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Pineapple Pizza Mafia |OT| The War On Fruit Pizza
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Was claiming this power wise? If you and monkey are both town, scum could potentially use this power to kill you both, while town can't do any day phase lynches between.
I am a child who only eats cheese pizza. I have boring taste in pizza, but do you really want to see a child die?
...that's pretty dark, dude
timetokill
Banned
Can somebody (SkyOdin?) explain why somebody with that power would claim it?
I'll try to figure it out. It must have been an off season game and I don't think we have a list of them archived
I thought it was important to make it clear that this is in fact a bastard rolemadness game, and explain why I have been highly skeptical of how many vanilla claims we have seen.
Forward all complaints about my role to Sophia.
Cool. I want to take a quick read over it once you find it.
If both SkyOdin and Natiko are negative utility for town, I think you might be right
That's a really, really weakass reason, given how much your role supposedly sucks for us.
But you just gave scum a big advantage if you are telling the truth. What happens if scum would NK you when game would be approaching LYLO? They would secure their win.
I know what I am doing. You might think I am crazy, and I don't blame you, but I think this is the right play.
I mean, if you're neutral then town has been known to come to agreements with neutrals before, but I hope this isn't a crazy gambit
Monkey claims green check on SkyOdin, though.
Okay, fun's over. I was hoping to drag it out a bit longer to gauge reactions, but I won't lie to a direct question.
My power only triggers on a lynch.
If you guys lynch me, things go crazy. If I am night-killed, I just die and you get my flip.
That is why I felt safe making this claim.
My power is only bad for town if I am lynched.
What would a neutral come back as?
Monkey said Blarg came back as 'not-town', so I assume neutrals would fall into that.
I've seen crazier things happen honestly. Why claim now though?
isaacnukem
Member
Vile. Rest in not peace.
Right now my biggest question mark with monkey isn't the possibility of framer. That seems bit contrived in my eyes.
But scum cops aren't especially rare. I had one in anime mafia just recently. The wording 'not town' could work with scum cop monkey checking blarg, getting a neutral result, and trying to make bank today with town. Then using 2-shot as an excuse, Monkey wouldn't need to bring any other results in. This too could be broken by town cop countering Monkey (because surely miller means a town cop exists?).
Occam's Razor says Monkey is town, but the possibility of a scum cop is not out of realm of possibility.
But scum cops aren't especially rare. I had one in anime mafia just recently. The wording 'not town' could work with scum cop monkey checking blarg, getting a neutral result, and trying to make bank today with town. Then using 2-shot as an excuse, Monkey wouldn't need to bring any other results in. This too could be broken by town cop countering Monkey (because surely miller means a town cop exists?).
Occam's Razor says Monkey is town, but the possibility of a scum cop is not out of realm of possibility.
As I said, my role has made me suspicious of some of the vanilla claims being made so far. As I said earlier, Dragonz was the only vanilla claim I actually fully trusted, and one vanilla claim has turned out to be scum.
Since there has been so much confusion over how role madness this game actually is, I thought sharing this intel would make things clearer.
And again, I want people to be aware that this game is definitely at least a little bastard.
I don't think I'll be able to find it. It takes too much time to go through these old games. I don't even remember if I played in it or was just spectating. If anyone else remembers the game I'm talking about, where a player had the power to re-write a role PM, let Burb and me know.
hey_monkey
Banned
Burb, like I said, I dunno if I'd trust me either. I think we should hear from Blarg. But Sky's claim and the discussion of bastard qualities does make me wonder if my info is trustworthy, but it was red in PM and Sophia said we could trust that. But neutral is a possibility.
Sky, you took a huge risk playing the way you did d1, man. /bigeyes
Sky, you took a huge risk playing the way you did d1, man. /bigeyes
Bastard in itself means players can't trust the red text and flipped role PM's the mod puts out. Your role claim does not conflict on trusting those, while Miller does (although miller is the most light example of bastard).
isaacnukem
Member
Are hammers in play?
I don't think your role reveal makes me any more comfortable. The two new roles - a princess and a cop, alongside a revealed roleblocker last night, make me question where to expect the unexpected even more since we know there is a lot of stuff we won't expect. You don't even know what your role is. We weren't going to lynch you or anything. I don't fully understand the motive.
Taking a short look at acohrs votes yesterday:
The only two votes that stayed fairly consistently on acohrs through-out the day were SkyOdin (now apparently green checked) and StanleyPalmtree (one of the four main coasting players in my opinion). Stanley had a post made about acohrs before his vote:
Stanley didn't talk much at all about Swamped on D2, from what I read through his posts.
Lifeline had voted on acohrs in post 1706. While he is town, his voting patterns ended up being the final factor to lynch swamped, it seems.
The rest of the acohrs votes that stayed came during the last hour.
BB voted on acohrs. This vote pushed acohrs from 3 to 4 votes, to tie with Palmer and Swamped, while 30 was at 3 votes.
Verelios' vote on Acohrs came at a moment when the vote was 4 swamped vs 4 acohrs vs 4 on 30years and 3 on palmer. This pushed acohrs to 5. Blarg voted after, pushing acohrs to 6, putting palmer down to 2.
To note, after this Natiko voted on Acohrs to 7 at the time, and we know now that Natiko was town. Monkey pushed acohrs further to 8.
So by post 2105, we had acohrs at 8, swamped at 4, palmer at 0 and 30 years of hurt at 3.
After this, Palmer, Launch and me all voted on Swamped, bringing the vote back to 8 on acohrs vs 7 on swamped. Palmer then swapped vote for acohrs on a while, bringing vote to 9 vs 6. Palmer swapped his vote back afterwards, bringing the vote back 8 vs 7 in post 2147.
So Lifeline removes his vote one minute before deadline, leaving the vote 7 v 7. Natiko then breaks the tie and effectively lynches swamped.
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So, assuming acohrs is town, what votes seem most suspicious? I would say that most questionable votes would be Stanley's (he voted Acohrs fairly early compared to others without not giving that much input about him), Verelios' and Blarg's. Verelios and Blarg both voted around the same time when the vote was on 3-way tie, pushing Acohrs to seemingly be the final lynch candidate. Palmer jumping on to acohrs ship is interesting too, but him jumping back to swamped makes me feel better about him.
The only two votes that stayed fairly consistently on acohrs through-out the day were SkyOdin (now apparently green checked) and StanleyPalmtree (one of the four main coasting players in my opinion). Stanley had a post made about acohrs before his vote:
Stanley didn't talk much at all about Swamped on D2, from what I read through his posts.
Lifeline had voted on acohrs in post 1706. While he is town, his voting patterns ended up being the final factor to lynch swamped, it seems.
The rest of the acohrs votes that stayed came during the last hour.
BB voted on acohrs. This vote pushed acohrs from 3 to 4 votes, to tie with Palmer and Swamped, while 30 was at 3 votes.
Verelios' vote on Acohrs came at a moment when the vote was 4 swamped vs 4 acohrs vs 4 on 30years and 3 on palmer. This pushed acohrs to 5. Blarg voted after, pushing acohrs to 6, putting palmer down to 2.
To note, after this Natiko voted on Acohrs to 7 at the time, and we know now that Natiko was town. Monkey pushed acohrs further to 8.
So by post 2105, we had acohrs at 8, swamped at 4, palmer at 0 and 30 years of hurt at 3.
After this, Palmer, Launch and me all voted on Swamped, bringing the vote back to 8 on acohrs vs 7 on swamped. Palmer then swapped vote for acohrs on a while, bringing vote to 9 vs 6. Palmer swapped his vote back afterwards, bringing the vote back 8 vs 7 in post 2147.
So Lifeline removes his vote one minute before deadline, leaving the vote 7 v 7. Natiko then breaks the tie and effectively lynches swamped.
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So, assuming acohrs is town, what votes seem most suspicious? I would say that most questionable votes would be Stanley's (he voted Acohrs fairly early compared to others without not giving that much input about him), Verelios' and Blarg's. Verelios and Blarg both voted around the same time when the vote was on 3-way tie, pushing Acohrs to seemingly be the final lynch candidate. Palmer jumping on to acohrs ship is interesting too, but him jumping back to swamped makes me feel better about him.
I wouldn't necessarily presume that all of the scum were on acohrs. It seems reasonable to think that at least some scum might have voted for Swamped in order to distance themselves. There were also a couple of votes that were on neither acohrs not Swamped to consider.
I do think that one of the most suspicious events in the lead-up to the lynch was the push to create a third option. In part, that can be attributed to town getting cold feet over paranoia of a town vs town choice, but I can't ignore the possibility of scum's hand in play.
Burbeting, you were a big part of the push to move people over to voting on 30years. Would you care to explain why?
I do think that one of the most suspicious events in the lead-up to the lynch was the push to create a third option. In part, that can be attributed to town getting cold feet over paranoia of a town vs town choice, but I can't ignore the possibility of scum's hand in play.
Burbeting, you were a big part of the push to move people over to voting on 30years. Would you care to explain why?
I genuinely did town read Swamped and acohrs both at the time, because I read the D1 vote as town v town (now I'm not as sure, that's for sure), and felt that Swamped's claim was genuine. I was thinking that scum would let the vote simply play out and coast in the background, which is why I wanted to bring a coaster as a third option. I was wrong in thinking swamped was town, obviously.
Nomadic Sparks had one on 30yearsofhurt, but that's it.
WhereAreMahDragonz and Swamped are both dead, so there's not much reason to care about their votes.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
This is a really suspicious roleclaim...
Why is this not a pizza-related role name?
Just to clarify, red is not town (mafia or neutral) and green is town?
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
UNVOTE
Let's talk awhile fam, especially about where to go after lynching Blarg.
Let's talk awhile fam, especially about where to go after lynching Blarg.
Huh? I did give the flavor name of my role in response to a question Dr. Worm asked. It was pizza related.
The part you are quoting was just the mechanical aspects of my role. Beloved Princess is the commonly accepted name for that roke, like cop is for an investigator that checks town or scum status.
timetokill
Banned
What's your role name, then, SkyOdin?
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Ok, sorry, I'm confusing myself because I was just looking at Lifeline's innocent child claim.
You're the kid who only likes cheese pizza. Got it.
You're the kid who only likes cheese pizza. Got it.
A child who only orders cheese pizza. I said that already.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
SkyOdin, you mentioned something else will happen if you're lynched, but you don't know what it is? That seems kind of fortunate. Something that could possibly benefit town, I'm sure? Salvage your role from completely fucking us?
I have a hard time believing the existence of this role in this game. We already had a miller, and I believe certain information I have regarding my role contradicts some of your assertions.
I have a hard time believing the existence of this role in this game. We already had a miller, and I believe certain information I have regarding my role contradicts some of your assertions.
Verelios. Why did you vote Acohrs over swamped in a sitaution where the two were tied, even though you said that you didn't believe Swamped's claim, and you voted on acohrs before he claimed vanilla?
Supposedly, I might have some means of preventing a night kill if I am lynched, but I honestly have no idea how that would occur. Sophia really did hold back the exact details. I think it is far safer to not test it, even if I am a bit curious as to what would happen.
I always figured that if I was going to claim, I should do so early in a day phase, to give time for people to process my claim. I understand skepticism, which is healthy.
If I was going to fake claim though, I would not go for something this elaborate.
timetokill
Banned
Oh, okay. I thought you were just paraphrasing there, and I thought we could explicitly share role names.