The fact that on this page people are saying they are through with hm by not explicitly supporting Hillary. It is clearly implied who is the lesser evil to him.
He clearly isnt/wouldnt vote for Trump.
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NFL QB Colin Kaepernick sits during Nat. Anthem; cites America's oppression of POC
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The fact that on this page people are saying they are through with hm by not explicitly supporting Hillary. It is clearly implied who is the lesser evil to him.
He clearly isnt/wouldnt vote for Trump.
You seem to be upset that i'm stating what Colin Kaepernick's viewpoint is and how it differs from the viewpoint of some who previously backed him. I'm not intending to say anything in this thread about the politicians themselves, i've said my own piece of what i think of these two candidates quite clearly.
My point is only to illustrate the fact that you, nor anybody else, have the right to intentionally misinterpret what the man is saying in order to make your politician of choice seem better than it is.
He never said they were the same, nor did he ever say they were equal. But in his eyes, they are both failures of the system, and in terms of Presidential candidates, people who left him wanting for better.
He was asked about what he thought about the debate and the candidates in general, and he gave his answer. You don't have to agree. Nobody has to agree.
I get tired of such nonsense and misdirection.
FrenchMovieTheme
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where does he say that? again, i have no idea because he groups them together as both evil inferring they are essentially the same. that is my whole issue with his statement.
"At this point . . . you have to pick the lesser of two evils but in the end its still evil."
You have to pick the lesser of two evils. That could only be one person coming from his viewpoint.
They are both liars though. Which means they are both racist, he just doesn't care to figure out which one is less racist. I mean, it could be either according to him.
FrenchMovieTheme
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could there be? i've heard people voting for trump say the same thing.
Dsyndrome
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Might as well vote for Hitler himself if you don't vote Hillary.
Are they in the black lives matter movement?
Come on man lol. Seems like you are just trying to go after this dude for not going full john Lewis with the Hillary love. He's clearly going to vote for her.
Gordon Shumway
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Bernie..come get your people..
FrenchMovieTheme
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read above. i don't care about criticism of hillary. it is a very dangerous position to take to say "well they are both fucking god awful horrible, one a tiny bit less"
At this point it is willful ignorance
"Both sides" are just people that are too lazy or don't want to understand
This is also a good point. He could vote for Hillary up and down this November directly protesting against a Trump presidency, and some people would still not be happy with his own opinion not being a particular manufactured narrative.
Its not a good look. Its almost as bad as those people who attacked him for being anti American for protesting via the National anthem.
Dissent and alternate viewpoints are good people.
Nobody has to kiss up to a politician and give a rose tinted viewpoint of their record. They can be unsatisfied and not happy with both of the political candidates we have just fine. That is democracy.
He is speaking the language of revolution though. He cant come out full force behind an establishment candidate because it will weaken his own voice.
FrenchMovieTheme
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he doesn't have to come out full force in support of hillary. he also doesn't have to say they are basically the same (one being only slightly worse)
Captin Quacker
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what alternate viewpoint? he flat out said both are bad, but ones not as bad, but still bad
that's painting with a broad strokes
Aaronology
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You seem to have forgotten what you wrote just moments ago, Inuhanyou. Let me remind you what it is that I replied to, since you appear to be afflicted with the same memory loss Trump suffered after the debate regarding past comments:
So let's be clear. You are not merely reiterating CK's stance. You're reaffirming it. You're agreeing with it. And it's pretty telling you're attempting to run away from that remark now. Why? Maybe because you know how ridiculous it is to pretend on this forum that HRC does not have a verified and often cited track record of fighting for civil rights.
You know she does. I know she does. All of us who have been active in these threads should know her history on this matter by now. So why are you still bullshitting on this topic after months of these threads?
You've clearly already done that.
Yes, the same way I'm sure Donald J. Trump is tired of bigotry and xenophobia.
The problem with becoming the face of a movement is that people begin to see you not as yourself, but as the image of what they want you to be.
Kaepernick hasn't said anything you wouldnt hear at any black lives matter rally across this nation. You choose the lesser of two evils.
He didnt say they were basically the same. You are placing words in his mouth. He said its both evil, and that you have to pick the lesser of two. There is no fault with that statement.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Someone was complaining about protest-related rioting today and wishing aloud for peaceful protests and I brought up Kaepernick as an example of peaceful protests not being accepted either.
They pretty much had a psychotic break right then and there.
They pretty much had a psychotic break right then and there.
Aaronology
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Fact: Hillary Clinton Is One of America's Most Honest Politicians. Trump is one of the biggest liars
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/8/1/1555457/-Fact-Hillary-Clinton-Is-One-of-America-s-Most-Honest-Politicians-Trump-is-one-of-the-biggest-liars
One Chart Addresses a Misconception About Hillary Clinton
http://www.attn.com/stories/10483/chart-compares-presidential-candidates-honesty
The truth (so far) behind the 2016 campaign
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jun/29/fact-checking-2016-clinton-trump/
Hillary Clinton Is the Most Truthful Candidate in the 2016 Race
http://bluenationreview.com/hillary-clinton-most-truthful-candidate/
But they're both liars, tho.
timetokill
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lol, wow, calm down Hillary stans
He didn't say they were the same. He said you have to choose the lesser evil.
I don't think Kaep is a single-issue voter. Maybe he doesn't like the current US foreign policy, which many would consider evil right now, and which Hillary will almost assuredly continue or even ramp up the amount of American intervention abroad, considering her pretty awful record on the subject. In the past she has said marriage is between a man and a woman, that young blacks are "super predators" with "no conscience, no empathy." She argued in favor of the three-strikes provision which many argue sent non-violent drug offenders (which stats show are primarily black, at least as far as arrests go) to prison.
There are a lot of reasons to not like Hillary. He didn't say he wasn't voting for her, just that he wasn't happy about it. Why is that so appalling?
He didn't say they were the same. He said you have to choose the lesser evil.
I don't think Kaep is a single-issue voter. Maybe he doesn't like the current US foreign policy, which many would consider evil right now, and which Hillary will almost assuredly continue or even ramp up the amount of American intervention abroad, considering her pretty awful record on the subject. In the past she has said marriage is between a man and a woman, that young blacks are "super predators" with "no conscience, no empathy." She argued in favor of the three-strikes provision which many argue sent non-violent drug offenders (which stats show are primarily black, at least as far as arrests go) to prison.
There are a lot of reasons to not like Hillary. He didn't say he wasn't voting for her, just that he wasn't happy about it. Why is that so appalling?
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FrenchMovieTheme
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this is not the time for "lesser of two evils". he knows god damn well comparing clinton to trump on the evil scale is about the same as comparing a pin prick on your finger to getting your arms and legs chopped off.
as for his issue with clinton, it's pretty clear it's regarding race/minorities since he specifically says "they're trying to debate who is less racist". there is no debate about that. this isn't the time to second guess, or to bring the two into the same arena (i.e. both are evil!). it is a dangerous position to take because he does have a lot of supporters, and those supporters could come out and say "you know what... they are both evil! i'm not voting for either one of them!" a non-vote for clinton is a vote for trump in my eyes. and trumps policies/ideas as they relate to minorities are infinitely worse than clinton's so he needs to cut this shit out. it's the second time he has attacked clinton and trump as president will make things drastically worse so whatever he thinks about clinton he needs to make it clear that there is no real comparison. constructive criticism is great but again this isn't the time to boiling it down to "the lesser of two evils"
You have to understand why he's saying that.
Hilary supports the drone program in which innocent people in countries have been blown to bits. you really think there's a wide margin in between what he has said when you look at Americas current foreign policy ? You think those families will be compensated?
Sure kapernick's issues may not stem with that but a lot of Hilary supporters forget that.
But yeah call him dumb I guess.
Aaronology
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Gay marriage? Foreign policy? Are we talking about Clinton or God Emperor Barack the Islamic Shock Obama? Do you not recognize the double standard at play here?
Superpredators? She was referencing cartels and gangs and never specifically referred to black youth as such. I hate that I even have to defend this remark, because it was still an extreme poor choice of words and she deserved to be called out for it. But I hate even more how so many people blather on about it without bothering to understand the context of what she was attempting to say and instead use it as a false example of Clinton's mythical racism.
Yes, a woman who rode into the Deep South by herself to investigate segregation while undercover in an era where people were being murdered for much less very evidently hates black youth. Yes, a woman who lead protests to get more African Americans admitted to her college is clearly possessed of a deep hatred for people of color. And everything else she has done advocating civil (and lgbt and women's) rights since...?
Hillary Rodham Clinton is not perfect. She has made mistakes. She will make more of them. But it's impossible to have a reasoned and objective discussion about those mistakes, about her flaws and her failings with people who insist on demonizing the woman to the point of caricature. We are legit in a topic where certain posters are accusing her of being evil, like we're having a discussion of a new Disney villain. What happened to reality being the bastion of the left? Seriously, what happened to that? There are moments like now that I can't tell between NeoGAF and Free Republic, because both sides are looking really damn similar.
Captin Quacker
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and there in lies the problem his response had no context. we've heard the 'both sides are the same' complain far too many times this election and it's just copout at this point
timetokill
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I'm talking about Hillary. What are you even going on about?
Neither candidate is all that attractive. Maybe Hillary is a kick in the nuts and Trump is a shotgun to the face. I really don't want to be kicked in the nuts, but if I had to pick one the choice is obvious. But it doesn't mean I have to like it.
Considering your last sentence though I think you've gone off the deep end a bit.
Big Baybee
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Really a shame that your posts rarely get a response. Get dropping facts, though.
So how about responding to the actual information of the post? I'm serious. You said she doesn't do this, he says nah look at this list of shit she's done, then you just ignore everything he said and repeat the same statements.
DR2K
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You're expecting a kick in the nuts, but you'll get a slap on the butt and you'll like it.
As a rare Pacers/Niners fan, my dream is that Paul George leads the protest charge in the NBA.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
There were almost no recognizable words but I think it was the latter
timetokill
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Because it's not really relevant to my point, at all. All I said was that there are legitimate reasons to dislike her or to consider her a "lesser" evil. He's throwing a bunch of info out that I'm already aware of (and yes, I'm aware of the "context" in which she said "super predators", it still was highly offensive) and trying to convince me of... what, exactly? Some strawman bullshit? Because he's acting like I said she was a racist when you can look at the text itself and it's clear as day that I did no such thing.
I simply said there are legitimate reasons to dislike her, and named foreign policy and her "evolution" on gay marriage as an example as well as her mixed political record and as usual on GAF there's a barrage of Hillary fans that can't seem to accept that anybody is critical ever or even SUGGESTS that they're unhappy about having to vote for her.
Angelus Errare
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The whole Hillary on gay marriage thing is weird. Like should she have stayed anti gay marriage? should she been slower on coming around to it?
timetokill
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She should've never been against gay marriage in the first place.
It's not something where you start off thinking "GMOs are bad!" which might be a typical initial reaction to "unnatural" foods before you do some research and realize GMOs aren't the devil.
Having a thought that gay people should be second-class citizens and holding that thought for the majority of your life is not a "oh I got educated" or "my opinion evolved!" kind of thing, in my opinion. Especially not at that point in her life. The typical response is "well she totally was in favor of gay marriage but she had to lie about it!" which honestly doesn't make me feel any better about it.
Vicetrailia
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As public opinion shifted towards supporting gay marriage so did Clinton. But I'm not concerned about that flip flop, it's not unflipping ever. She likely accepts it now.
I got shit for saying you can't say negative things about hillary around here and this is just one example. I would never vote for trump but im not gonna pretend hillary's shit doesnt stink.
I dont see anything wrong with with Colin said.
ryutaro's mama
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Glad to see that the Like/Love to Angry ratio is 2:1.
I'm guessing the majority of those 276 comments were pond scum, right?
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https://twitter.com/johnroderick/status/781020488080523269
Has the Fox Faceoff clip been posted yet? The dude on the left absolutely destroys his opponent.
Has the Fox Faceoff clip been posted yet? The dude on the left absolutely destroys his opponent.
Jaysus
Goddamn.
Huh, I didn't know the national anthem was written by a slave owner, but I guess it figures. It's a pretty interesting problem... Pretty much everything people think of as being traditional, or part of the national identity, was established a long time ago. And back then, pretty much everyone was racist and had slaves. But Americans seem to have no problem revering their founding fathers despite them owning slaves, so I'm not sure why the national anthem would be treated differently.
That is some uncomfortable history. So would the answer be to compose a new national anthem?
Its not like his support base was going to be a huge voting block anyway. If this simple truth, as he sees it, is enough to get them not to vote then it was never going to be a reliable source of votes.
South Park truer than reality.
SolidSnakex
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That whole "faceoff" was over the moment the guy on the left brought up how the girls family, including her father, are military veterans. So she obviously wouldn't be doing something that would be disrespectful of them nor would they condone her doing something that they felt was disrespectful toward them.
And "Get out the Country" has to be the official racist motto over this whole debate. No one that's taken a knee or chosen not to stand for the anthem has said that America is bad or that they don't like it. They simply want to make it a better place for minorities. But there's still this leap of logic to get out if you don't stand. It's very telling that you have so many people who support Trump yet tell people like Kaepernick to get out the country. They'll support a guy who is literally campaigning on telling poeple that America is no longer great, but you don't stand for the anthem? Get the fuck out!
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