Tarin02543
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Sonic Mania: 12 minutes of direct feed footage (Polygon)
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I dont know why you guys keep complaining about the guy playing the demo, to me he's checking out mechanics, animations and such and exploring the game a bit. I'm sure that 12 minute demo would be 6 minutes if he wasnt trying to take his time.
Besides I'm guessing the average sonic player is going to play like that. Even I'm just a bit better than the guy playing the game.
Besides I'm guessing the average sonic player is going to play like that. Even I'm just a bit better than the guy playing the game.
Daffy Duck
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Awesome, that's good to know.
Tizoc
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One of These days ill master it for finhing metropolis with easeGuy's playing fine. Complaining about the guy getting hit a few times is just part of the "1337 G4m3r" attitude. Getting hit is a mechanic in the game afterall
haha no joke. I've been playing the classic sonic games since 94-95 and I still dont get perfect runs. It takes a lot of effort to do that, and most of the time I just play the games for casual stress relief.
Christopher
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I would have think they added Amy as a playable character as the classic sonics always introduced someone new...
Oh well I just hope that the stage to stage transitions from sonic 3 and maybe Amy make an appearance...
Oh well I just hope that the stage to stage transitions from sonic 3 and maybe Amy make an appearance...
Valjean Lafitte
Banned
Yuck. I see they're still using that modified Sonic CD sprite.
Sonic's sprite got overhauled in Sonic 3 for a very good reason:
Sonic's design had evolved, and the larger hands, eyes, and feet made for a more cartoon-like Sonic, which I think helped bring Sonic 3's cutscenes to life in a way that Sonic 2 and CD's hedgehog couldn't. For what was pitched as a "missing Sonic game from the Saturn era", they could have just stuck with the design that SEGA had switched to rather than reverting to an old one that didn't reflect the small changes Sonic's design underwent in the official art.
Sonic's sprite got overhauled in Sonic 3 for a very good reason:
Sonic's design had evolved, and the larger hands, eyes, and feet made for a more cartoon-like Sonic, which I think helped bring Sonic 3's cutscenes to life in a way that Sonic 2 and CD's hedgehog couldn't. For what was pitched as a "missing Sonic game from the Saturn era", they could have just stuck with the design that SEGA had switched to rather than reverting to an old one that didn't reflect the small changes Sonic's design underwent in the official art.
ResidentDante
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I've noticed this too. It kind of makes the series go in two seperate series:Yuck. I see they're still using that modified Sonic CD sprite.
Sonic's sprite got overhauled l in Sonic 3 for a very good reason:
Sonic's design had evolved, and the larger hands, eyes, and feet made for a more cartoon-like Sonic, which I think helped bring Sonic 3's cutscenes to life in a way that Sonic 2 and CD's hedgehog couldn't. For what was pitched as a "missing Sonic game from the Saturn era", they could have just stuck with the design that SEGA had switched to rather than reverting to an old one that didn't reflect the small changes Sonic's design underwent in the official art.
Sonic 1 --> Sonic 2 --> Sonic 3 + S&K
Sonic 1 --> Sonic CD --> Sonic Mania
The Hermit
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The Hermit
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Valjean Lafitte
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Yeah, that's one way of looking at it. I mean, there's no denying what an enormous Sonic CD fanboy Taxman is, so thinking of it terms of that progression kinda makes sense.
What's wrong with that idea?
ManUnkindH
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Holy shit at the guy playing....
If the concern is expressiveness, it's easy to say that Sonic Mania's sprite sheet has Sonic 3's beat into the ground. There's simply more going on.
Out of the classics, I liked 3's sprite the most, but I can't say I have a big problem with any of them. Very good design. I don't mind Mania's brightness either.
I'd say that the S1/CD/2 batch (I think 2 got slightly longer legs) looks more Japanese and neutral in terms of art style than 3's.
Out of the classics, I liked 3's sprite the most, but I can't say I have a big problem with any of them. Very good design. I don't mind Mania's brightness either.
I'd say that the S1/CD/2 batch (I think 2 got slightly longer legs) looks more Japanese and neutral in terms of art style than 3's.
Valjean Lafitte
Banned
Sonic 3 is still the only Sonic whose mouth is shown in his default standing position:
I hear what you're saying about Mania being more expressive overall, but I do think the lack of a clear expression makes a difference.
what's the fourth sprite?Sonic 3 is still the only Sonic whose mouth is shown in his default standing position:
I hear what you're saying about Mania being more expressive overall, but I do think the lack of a clear expression makes a difference.
ResidentDante
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Yeah his Sonic CD love may be clouding his vision for Sonic Mania.
TheDinoman
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Sonic Spinball, I believe.
Valjean Lafitte
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Is it a nostalgia thing or are there reasons to prefer a less expressive sprite with flatter shading? Genuine question. Not trying to be snarky, despite how it may come across.
Either one of the Game Gear games or Sonic Pocket Adventure. Not sure.
It's all down on the style. I like the color of the 1/CD blue sprite, I don't like the big hands and the overall more cartoony style of 3.
I recognize 3 has better animations though.
It's Sonic Spinball. Terrible sprite.
For reference:
S3's expression is killer here.
The S1-style sprite looks better in every way.
Ahah yeah it's pretty rough. It's a shame they didn't just use the assets + engine from the main Sonic games for Spinball. The music can stay though
TheDinoman
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It's definitely Sonic Spinball. Sonic Pocket Adventure came out during the Dreamcast era where Sonic was redesigned for Sonic Adventure and the SPA sprite has elements from it (namely, the green eyes). It also generally lacks a lot of details compared to the sprites seen in the Genesis Sonic games.
Valjean Lafitte
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For reference:
S3's expression is killer here.
Eh, not exactly a fair comparison when the Sonic 3 sprite is from an animation sequence that doesn't exist in Sonic 2/CD:
Diablohead
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The sonic 3 sprite is nice but I personally prefer the 1-2-CD sprite myself, you can tell with 3 that they referenced a 3D model for a lot of the tricky poses and angles.
Net_Wrecker
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Count me in for the Sonic 3 sprite as well. I always liked how it was rounder with bigger hands and more classic cartoon styling. Just popped off the screen a lot more. Seems to be a minority opinion though.
Valjean Lafitte
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TheDarkKnight774
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Oh please. Their DOOM video was trash but there was nothing wrong with what was shown here. They played classic sonic like you're supposed to play it. They knew the franchise as you could see them going down known alternate paths in green hill to see if anything had changed, etc. and exploring is part of the fun. It's not some "gotta go fast" game
I'd love to see all these tough guy backseat gamer posters put up their first playthroughs of the game. Clearly they'd no hit speed run through the game (and miss a lot of the fun)
Using a Sonic 3 styled sprite comes with a bit of baggage, for one it'd look pretty out of place in Green Hill, and they're definitely going for a more wild aethetic of 1, 2 and CD. S3K tried going a bit more "realistic".
Sonic 3K is a fantastic game, but not a huge fan of that sprite. I'm keen to see what they do with Knuckles in this game. He does look out of place when connected to Sonic 2 -- i'd love to see what Knuckles looks like ina more Sonic 2 style.
Sonic 3K is a fantastic game, but not a huge fan of that sprite. I'm keen to see what they do with Knuckles in this game. He does look out of place when connected to Sonic 2 -- i'd love to see what Knuckles looks like ina more Sonic 2 style.
Chaotix Knuckles would be awesome.
Eh, not exactly a fair comparison when the Sonic 3 sprite is from an animation sequence that doesn't exist in Sonic 2/CD:
Oh okay.
I still like classic sprite better though. S3 Sonic looks kinda weird to me.
Valjean Lafitte
Banned
But they already said the game will feature zones from Sonic 3&K, so you gotta wonder how well a Sonic CD styled sprite will fit with that game's more realistic style.
S3 sonic works in the environment they set him in which has a different style than the environments from S1 & S2. the S1/S2 sprite works well with the environments in those games.
and being as they seem to be going for a more abstract art style more akin to S1 & S2 the older sprite style makes sense.
and being as they seem to be going for a more abstract art style more akin to S1 & S2 the older sprite style makes sense.
Obscuritas
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allenpergallon
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It may also be a mandate from Sega/agreement on both ends. As much as I like the Sonic 3 sprite, I think the Sonic 1/CD/2 influence was probably the best route to take in terms of nostalgia since 1 and especially 2 are arguably more universally recognized games. That on top of the 3 sprite being the odd man out, it's probably for the best to go back to the original and stay consistent from then on out. IIRC they also used the 1/2/CD sprite for Sonic 4 loading screens, so its probably a premeditated decision at this point.
I also think the S3 sprite never quite matched the character design, or at least not as well as the original. This goes doubly compared to the modern render of Classic Sonic.
Valjean Lafitte
Banned
They seem to be going for a more abstract style with the new zones, but the game will still contain remixed zones from Sonic 3&K.
Huh. Looks fine to me. The only thing they could have done to match the art better, IMO, would be to have made his muzzle smaller, but then there wouldn't be room for his mouth (which shows up in a handful of animations).
Triforce141
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entremet
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How so? They're just playing it carefully.
Not everything is about speedrunning.
These are some wacky complaints lol.
dragonzdogma
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I gasped when I saw the underground hill zone area transition in real time.
I think Sega are capable of releasing games physically still. Not totally sure, but it seems most likely.
Sonic Mania has digital-only written all over it.
Solid SOAP
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I can see them doing a simultaneous digital and physical release. The game looks big enough that it'd warrant a disc, just at no more than $20. Sonic is a brand that benefits from being seen in as many places as possible, much like Mario. I wouldn't be surprised if SEGA release a disc alongside the digital release. There's a market for it and plus it'd simply be more exposure for the character and brand. I'm sure that people who have fell off the franchise, seeing a new classic style game boxed right next to the more gritty looking 3D game would be excited to see that there's still stuff out there for them.
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