planning on getting a new HDD for Neo but not sure what. Definitely want something faster than 5400rpm but also more reliable than the Seagate SSHD.
gundamkyoukai
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2blackcats
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Fair enough, just thought there might be a chance as it's a "premium" model.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
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hard to tell man, ill be surprised if they even put a 7200RPM HDD inside it. but they've been doing a lot of moves i didnt expect from them so who knows
edit: and im actually expecting another 500GB HDD instead of the 1TB/2TB people think it will release with
ill reuse the 2TB HDD inside mine while i wait for a good deal on a SSD
Is there a good price on a reliable 2tb 7200rpm drive?
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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
That's some fire sale in a Saturn store in Hamburg:
1TB PS4 + Battlefront + Episode VII for 219.
That's a pretty sweet deal. Though a $249.99 Slim would be even sweeter.
I was hoping the 1TB would be the default, but we already know there's 500GB models too, so it will probably be $299 for the 1TB.
Cc23830
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Can somebody please verify something for me. Im a tad behind on the new ps4s
I own a launch day console and have a PS VR preordered. I wanted the Neo but people have told me its not worth it as my tv is not 4K. But surely it will be worth it as the headset will have better performance than my OG ps4. I have disposible income so i dont see it as wasting my money.
I own a launch day console and have a PS VR preordered. I wanted the Neo but people have told me its not worth it as my tv is not 4K. But surely it will be worth it as the headset will have better performance than my OG ps4. I have disposible income so i dont see it as wasting my money.
Theonik
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Didn't MS stick a hybrid drive in the Elite Xbone bundle?
The Neo should offer benefits to every game that supports it at any resolution as well as VR. The faster CPU should help where games are CPU limited and extra resolution can offer better IQ but developers can choose how the extra GPU power is used opening up new possibilities. VR games should benefit from both.
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319. The PS4 sells for 260 Euro quite frequently in Germany at this point. Xbone is even lower for a while. RRP is 349 but retail is usually 290-319
Neo will be fully compatible with 1080p TV's including many graphical upgrades etc.
Neo won't be playing games in native 4K, they'll render at 1080p and upscale to 4K most of the time.
Neo will also make PSVR a better experience offering better graphics etc.
Edit: Plus the CPU up clock that he mentions above me!
You should be fine without a 4K TV.
It'll take some years for me still before I get a 4K and I'm there for Neo on day one.
If you're into selling your OG console now is the time before the prices plummet completely.
How can people tell you if it's worth it or not when it's not even out yet?
perfect excuse to upgrade lol. Cheers!It's €319 standard - €100 off on all PS4s at Saturn stores and on Saturn.de until August 31.
Theonik
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Oh, they are dropping an additional €100? €219 for a 1TB unit is insane without the bundle.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
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now that i think about it i dont think there is 7200rpm 2TB drives at least that fit PS4 only 1TB 7200rpm. im using the 5400rpm version of those samsung/seagates
holy crap i didnt know seagate released new ones Seagate 1-2TB Laptop HDD SATA 6Gb/s 128MB Cache 2.5-Inch Internal Hard Drive (ST1000LM035)
by Seagate
Link: https://amzn.com/B01C4W2P18
Even if Sony does not offer that, there is a chance retailers will.
StrongBlackVine
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Is that a big leap forward? It's still 5400rpm.
NEO will absolutely play quite a few games at 4K, just not games pushing the graphical limits.
Indie games most likely and even then there will be a 1080p option. I can guarantee that no AAA game will be pushing native 4K.
Edit: What games do you think will be pushing 4K exactly? Apart from a few Indie games?
Neo will have 4K games that look just as good as the games you see on PS4 right now.
Remasters.
Theonik
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Some remasters might, Vita ports, lower budget games that were not really pushing the graphics envelope but want to use the extra power productively.
Sony for the most part wants developers to offer intermediate resolutions for 4K with half the resolution and reconstructive rendering being the most favoured. But such games should look better downsampled in 1080p too.
One should also note that increasing resolution is the cheapest solution for utilising the extra power the Neo offers. On that note, the more the better and if you weren't taxing the PS4 anyway might as well as push as many pixels as you can since you weren't remaking assets anyway. e: That is, especially if you don't have an AAA budget or at porting from something that was made with something like the Vita in mind.
Haha what? Your kidding right? Seriously don't get your hopes up when high end gaming PC'S can hardly handle native 4K as it is.
Please tell me what games you expect to run in native 4K as well as have the graphical qualities of a PS4 made game.
Remasters of what? PS2 games? At this point nearly all Remasters have been made that are worth remaking so we might seem crash Bandicoot at 4K (a PS1 game) but don't expect Mass Effect to be 4K native.
If I could play the Mass Effect trilogy in 4K I'd be down.
I'd also be ecstatic with some good AA, rock solid 30 fps/1080p (or 60 fps if possible) Final Fantasy XV.
I'm hoping the inevitable Kingdom Hearts remasters on PS4 are 4K. FFXII would be nice too.
Which probably ran up scaled on their TV processor as the PS3 can't display native 4K.
Theonik
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The Neo GPU should be powerful enough to handle PS3 era ports for many games at 4K.
So updating games to include higher resolution textures, lighting quality and asset quality will be thrown out the window, instead to render the original at 1440p and downscale? Don't be daft.
Edit: Assets are usually made in higher quality on a PC and then scaled down for Xbone and PS4. With the Neo they certainly will include the higher quality assets. Assets won't have to be remade when they will have been already be made.
Please read what I said. I didn't say it wouldn't be powerful enough but the remasters worth making have already been done with a couple left to come out.
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