Yeah by tiptoeing around that kind of stuff, you let Trump create the narrative that he's the only one who really cares. Same thing happening in Europe, right-wing parties are gaining support because the left is perceived as being too "PC" to talk about real issues caused by the refugee crisis.
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New York bombing: Ahmad Khan Rahami IDed as suspect (Up: Arrested)
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Yeah by tiptoeing around that kind of stuff, you let Trump create the narrative that he's the only one who really cares. Same thing happening in Europe, right-wing parties are gaining support because the left is perceived as being too "PC" to talk about real issues caused by the refugee crisis.
Zalusithix
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I don't think they want a Trump presidency, but it would certainly bolster them just the same. It really just comes down to hatred fueling hatred. Nothing about it needs to be calculated. An act of violence drives hatred against muslims, and muslims in turn feel persecuted and are more easily radicalized to acts of violence. It's a tried and true cycle of hatred that's played itself out many times over the the centuries. Trump just happens to represent that hatred this time around and would provide a mechanism to artificially boost it.
The Faceless Master
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yes, that's exactly what i'm saying.
excelsiorlef
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quackamole
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What? Is this for real?
Yep, which is exactly the intent of ISIS and anyone carrying out acts in their name, they want innocent Muslims to feel alienated and isolated in the west so they will leave to join the Caliphate (at least that's the PR line).
It's sad that we in the west play right into their hands.
That's exactly the point for islamists (if it's confirmed this is the cause of the bombing). They want a war of civilisation, they know exactly what they are doing.
wumster3000
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Yep! I am not a Trump supporter but he does say some extreme shit that people want to hear. As I've stated, there will be a lot more bombings if he gets elected. Get ready. If you think he's going to stop them, take a look at Europe. They've gotten worse. You treat people like shit for too long, they will show you shit.
Damerman
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Thats the first thing i noticed lol.
I hope they catch the guy. And i hope it starts and ends with him, but in the unfortunate case that he is oart of a cell in the area, i hope the fbi can stop all of them.
That was my thought as well. That's the only thing that sticks out about that block to me.
I live in Jersey City and neither my gf or I got alerts on our phones. Cops must think he's in NYC.
entremet
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I think he's saying that she's not been great at articulating that. Democrats in general have not, including Obama. DiBlasio is proving this too.
Obama just lectures people to stop being racist. Not very inspiring or effective and I like Obama generally.
I am speaking about domestic terrorism specifically.
It's true that perceived weakness gives rise to the other extreme, which we have seen with the rise of Trump, Duterte, right-wing parties in Europe.
With that said, what is a viable solution to terrorism? A certain percentage of young men within various groups can be influenced to become terrorists. It's relatively easy to make a bomb. What is the solution? Trump's lumping the 99.9 innocent Muslim community in with the few outliers certainly isn't a solution. There's no real way to stop selling the components needed to make a bomb. Mass surveillance, which is fairly commonplace is both unpopular and not all that effective as there are never enough people to sift through the data.
The answer is probably to work with law enforcement better, facilitate better information sharing between agencies, provide funding for anti-terror activity within law enforcement, etc..., which is all being done already. In other words, I think it's more about how people speak about the issue than what they propose.
NYCmetsfan
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The "left doesn't acknowledge the problems" is one of those most annoying tropes today in internet commentary.
It's wrong, and pretty much just saying "they don't propose racist solutions so they're gonna lose!"
The Faceless Master
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that's a crazy policy.
in the US they just bust it down anytime and then shoot up and kill innocent kids sleeping on the couch and elderly folk asleep in their beds, which is a much better solution.
NYCmetsfan
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So "optics"...
It almost doesn't matter if they do or not at this point, the perception has been created and it'll be hard to shake off.
Yes, because those are the only two options out there. I agree that police in the US are too aggressive. They break into homes for less significant offenses. They are careless and break into the wrong homes. They are too prone to shoot when they are in the homes.
That does not make the Belgian policy of leaving a known terrorist alone all night to escape any more reasonable.
entremet
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Well yes. But doesn't absolve them for influencing it. Elections are won on optics.
Rentahamster
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If you're more worried about how this information makes your side look bad, or reduces your chances of a political victory, and rationalizing your reactions to fit that context, then you may need to take a break from this election for a few days.
NYCmetsfan
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They're not.
SaviourMK2
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November just looks more and more horrible
Lol, no it's bullshit. RAID attack at St-Denis after November 13th terrorist acts started at 4AM.
The Artisan
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did anybody else in NY get that alert thing on their phones?
Yup, it was the weirdest thing.
ISWThunder
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I got it about 15 minutes ago.
Palette Swap
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I hope they catch that asshole before further damage is done. Preferably alive.
These are problems with no easy, short term or very visible solutions. This is not to say they don't exist, they're just not as easy as "deport all the brownies".
If people really wanted to pin any of this on Democrats, they should complain about the disastrous Middle East efforts of the last fifteen years, but that would mean throwing the whole GOP establishment under the bus as well.
That's honestly the long and short of it. There's no evidence that all these strong man solutions would be practical in any way, while their financial and civic cost could be enormous.
These are problems with no easy, short term or very visible solutions. This is not to say they don't exist, they're just not as easy as "deport all the brownies".
If people really wanted to pin any of this on Democrats, they should complain about the disastrous Middle East efforts of the last fifteen years, but that would mean throwing the whole GOP establishment under the bus as well.
Damerman
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Im in north jersey and i got it. Every one's phone on the train went off, it got pretty loud.
Wife and I were exiting Penn Station when seemingly the city itself spoke cause everyone's phone blew up with the message.
Yes they sent it out to all phones in NYC.
Really hope everyone has a safe commute and stays safe throughout the day.
Jawbreaker
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Right, there's that PATH station on 23rd and 6th, which would make a little more sense.
NYCmetsfan
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Everybody. Woke me up.
victreeb3l
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Same haha. I was gonna be late for work otherwise 👀
Is Hillary Clinton considered "left"?
Legit question, im not from the US so i dunno how you folks label it.
Also, whats the "alt-right" that i've reading on GAF for the last month? Whats the difference with just the "right"?
Yup. I was on my way to the office this morning when I got the alert, everyone on the train got it as well.
excelsiorlef
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She's campaigning on the most left-wing platform in Democratic party history.
Is she Sanders level left no but she is left wing
Alt-right is social conservatives with a strong white supremacist tinge without the religion.
entremet
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Yes, Hilary is considered Left.
The Alt-Right is a reactionary movement which you find represented with Breibart. Many feel betrayed by the traditional conservative movement.
Thanks for the info!
I havent read the term "alt-right" until a month or so ago, so i guess it's something "new".
"Alt right" is a fancy term the group of white racist nationalists gave themselves to define themselves from the traditional right, which used to have a philosophy to government but because they blew themselves up they don't really stand for anything anymore.
Seven Force
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Heh, same here.
andthebeatgoeson
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I think a good question is:
Is it wise to turn idiotic America into emergency deputies?
RIP Ahmads in 51 states. RIP any dude who looks 'out of place'. Dudes getting thrown off of planes because your local 'support' can't tell the Koran vs light reading or, when better, an Italian professor from Bin Laden.
I'm all for catching this dude but the 4th Amendment gets shat on during this process, I'm guessing.
entremet
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I thought this was the common sentiment in the post TV era (Kennedy versus Nixon) unless you're definition of optics is more nuanced.
Suspicious package reported at Rutgers U
http://patch.com/new-jersey/newbrun...utm_source=social&utm_medium=hs&utm_campaign=
Pipe bomb at jersey shore marine 5K charity run. Pipe bombs in Chelsea, NY. Multiple devices at Elizabeth train station. Suspicious package reported at Rutgers. This area is under attack
http://patch.com/new-jersey/newbrun...utm_source=social&utm_medium=hs&utm_campaign=
Pipe bomb at jersey shore marine 5K charity run. Pipe bombs in Chelsea, NY. Multiple devices at Elizabeth train station. Suspicious package reported at Rutgers. This area is under attack
DrForester
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It's always a calculated risk by law enforcement that depends on the situation and evidence they have. Alerting the public might give the perpetrator a heads up, but it also gives them public eyes and ears. Also, the guy is already on the edge, and knows he's being chased. He's not going to sit back and think the police aren't onto him.
gamechanger87
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The police can't be everywhere at once and see everything. Isn't it better to have 30M people looking out for him? In these situations, people are usually caught after tips come in. Once you've identified a person and you've searched their last known address you put our a notice for all citizens to call in if they see them. Despite all the bad tips that end up coming in, its still the most effective way to find someone.
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There's going to be a lot of those today, particularly in the areas around Elizabeth, and all directions NESW. It's good that everyone is taking precautions. On the way into work, I know I looked under every single bench, trash can, and subway seat.
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