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New York bombing: Ahmad Khan Rahami IDed as suspect (Up: Arrested)

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Jumeira

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Audioboxer said:
It is a problem because the police were deer in headlights due to "Islamophobia". I don't know how you or others on here cannot see that the race to claim "Islamophobia" is literally causing people to be so scared to tackle extremism it can produce a disgusting situation such as Rotherham. The fear of being tarred a bigot/racist unjustly ends up paralyzing even law enforcement as let us be honest, who wants their career and public/private life completely destroyed by a mass of "Islamophobia" chants?
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Well, Islamaphobia is a real issue so of course the Police need to err on the side of caution, but i dont see its application used in Rotheram case, it believe it was most down to racism and dealing with a minority community. Approaching a group of deplorable individuals in the context of rape crime it'd be hard to make 'Islamaphobia' stick with local communities, the Police have a good relationship with Muslim leaders and Mosques. Infact working with Muslims is the only way to make any progress - targeting and spreading misinformation about their motives and their religion is just going to create an even bigger wedge and get in the way of progress.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...ms-for-helping-keep-london-safe-a3160806.html
 
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Night Angel

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EatinOlives said:
I'm asking because you came in chastising people for not having what you consider to be the "right" conversation, but don't actually articulate what you want that conversation to be. You criticized people's timing in not wanting this guy to be Muslim, but don't know what they should be doing instead.

I mean I understand that that an open dialogue about religion on a more consistent basis is likely to result in less FUD being spread regularly, but I guess I just don't know how going into a thread and smugly proclaiming "well I guess sooooorrryyy guys who didn't want this guy to be Muslim. Guess reality proved YOU wrong!!" is supposed to facilitate that conversation?
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I don't want the conversation to be any one thing, but I know I don't want it to be treating these attacks as political capital and some weird hypothetical gotcha for Trump. Can I not criticise one angle of discussion?

And sure, maybe taking a sarcastic absurdist route to criticising those posts wasn't the best way to go about it. I still stand by my criticism of the knee-jerk to score imaginary points against Trump using this incident. I mean, really, the moron says 10 things a day that can be used to score those same points.
 
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platocplx

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Jumeira said:
Well, Islamaphobia is a real issue so of course the Police need to err on the side of caution, but i dont see its application used in Rotheram case, it believe it was most down to racism and dealing with a minority community. Approaching a group of deplorable individuals in the context of rape crime it'd be hard to make 'Islamaphobia' stick with local communities, the Police have a good relationship with Muslim leaders and Mosques. Infact working with Muslims is the only way to make any progress - targeting and spreading misinformation about their motives and their religion is just going to create an even bigger wedge between communities.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...ms-for-helping-keep-london-safe-a3160806.html
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Yep i don't understand why its so hard for people to understand returning hatred with hatred doesnt work.
 
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Henkka

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platocplx said:
Of course it was. Lmao thats all they could find to support their shitty ass claim of islam being more violent. I was just about to go look into the author of the site. The fucking guy doesny even have a degree in religion just strong interest in it lmao.
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What about the Pew poll? Currently, I don't think it really matters which book has more passages that refer to violence. What matters is what people believe.

This guy was from Afghanistan... Which is, admittedly, one of the worst countries in these polls and not representative of all of them. In Afghanistan, 99% of muslims want Sharia as the law of the land. That by itself doesn't mean much, since from what I understand there's disagreement over what belongs in Sharia among muslims.

But of those 99%, 81% support corporal punishment for crimes such as theft. 85% support stoning as punishment for adultery. And 79% support death penalty for apostasy.

Is it islamophobic to point out how horrific that is? Is it islamophobic to point out that these beliefs don't exist to any comparable degree among Christians in the west?
 
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platocplx said:
Ah the old call myself x y z instead of seeking to understand why people are calling me those specific terms defense. Maybe you should look back and seek to understand why people are calling you that. Which many posters have told you exactly why.
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I seem to be having perfectly civil discussions with other posters. Maybe I just don't think it's worth talking with someone so hostile and prone to ad homonem?

Said poster thinks I'm a bigot because I criticised Islam with no knowledge of whether or not I've had exposure to said religion. Despite my assertion that I lived in the middle east for 8 years.

Said poster is the only one who has called me a prejudiced asshole, and his reason was that he thinks I'm discussing the topic from a position of ignorance, which I'm not. Why would I want to continue that conversation?
 
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FreedomFighter

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Crazy thing is I was staying in Chelsea two blocks away from one of the explosions the day before but moved to Harlem the night before. Feels a little unnerving since I was just right there the night before.
 
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Jenov

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Juan29.zapata said:
Can't escape from Domain Awareness.
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platocplx

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Henkka said:
What about the Pew poll? Currently, I don't think it really matters which book has more passages that refer to violence. What matters is what people believe.

This guy was from Afghanistan... Which is, admittedly, one of the worst countries in these polls and not representative of all of them. In Afghanistan, 99% of muslims want Sharia as the law of the land. That by itself doesn't mean much, since from what I understand there's disagreement over what belongs in Sharia among muslims.

But of those 99%, 81% support corporal punishment for crimes such as theft. 85% support stoning as punishment for adultery. And 79% support death penalty for apostasy.

Is it islamophobic to point out how horrific that is? Is it islamophobic to point out that these beliefs don't exist to any comparable degree among Christians in the west?
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You do understand every single day in America there are Christians who think the bible should be law as well, and in many poltical circles Christianity is a main tent pole in how they push legislation. We have a VP in this current election who said the following "I’m a Christian, a conservative and a Republican in that order" that isnt disturbing?

IM sure you do the same poll of Christians you have the same results. http://www.politicususa.com/2015/02...stitution-christianity-national-religion.html
Oh wait there is. Look at the PPP Poll link.
 
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Quixzlizx

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Hex said:
I don't suppose the Quran v the Scriptures cage match could be turned into another thread?
Kind of waiting for more details of this situation to come out here.
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Don't get your news from GAF if you want threads about terrorist attacks to be about something other than an argument over Islamophobia.
 
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KingSnake

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What is happening in this thread? You can barely find the news that suppose to be the topic here.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37410115

The story about the suspect comes bits by bits into light and at least the background is interesting.

Ahmad Khan Rahami, 28, worked with members of his family at First American Fried Chicken in Elizabeth, New Jersey.
He lived with his family above the takeout spot, a few miles from Newark Liberty International Airport.
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The takeout spot was known to officials in the city of Elizabeth because of complaints about the late-night rowdy behaviour of patrons.
Neighbours had complained about the all-night establishment, leading city officials to pass an ordinance requiring the restaurant to shut at 10pm each night, according to city officials.
Mayor J Christian Bollwage said that in 2011 Mr Rahami's father had sued the city over the ordinance, claiming he had been ethnically discriminated against.
"It was neighbour complaints, it had nothing to do with his ethnicity or religion," the mayor told the New York Times.
"It had to do with noise and people congregating on the streets."
The mayor said the city won the case in October 2012.
Another diner said one of Mr Rahami's brothers once fought with an officer who had come to shut down the restaurant.
The brother allegedly fled to his native Afghanistan before the case could be prosecuted, the diner added.
Patrons said Mr Rahami appeared to have been taking over restaurant operations from his father.
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NimbusD

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EatinOlives said:
The way this entire situation played out has run completely counter to the bullshit Trump has been trying to peddle. But it's not surprising that even when Trump loses he still tries to weasel out some way to spin it into a win.
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He says whatever in the moment to try to make himself sound smart and everyone else an idiot. It works as long as you don't listen to the things he was saying a few days ago or bother to use that pesky thing called memory.
 
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Madness

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Every time it is the same argument. Muslim men make up less than 0.5% of the US population but compare the amount of terror attacks, mass killings, bombings committed by them. It is not islamophobic to state the one unifying factor between these terrorists is their belief in radical islamist ideology.

Whether they were white Dagestani Russians in Boston, Pakistani South Asian and Saudi Arab in San Bernardino, Somali African in Minnesota, African American in Oklahoma (beheading), Afghan in Florida nightclub shooting etc. The unifying factor between races, ethnicity, languagr and culture is the religion.

This is not to paint all muslims with a broad brush. There are over 1 billion muslims, but it is getting out of hand at this point.
 
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Futureman

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"The showdown started at around 10:30 a.m. when a resident spotted Mr. Rahami sleeping in the doorway of a bar"

WHAT?! He was sleeping in a doorway to a bar while the whole city was on a manhunt for him? That's so bizarre.
 
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KingSnake

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Futureman said:
"The showdown started at around 10:30 a.m. when a resident spotted Mr. Rahami sleeping in the doorway of a bar"

WHAT?! He was sleeping in a doorway to a bar while the whole city was on a manhunt for him? That's so bizarre.
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His phone didn't receive the alert, probably.
 
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radios shipping overview

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NYT updates:

• Two Linden, N.J., police officers were wounded during the capture of Ahmad Rahami, officials said.

• Mayor Bill de Blasio said of the explosion that rocked New York on Saturday night, “We have every reason to believe this was an act of terror.”

• No one else is currently being sought, Mr. de Blasio said.

• But the investigation is continuing. “This case is still very much active,” said New York City’s new police commissioner, James O’Neill. “Now that we have the suspect in custody,” he said, the investigation will focus on “whether this individual acted alone and what his motivations may have been.”

• Mr. Rahami will probably face additional charges “based on the shooting of the police officers” in Linden, said Preet Bharara, the federal prosecutor for the district covering Manhattan.

• Mr. Rahami does not appear to have been on a terrorism watch list. “There’s nothing to indicate that he was currently on our radar,” said William F. Sweeney Jr., an assistant director of the F.B.I.

• Mr. Sweeney was asked whether Mr. Rahami had offered any kind of statement after his arrest. “Not that I’m aware of,” he said.
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http://www.nytimes.com/live/new-york-explosion/the-scene-in-linden/

WaPo:

According to neighbors and court records, the family ran the fried chicken restaurant for years.

It was a local late-night hangout, said one neighbor, Andre Almeida, 24, who lives down the street and often ate there at night.

The family seemed fairly Westernized, Almeida said. Three or four years ago, he said, he noticed that the family started wearing religious garb and stopped wearing Western clothes.

But, he said, he never felt like they had animosity toward other people.

A childhood friend of Rahami said he used to play basketball with him at a court a few blocks from the family’s restaurant.

“I was shocked to see his picture. I said, ‘No, not Mohammed’s son.’ They were really nice,” said Flee Jones, 27. Jones said the family’s restaurant often gave him water and free food.

He and Ahmad used to do rap battles at the restaurant and hang out there late. He said the family nicknamed Ahmad “Med.”
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-for-new-york-n-j-bombings-ahmad-khan-rahami/
 
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D4Danger

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E92 M3 said:
As soon as he gets out of the hospital, he's going to have a tough time - just look at that guy's expression. Hopefully, he squeals on all of his associates.
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what associates? he's just some wannabe loser that made crappy homemade bombs.
 
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plagiarize

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Audioboxer said:
I literally just did. The lack of evidence in America outside of the Westboro Baptish Church, Ken Ham and places in the South opposing LGBT rights IS the evidence of a lack of violence. Yeah I know that is a tongue twister, but what else are you asking me to show? Not being able to show mass shootings and bombs going off in the name of the Bible in America is the evidence it's not happening.
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Show me that Ahmad Khan Rahami isn't sane. Show me which of the terrorists that have committed acts in support of ISIS aren't sane. Show me that sanity has anything to do with it.

Show me that all the violence committed towards LGBT people in America has nothing to do with Christianity.
 
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SummitAve

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Madness said:
Every time it is the same argument. Muslim men make up less than 0.5% of the US population but compare the amount of terror attacks, mass killings, bombings committed by them. It is not islamophobic to state the one unifying factor between these terrorists is their belief in radical islamist ideology.

Whether they were white Dagestani Russians in Boston, Pakistani South Asian and Saudi Arab in San Bernardino, Somali African in Minnesota, African American in Oklahoma (beheading), Afghan in Florida nightclub shooting etc. The unifying factor between races, ethnicity, languagr and culture is the religion.

This is not to paint all muslims with a broad brush. There are over 1 billion muslims, but it is getting out of hand at this point.
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You aren't able to consider any other unifying factors? You're just gonna stop at one of the most superficial ones and make broad generalizations? It's willful ignorance like this that allows vulnerable people to fly under the radar instead of getting the help they need. It's people who just want to react rather than stopping to think that makes all this shit worse.
 
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plagiarize

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excelsiorlef said:
WaPo confirms what I expected seems he came to the US as a child... so he's literally home grown like the rest of them.

If I am right we can drop the "foreign born immigration" thing it means nothing if he was a literal child when he arrived.
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I honestly believe that we defeat this stuff by undermining the lie that the US wants to eradicate Islam. Because it's not true, by and large. That's why I hate seeing people use rhetoric that intentionally or not feeds into that... because that's how ISIS recruit.

They convince people the US is an enemy of Islam. The more Muslims that live in the US, that we treat like normal human beings, the more that Americans realize that the vast majority of Muslims are just that, normal human beings, the more and more we push ISIS into the fringes.

And when people get upset at me for 'not remembering the victims' of attacks like this, my gut reaction is always to point out that when they insist that we criticize the Quran or core Muslim tenets, that they're not remembering that the vast majority of victims of ISIS are Muslims.
 
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excelsiorlef

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plagiarize said:
I honestly believe that we defeat this stuff by undermining the lie that the US wants to eradicate Islam. Because it's not true, by and large. That's why I hate seeing people use rhetoric that intentionally or not feeds into that... because that's how ISIS recruit.

They convince people the US is an enemy of Islam. The more Muslims that live in the US, that we treat like normal human beings, the more that Americans realize that the vast majority of Muslims are just that, normal human beings, the more and more we push ISIS into the fringes.

And when people get upset at me for 'not remembering the victims' of attacks like this, my gut reaction is always to point out that when they insist that we criticize the Quran or core Muslim tenets, that they're not remembering that the vast majority of victims of ISIS are Muslims.
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Agreed.
 
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D4Danger

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E92 M3 said:
Are you from the FBI?
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I think it's pretty clear I am. seriously though these people are always lone wolf types and just going by the fact he had to plant all the bombs himself and they were all crap makes me think he isn't part of some sophisticated terror cell. could be wrong though, just guessing.
 
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Hex

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I figure a good time to put this out there again
http://usuncut.com/news/guess-which-terrorist-group-killed-most-americans/

NEWSGuess Which Terrorist Group Has Killed the Most Americans Since 9/11Tom Cahill | March 22, 2016
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While Ted Cruz and Donald Trump are using the Brussels attack to foment Islamophobia amongst their respective bases, it’s important to note that white terrorists have killed more Americans on U.S. soil than Muslim terrorists since the 9/11 attacks.

The New America Foundation (NAF), a think tank funded by prominent universities and foundations, has been keeping track of all terrorist attacks on American soil since 9/11, and found that not only have white terrorists killed more Americans than jihadists, but attacks by white terrorists are also twice as frequent, with 18 homegrown terror attacks between 2004 and 2015, and just 9 terror attacks rooted in Islamic extremist ideology.
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plagiarize

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NinjaMouse said:
It's really insane that this news has become yet another breeding ground for opportunists to argue for their agenda. Can we please discuss the news at hand. Contrary a lot of folks here, this happened in some of our backyards and near our places of work. I'm sure there's plenty of opportunities to create threads about the merits of religion and the political implications of the event.
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No one was seriously hurt. And that is great news.
They have brought the suspect in alive. Which is also great news.

There isn't much to discuss here at this point other than the suspect's motivations, and what we can and can't do to protect ourselves from similar attacks in our backyards going forwards. When there is further details about the suspect, I'm sure we'll talk about them too.
 
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besada

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Let's take the general Islam/Christianity bickering to a different thread, please, so we don't have to wade through it to see what's going on. If you genuinely need to beat that horse some more, feel free to start a thread.
 
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plagiarize

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It's horrifying that another terrorist attack happened, but it's great news that the terrorist mostly failed. It's great that the other device was found and that people were all at a safe distance when it went off. It's great that the suspect was identified and brought in so quickly.

Look, I get pissed off that I have to take my shoes off at the airport because of a ridiculous failed terrorist plot. I get pissed that I have to dump my water out, because of a failed terrorist plot where the people in question were caught by the existing safety measures before they even got on a plane.

If we let this attack change us, and prevent muslim people from immigrating into America or seeking refuge here, then the terrorists are succeeding, not failing.

And if you want to be afraid of something... be afraid of what would happen if the majority of Muslims were turned against America and ready to take up arms against it. We'd be wiped off the map in a very short time.

So we need to take extreme care not to feed into the terrorist's lies. Something Donald Trump doesn't understand.

Because I don't have to worry about Ahmad Khan Rahami any more, thankfully, due to the brilliant efforts of law enforcement and anyone who helped them track him down.

But I do have to worry about the next person ISIS are looking to recruit or inspire.
 
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E92 M3

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D4Danger said:
I think it's pretty clear I am. seriously though these people are always lone wolf types and just going by the fact he had to plant all the bombs himself and they were all crap makes me think he isn't part of some sophisticated terror cell. could be wrong though, just guessing.
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It's always best to not make assumptions and wait for the facts to present themselves ;)
 
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• Mr. Rahami does not appear to have been on a terrorism watch list. “There’s nothing to indicate that he was currently on our radar,” said William F. Sweeney Jr., an assistant director of the F.B.I.
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That is scary. Shows what we are doing is not working.....
 
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