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[wildfire]

Iron Bomba?

 

[ZeoVGM]

I may be the only person who really loved the The Hand Plot.

Nope. I thought it was great, as did my fiancee. Daredevil S2 is pretty much perfect in my eyes.

As for the others, I have some issues with a couple things in the second half of each season but it generally ends up being an episode or two.

 

[Einchy]

tfw you realize you have to watch 12 hours of a Scott Buck show just so you're caught up for The Defenders.

 

[Lord of Castamere]

Yeah, no. I still want to finish JJ, and watch Luke Cage, before Defenders, but I'm not suffering through more Dexter tier material. Cant Wont Never. I'll just take the advice, and smoke the crack this time.

 

[Corpekata]

DD, JJ, and Luke Cage have had some issues but they at least often had some interesting thematic or stylistic content to explore or compelling actors.

This sounds like it's mostly just bland, which is what it looked like from the start.

 

[Shredderi]

I guess I can skip it then.

 

[clay_ghost]

Lol @ one of SG local site review

When you pour water into a cup, it becomes the cup. When you pour water into a toilet bowl, it becomes the toilet, and you need to flush.

http://geekculture.co/geek-review-marvel-iron-fist-netflix/

 

[serenewarfare]

I'm actually only ever got to episode 3 of Luke Cage but this thread is making me want to finish it just to see what all the fuss is about.

I think Luke Cage's second half flaws are really exaggerated by how great the first half is. Once Diamondback enters, it all falls apart.

This is what I find interesting about all of this, everyone has such wildly varying opinions about these shows. Like these articles frequently mention Luke Cage in positive way when I thought it was largely terrible. And Elektra/the Hand from Daredevil Season 2, generally regarded as being on the weaker end(if not weakest all told) was my favorite thing any of the Netflix shows have done.

So maybe I'll like Iron Fist. Or I'm in the bargaining stage.

Yeah, it's strange to me too. All three shows seem to have such wide ranging and volatile opinions surrounding them, more so than a given show. I think you could ask five different people to rank them and get a different ranking from everyone.

 

[Nelo Ice]

Well sounds like I'll have to skip this and Inhumans since Scott Buck is a disaster. First MCU content I'll probably never watch.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

I took a day off for this... Welp. Seems like I can stay in the bed a bit longer then.

 

[Zelias]

I mean, it can't be worse than the second half of Luke Cage, right?

 

[F0rneus]

Lol @ one of SG local site review

When you pour water into a cup, it becomes the cup. When you pour water into a toilet bowl, it becomes the toilet, and you need to flush.

http://geekculture.co/geek-review-marvel-iron-fist-netflix/

The characters, from Joy, Ward and Danny, come across as incredibly stilted and badly written. Almost everyone, bar Danny in at least the first couple of episodes, is an immensely unlikeable douchebag, with nothing to lend them any dimensionality in the least. The writing and dialogue is not natural or flowing, and the character motivations behind their decisions can be baffling even at the best of times.

Wow! Almost sounds like a motherfucking SCOTT BUCK SHOW. Dammit MCU. All winners so far, even the lesser ones like Thor 2. Goddammit.

 

[Grizzlyjin]

I actually only ever got to episode 3 of Luke Cage but this thread is making me want to finish it just to see what all the fuss is about.

I was really digging Luke Cage. It was doing all the right things for me until the midpoint. These shows have enough gas for like 6 episodes and then they sputter to the finale. They've actually become annoying for me to watch because the plot will meander while we get these 55 and 58 minute episodes that go nowhere. They're just long and need to be edited down. It's a scripting problem. There is a hesitancy to do 1 off episodes that aren't connected to the season long plot. It's been an issue in every single series. Probably a result of them writing specifically for an audience they know will binge watch.

It sounds like Iron Fist doesn't even have those initial bright spots.

 

[Ikuu]

Must be truly awful if even the media and saying it's bad.

 

[Nyanmaruz]

GODAMMIT!! Out of the netflix slate, Iron Fist is the series I was looking forward to the most right after Daredevil, but they just had to fuck this up!!

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

The way I see it, shit must be really wry for critics to finally start blasting a Marvel/Netflix product, specially after all the lauding of horribly flawed (if not downright rotten) series like JJ, Daredevil and Luke Cage.

The shadow was already casted over this show the second they announced Rand was gonna be a white guy. No good word of mouth has ever been said throughout it's production.

 

[serenewarfare]

Welp, anybody who was a little put off by the show being run by Scott Buck have now had their worst fears confirmed. I don't get it, Marvel usually does a good job with who they get to work on and be in their shows, why the fuck would they get the guy who ruined Dexter?!!!

I'm pretty sure he wasn't their first choice. This show was the subject of a lot of "are they actually going to make it" speculation. Apparently they struggled with it early on even before they hired Buck.

 

[Theorry]

Cant be worse then Luke Cage.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Same showrunner, Scott Buck, too.

Aw fuck, Buck...

 

[Ocarina_117]

I've only enjoyed daredevil season 1 and the punisher parts of season 2.

Everything else was meh to me. Think I'm about ready to drop the marvel shows. Will check back in for Punisher.

 

[flaxknuckles]

Daredevil is fun as heck but has serious flaws and Luke Cage's second half was garbo and yet, reviewers praised the hell out of both shows. For them to crap on Iron Fist like this you know it has to be utter garbage.

 

[Funky Papa]

I think Luke Cage's second half flaws are really exaggerated by how great the first half is. Once Diamondback enters, it all falls apart.

Personal opinion time: Luke Cage's first half is barely "good". It has some really fantastic things going like a terrific villain and a great setting, but it's still brought down by an awful lead who can't act for shit (what a let down after watching Colter in The Good Wife), boring AF politicking (which only serves to set up the awfulness of the second half), some greatly unneeded corny yet slow bits (that part about the collapsed building... good God) and some debatable development choices (while I enjoyed the actress, I'm really not a fan of show Misty). Oh, and everything Judas Bullet sucked ass.

The second part extirpates 90% of what made it a flawed yet decent watch and left us with nearly everything bad. And I actually liked Diamondback.

The shadow was already casted over this show the second they announced Rand was gonna be a white guy. No good word of mouth has ever been said throughout it's production.

Pasty white Rand is not only canon but a required part of the character as far as I'm concerned, specially if they are going to explore his relationship with Cage

Spoiler

and Misty

. It's a bit of an stereotype, but I'm fine with that one.

 

[Nyanmaruz]

So this probably means that Iron Fist will not be getting a season 2...at most probably a Heroes for Hire series featuring Iron Fist?

 

[F0rneus]

I find it funny how Marvel and Sony looked up GAF for opinions on the ASM2 trailer...yet Marvel ignored everygoddamnbody over Scott Buck being a shitass showrunner who runs shit into the ground, and gave him Iron Fist AND Inhumans.

Spoilers for the future Marvel/Disney. Inhumans will blow ass and nobody fucking likes X-Men reject Black Bolt. You Scott Bucked Inhumans. Congrats!

 

[Shaanyboi]

So this probably means that Iron Fist will not be getting a season 2...at most probably a Heroes for Hire series featuring Iron Fist?

Just turn Luke Cage Season 2 into the Heroes for Hire show.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

So this probably means that Iron Fist will not be getting a season 2...at most probably a Heroes for Hire series featuring Iron Fist?

Depends. If many people still watch it there may be a chance for a second season.
I hope they do a Heroes for Hire show instead.

 

[The Outsider]

Welp. Maybe the second half of the season is better.

Aw, who am I kidding?

 

[- J - D -]

The one thing about the Luke Cage show that I would consider great is Cottonmouth and that's 90% Mahershala Ali doing his best to lift the material up from the gutter.

 

[Permanently A]

I really hate this idea some people throw around that any issues they have with the Netflix shows are that it's 13 episodes instead of 10. It's a lazy fix.

Agents of SHIELD is 22 episodes and has knocked out of the damn park with fantastic pacing all season, with only a few episodes left. Season 2 was similar. There is no reason for a 13 episode show to have pacing issues.

Sure you can have a well paced show with any number of episodes, but the Netflix Marvel series aren't even TRYING. The formula in every show is setup the world, setup the bad guy and main conflict, faff about for a couple episodes, and resolve the main conflict. Just cut out the faffing about and you've got yourself a 10 episode series. I have no doubt a 13 episode series is possible, but Marvel sure as hell isn't making the case for it.

 

[sirap]

Shit must be really dire for it to be worse than Luke Cage and Jessica Jones.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

So this probably means that Iron Fist will not be getting a season 2...at most probably a Heroes for Hire series featuring Iron Fist?

If that's the case then you can say goodbye to Fraction's run being adapted to the show.

If your not gonna be like Mortal Kombat then don't even try to adapt that run.

 

[Discotheque]

What is the point of a heroes for hire show when both leads are blander than drywall

Also it prolly will get a second season if the streams are as consistent as the previous marvel shows

 

[Funky Papa]

The one thing about the Luke Cage show that I would consider great is Cottonmouth and that's 90% Mahershala Ali doing his best to lift the material up from the gutter.

I'm still unsure if Mahershala and Dawson were too good for Luke Cage or way too much needed. I feel like their talents were wasted, but at the same time I could only power through the show because of them.

 

[serenewarfare]

Personal opinion time: Luke Cage's first half is barely "good". It has some really fantastic things going like a terrific villain and a great setting, but it's still brought down by an awful lead who can't act for shit (what a let down after watching Colter in The Good Wife), boring AF politicking (which only serves to set up the awfulness of the second half), some greatly unneeded corny yet slow bits (that part about the collapsed building... good God) and some debatable development choices (while I enjoyed the actress, I'm really not a fan of show Misty). Oh, and everything Judas Bullet sucked ass.

The second part extirpates 90% of what made it a flawed yet decent watch and left us with nearly everything bad. And I actually liked Diamondback.

I think Luke Cage is overall a good show based solely off of the performances given by everyone on the cast not named Mike Colter. The majority of the cast carries a subpar story with some pretty great stuff every now and then to be something more than the sum of its parts.

Shades, Misty, Cottonmouth, and Mariah are all played so well that it just barely makes up for the fact that Mike Colter has the charisma level of a wet brick.

 

[duckroll]

I really hate this idea some people throw around that any issues they have with the Netflix shows are that it's 13 episodes instead of 10. It's a lazy fix.

I agree. Even 10 is too many. Should just be 0. Save us all the trouble of having to mock it for being worthless.

 

[ZeoVGM]

Shit must be really dire for it to be worse than Luke Cage and Jessica Jones.

Well those shows, especially Jessica, we're received very well so, yeah.

 

[ZeroX03]

I fucking warned you guys.

Scott Buck, who did S6-S8 of Dexter is running Iron Fist so that should be uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Every time I hear this show mentioned I'm like yes Iron Fist! - wait fuck Dexter's Scott Buck is running it. God I'm terrified.

The Netflix slog turns me off from watching most of these shows anyway, I'm not doing it when it's there from the start.

Oh well, Love is back on Friday, the shorter episodes and lower episode count plus

Spoiler

much better writing

will do the trick instead.

 

[flaxknuckles]

What is the point of a heroes for hire show when both leads are blander than drywall

Also it prolly will get a second season if the streams are as consistent as the previous marvel shows

Cage really was the worst actor in his own show. Just a charisma-less cornball. Blaxploitation Cage would have been an improvement.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

Cage really was the worst actor in his own show. Just a charisma-less cornball. Blaxploitation Cage would have been an improvement.

Cage was modern day blaxploitation.

 

[- J - D -]

I'm still unsure if Mahershala and Dawson were too good for Luke Cage or way too much needed. I feel like their talents were wasted, but at the same time I could only power through the show because of them.

Oh, their talents are definitely wasted most of the time. It's especially tragic with Dawson's character whose existence lies in a purgatory of perpetual superhero-motivating speeches and backpatting.
edit: I haven't been following Iron Fist's development but I could've guessed that Dawson would be on it, but seeing this shot in one of the reviews makes me feel really bad. Oh god, I'm so sorry Claire.

 

[flaxknuckles]

Cage was modern day blaxploitation.

Okay....old-school blaxploitation Cage with him running around screaming SWEET CHRISTMAS and drop-kicking people through walls. Would have at least been funny.

 

[Funky Papa]

I think Luke Cage is overall a good show based solely off of the performances given by everyone on the cast not named Mike Colter. The majority of the cast carries a subpar story with some pretty great stuff every now and then to be something more than the sum of its parts.

Shades, Misty, Cottonmouth, and Mariah are all played so well that it just barely makes up for the fact that Mike Colter has the charisma level of a wet brick.

I'm not gonna lie, while I find everything about Mariah repugnant beyond salvation, the actress did a pretty good job with her part.

I had the same reaction with Diamondback, even if they are fundamentally different characters and portrayals. He's the corniest motherfucker in the Marvel universe, but the actor realised it and hammed it up. I'm ok with that. He could have been a terrific addition to DC's TV-verse in a way.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

Okay....old-school blaxploitation Cage with him running around screaming SWEET CHRISTMAS and drop-kicking people through walls. Would have at least been funny.

Cage in the comics isn't that cartoonish anymore.

 

[Holundrian]

Every year I read AoS getting better, hitting it out of the park, being good finally.
Every year I go back and try to give it a fair chance. Every year I'm disappointed.
Will this finally be the year where people are right?
Too bad about IF though hope it has some saving graces cause I think the assessment is right I'll try to make it through because of defenders unless it's going to be incredibly bad.

 

[ZeoVGM]

I thought Colter was a great Cage.

 

[Cronen]

So this probably means that Iron Fist will not be getting a season 2...at most probably a Heroes for Hire series featuring Iron Fist?

Season 2 of Luke Cage as a Heroes for Hire season could work.

 

[GravityInsanity]

- Daredevil S1 - One of the best if not, the best comic book show ever even with it's flaws.
- Daredevil S2 - WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?
- Jessica Jones - Amazing villain. Kilgrave is the only one that made this show worth watching for me. Needs better writing though.
- Luke Cage - First half was good, but the second was very bad. The season final fight was a DUMPSTER FIRE. Terrible, terrible acting. That's how bad it was.

Now Iron Fist is not looking good in previews?

Marvel, are you ok?

 

[Broken Joystick]

Every year I read AoS getting better, hitting it out of the park, being good finally.
Every year I go back and try to give it a fair chance. Every year I'm disappointed.
Will this finally be the year where people are right?

I mean if you didn't like Season 2, you're more than likely to not enjoy most of Season 3.

But Season 4 man, hitting it out the park. It's been so consistent, if you don't enjoy the first episode then you probably won't enjoy the rest.

 

[ZeroX03]

Every year I read AoS getting better, hitting it out of the park, being good finally.
Every year I go back and try to give it a fair chance. Every year I'm disappointed.
Will this finally be the year where people are right?
Too bad about IF though hope it has some saving graces cause I think the assessment is right I'll try to make it through because of defenders unless it's going to be incredibly bad.

I hear the same thing, but it always disappoints me. Stopped trying after season three. I don't think the show is for us.

 

[Deepwater]

I was hopeful that it wouldn't be as bad as people feared but this is troublesome.

Hopefully this convinces Marvel to let their superheroes be superheroes in the future