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Pineapple Pizza Mafia |OT| The War On Fruit Pizza

You guys should definitely lynch me, then I can be free of you obstinate jerks :p

I was kind of hoping monkey and odin really were scum together just because it was such a brilliant ploy and they'd have executed it perfectly.
Could still be the case. I'd still be down for a SkyOdin lynch.
 

acohrs

Member
I really wish we had been able to see Verelios' flip, since there are a bunch of unanswered questions about what happened during the Night phase.

To start with, it is obvious that Burbeting used his day kill to off Dragonz during Day 2, but did he use his night kill yet? Did Burbeting use it last night or earlier? I can't imagine that he has sat on it this long, since everyone else has been burning up their X-shot abilities. Did Burbeting shoot Verelios last night? If so, what blocked Verelios' role flip?

Mediating from sunny Spain, it's the best!

But back to the game, burb used his night kill then not day kill, No?
 
Mediating from sunny Spain, it's the best!

But back to the game, burb used his night kill then not day kill, No?
Day kill was Dragonz. NK was probably Verelios. To the original posted by Sky, I think that was a reasonable waiting time since he was wrong with shot 1. I just wish I saw what he saw in Verelios because it might help. The wifi here is terrible and even tethered I can barely manage to search the thread on my computer.
 

acohrs

Member
Crap you're right, completely forgot the modkill announcement during the day and WAMD being led away.

So burb killed vere and wamd and was out of shots when got. Bar a neutral killer or another one shot town ofc
 
So uh we have a few people who've shown up without really doing much so far, which seems a bit suspicious to me, considering events of the past day and night cycle... y'all just trying to ride it out or what here?
 
Ok, so, regardless of whether Vere was town or scum, his flip is an anti-town property.

Something tells me, however, that regardless of the case, there was more to the role than that. Otherwise, it would have been a completely reasonable roleclaim to just come out and say, "hey my role is that you don't get a role card when I die." Considering the nature of the scum roles we've seen so far, though, I don't think Vere was scum. Speculating whether or not he was doesn't really get us anywhere, but the likeliest reason for us not getting a role flip for him is because he was town, he had an ability that was maybe reasonably powerful, and we get no information out of it. The last two go hand in hand, because if we had had his role information, we probably would have been able to piece some things together. As it stands, because we don't know it, we can't get any role action info...

So, just to recap who we've got claims on..

01. [m] isaacnukem - no claim
02. [m] LaunchpadMcQ - no claim
03. [they] Darryl - no claim
04. [m] Lifeline - Innocent Child
05. [m] SkyOdin - Beloved Princess
06. [f] hey_monkey - Alignment cop
08. [m] Dr. Worm - no claim
09. [m] Palmer_v1 - Vanilla
12. [m] timetokill - no claim
13. [m] Nomadic Sparks - Doctor
14. [m] BlackBuzzard - Vanilla
16. [m] acohrs - Vanilla
20. [m] StanleyPalmtree - no claim


Evidence definitely leads us to believe that there are very few vanilla roles, but this may be the right amount... just 4 vanillas. I've said that one of them is probably lying before, but whittling that down may be harder than it sounds. We know Swamped tried to protect someone... BB or Palmer. She voted on acohrs day 2, also, out of self-preservation most likely... or possibly to distance herself. It's too light to go on, anyway.
 
DAY END VOTES

01. [m] isaacnukem - SkyOdin because ???, I don't see how town could possibly be ok with taking this risk
02. [m] LaunchpadMcQ - Blarg because he was full of shit
03. [they] Darryl - no claim - Blarg
04. [m] Lifeline - Nomadic to save Blarg because he believed the claim
05. [m] SkyOdin - Blarg
06. [f] hey_monkey - Blarg
08. [m] Dr. Worm - Blarg
09. [m] Palmer_v1 - Blarg
12. [m] timetokill - Nomadic
13. [m] Nomadic Sparks - hey_monkey
14. [m] BlackBuzzard - Blarg (last vote)
16. [m] acohrs - Nomadic
20. [m] StanleyPalmtree - no vote

So, the problem here is that Stanley stands out to me in a good way. If he were scum, he would be trying his damndest to save Blarg. He didn't. Either he saw the writing on the wall as scum, or didn't have that kind of stake in it.

As for the rest, as mentioned, the votes on Nomadic stand out. Lifeline is town, but he's been doing us no favors. Verelios is unconfirmed, likely town. ahors is an unknown quantity, and either completely clueless or he's playing thhat angle up really well. timetokill seems to have been checked by Nomadic somehow, but the validity of that has yet to be confirmed. And of course, Blarg, the actual scum.

Nomadic's vote itself stands out, and there's some weirdness about his claimed ability use that is standing out to me.

BlackBuzzard being the last vote to come onto Blarg also stands out to me. If you put it into the narrative that he is scum that had resigned himself to not being able to save Blarg, this vote at the last junction of the game makes a lot of sense.

The remaining votes on Blarg look inconspicuous to me. Burb we know is town; Palmer and him were in the same park of thinking, and Palmer didn't hesitate to act on monkey's info. I didn't either, but I came off because I thought it would get too close to a turbo. hey_monkey had a similar thought early on. Dr. Worm could fit the same shoes as BB described above; same with Darryl. However, neither of them were in situation BB was in in two respects - claiming vanilla and being involved in Swamped-gate on day 1.

VOTE: BlackBuzzard

I think this is what I'm going with today.
 
I would rather lynch on suspicious behavior than vanilla claims today. I do not find Stan to be anything other than Stan, which is only middling suspicious. I find Nomadic Sparks, timetokill, and then you, acohors, suspicious by relation. Possibly isaac but honestly I really don't know how much to chalk that up to him adjusting, but definitely there've been some strange moves. Obviously I find Lifeline suspicious as hell but what percent of that is just Lifeline?

Of the vanilla claims, Palmer and BB have possible connections to Swamped, but I think Swamped talking about Palmer was cover/purposeful, in the hopes we would lynch Palmer if we lynched her, and with BB I started very suspicious but I feel he's contributed more. I find the acohrs claim name/flavor slightly less believable than BB.

At this point, I think the most productive in terms of information revealed would be acohrs/timetokill.
 
I would rather lynch on suspicious behavior than vanilla claims today. I do not find Stan to be anything other than Stan, which is only middling suspicious. I find Nomadic Sparks, timetokill, and then you, acohors, suspicious by relation. Possibly isaac but honestly I really don't know how much to chalk that up to him adjusting, but definitely there've been some strange moves. Obviously I find Lifeline suspicious as hell but what percent of that is just Lifeline?

Of the vanilla claims, Palmer and BB have possible connections to Swamped, but I think Swamped talking about Palmer was cover/purposeful, in the hopes we would lynch Palmer if we lynched her, and with BB I started very suspicious but I feel he's contributed more. I find the acohrs claim name/flavor slightly less believable than BB.

At this point, I think the most productive in terms of information revealed would be acohrs/timetokill.

What information are you expecting from those two?
 

SkyOdin

Member
So, the problem here is that Stanley stands out to me in a good way. If he were scum, he would be trying his damndest to save Blarg. He didn't. Either he saw the writing on the wall as scum, or didn't have that kind of stake in it.
Would scum really do everything in their power to save Blargonaut? Once hey_monkey revealed her red check, Blarg's death sentence was already handed down. The fact that Blarg came within spitting distance of a tie vote seemed to catch even him by surprise. The sensible choice would be for scum to put distance between themselves and Blargonaut to throw off suspicion.

On the other hand, the fact that half the votes yesterday were on people other than Blargonaut muddies the waters a little bit.
 
timetokill's flip obviously gives us an answer on ttk's behavior d2, but also on the weirdness with the acohrs remark. If scum, acohrs probably also scum (or I guess they could be neutrals?). If acohrs is scum, ttk probably is as well. Though I do think there was just that one moment between the two of them and ttk has not been on acohrs - but has been more active and more suspicious.

Your BlackBuzzard analysis is interesting. But was BB against the Blarg lynch or just a late vote? I'd have to go back and look. I feel like he wasn't but the vote is interesting.
 
If I were scum and I knew Blarg was scum, there's no way I would've gone to bat for him the way I did yesterday. That's just plain stupid. Hell, he was one vote away from lynch early in the day, if I were scum I would've hammered the shit out of that and took away practically a full day of town discussing stuff.

I can't believe I even have to tell you guys this.
 
If I were scum and I knew Blarg was scum, there's no way I would've gone to bat for him the way I did yesterday. That's just plain stupid. Hell, he was one vote away from lynch early in the day, if I were scum I would've hammered the shit out of that and took away practically a full day of town discussing stuff.

I can't believe I even have to tell you guys this.

It's not so much your pushing for Blarg but the weird cryptic remarks about investigation and claims and the insistence that my flip would give more information.
 
I feel like some other people said weird shit day 3 and I want to go back and look but I haven't had a chance yet. Part of why I feel okay leaving my vote on the person who sticks out the most to me right now.
 
It's not so much your pushing for Blarg but the weird cryptic remarks about investigation and claims and the insistence that my flip would give more information.

But I explained exactly why that was the case. Multiple times. I still think it would've given more information. As it is we know Blarg is scum and.... that's it? I still don't know what to think about Odin.

TBH though I would not have pushed for you so hard yesterday if it weren't for SkyOdin's claim. That was what made you dangerous (and still could be, to be honest).

Besides, I'm not sure how those was cryptic, nor me implying in a role madness game that there is probably somebody else with investigation abilities. I've also said that at least one vanilla is lying, is that cryptic too?
 
Would scum really do everything in their power to save Blargonaut? Once hey_monkey revealed her red check, Blarg's death sentence was already handed down. The fact that Blarg came within spitting distance of a tie vote seemed to catch even him by surprise. The sensible choice would be for scum to put distance between themselves and Blargonaut to throw off suspicion.

On the other hand, the fact that half the votes yesterday were on people other than Blargonaut muddies the waters a little bit.

You argued my point for me. There were way too many people that bought Blarg's claim yesterday.

timetokill's flip obviously gives us an answer on ttk's behavior d2, but also on the weirdness with the acohrs remark. If scum, acohrs probably also scum (or I guess they could be neutrals?). If acohrs is scum, ttk probably is as well. Though I do think there was just that one moment between the two of them and ttk has not been on acohrs - but has been more active and more suspicious.

Your BlackBuzzard analysis is interesting. But was BB against the Blarg lynch or just a late vote? I'd have to go back and look. I feel like he wasn't but the vote is interesting.

I'd have to go back and check, but at this point, I'd expect more of a vote switch with no explanation from scum.
 
I was just playing around with Blarg his idea i didnt believe much of it when he said he was a strongman neutral. This gave us some info tho 1 he was more then eager to kill Darryl and Sky less eager about Nomadic.
 
I was just playing around with Blarg his idea i didnt believe much of it when he said he was a strongman neutral. This gave us some info tho 1 he was more then eager to kill Darryl and Sky less eager about Nomadic.

Can you point to posts for:

1) where he said he was a strongman neutral

2) where he said he wanted to kill Darryl

3) Sky didn't want to kill Nomadic
 
There's nothing between us

Yeah, fuck you too, Launch.



UNVOTE: SkyOdin

VOTE: Darryl

Or Burbeting.

Then I kill SkyOdin for you Tonight. If the Town Doctor wants to protect me or hey_monkey Tonight, that's up to them. My kill is a Strong kill so it will penetrate any attempt of a Doctor or Bodyguard to shield my target. The kill is guaranteed. Barring Switcher intervention (I'm not sure if a Switcher can redirect my Strong kill or not) fucking my aim up, it's a simple plan.

Palmer is right there. But I've committed to Darryl because I'm afraid this won't go through because of target indecision between us.

]I don't really think there's #scumtell justification for a Nomadic Sparks lynch[/B], at least compared to the others on the table. His only sin is being low-activity (read: chill) as fuck and my hype-man

Why, Sparks

why

So yeah and there is something else about how he gave us an entire scum list sorry if i cant find it right now you try and go through pages of LL and Blarg madness and gifs.
 
So yeah and there is something else about how he gave us an entire scum list sorry if i cant find it right now you try and go through pages of LL and Blarg madness and gifs.

That's a lot of WIFOM, though. He mentioned 3 players specifically, gave a reaction to them, but then we can argue all day about whether they're something worth pursuing there or not.
 
That's a lot of WIFOM, though. He mentioned 3 players specifically, gave a reaction to them, but then we can argue all day about whether they're something worth pursuing there or not.
What should we discuss instead?

And I'm sorry, did you really miss Blarg and the strongman neutral or am I misreading?
 
What should we discuss instead?

And I'm sorry, did you really miss Blarg and the strongman neutral or am I misreading?

I'm not suggesting a different avenue, just trying to see if someone can demystify this for me.

Yes, I missed it. It was on Monday morning and I was busy, so the most I did was lightly read the thread :/
 

Palmer_v1

Member
If I were scum and I knew Blarg was scum, there's no way I would've gone to bat for him the way I did yesterday. That's just plain stupid. Hell, he was one vote away from lynch early in the day, if I were scum I would've hammered the shit out of that and took away practically a full day of town discussing stuff.

I can't believe I even have to tell you guys this.

... and yet we had to tell you to lynch the red check? Which you still didn't do. Not trying to be mean, but i can't assume anything about your competence at that point.
 
Let's discuss every person who has voted for non-scum, and see what shakes loose!
We got all kinds of things to discuss. I was just trying to figure why Launch thought we should not talk about the people Blarg seemed for or against.

I have wifi! GOD the irony of a conference on computers without good wifi. I'm gonna do some backreading while I wait for folks to gather for dinner.
 
... and yet we had to tell you to lynch the red check? Which you still didn't do. Not trying to be mean, but i can't assume anything about your competence at that point.
The point of keeping Blargonaut alive until the very end of the day was to keep the discussion flowing the whole day through.
 
Day 3, the following people voted for not-Blarg (at some point, not just their ending vote):

isaacnukem (voted for Palmer and SkyOdin)
Lifeline (voted for Nomadic Sparks, Darryl)
Verelios (voted for Burbeting, Nomadic Sparks)
acohrs (Nomadic Sparks, BlackBuzzard)
Nomadic Sparks (hey_monkey, SkyOdin)
Blargonaut (SkyOdin, Darryl)
timetokill (NomadicSparks, hey_monkey)
LaunchPadMcQ (timetokill)
BlackBuzzard (acohrs)

I think that's all of them. Verelios is dead, possibly scum. Blargonaut was scum. Lifeline is scum-wannabe. Nomadic, isaac, acohrs, and ttk are on my sus list.
 
Thusly, I propose the following "read team" pairings:

Darryl & Dr. Worm --> responsible for providing reads on: SkyOdin, BlackBuzzard
Moonkid & Swamped --> responsible for providing reads on: Palmer_v1, acohrs
Palmer_v1 & StanleyPalmtree --> responsible for providing reads on: WhereAreMahDragonz, isaacnukem
acohrs & WhereAreMahDragonz --> responsible for providing reads on: Darryl, Lifeline
Lifeline & Sawneeks --> responsible for providing reads on: Natiko, oreomunsta
Burbeting & oreomunsta --> responsible for providing reads on: Swamped, Blargonaut
BlackBuzzard & isaacnukem --> responsible for providing reads on: Burbeting, 30yearsofhurt
Natiko & SkyOdin --> responsible for providing reads on: Sawneeks, Moonkid
hey_monkey & 30yearsofhurt --> responsible for providing reads on: SexyFish, StanleyPalmtree
Blargonaut & SexyFish --> responsible for providing reads on: Dr. Worm, hey_monkey

Reposting this, too. One of the people assigned to read Swamped and Blarg was oreomunsta, who is now NS. But I'm not sure if there's anything else in here.
 

SkyOdin

Member
I'm not sure what the whole point of this exercise was so I ignored it
In hindsight, it was Blargonaut trying to both live up to his reputation and look town enough so he wouldn't be lynched for being Blarg. I have to admit that it worked well enough to make me think he was town.
 
Darryl & Dr. Worm --> responsible for providing reads on: SkyOdin, BlackBuzzard
Moonkid & Swamped --> responsible for providing reads on: Palmer_v1, acohrs
Palmer_v1 & StanleyPalmtree --> responsible for providing reads on: WhereAreMahDragonz, isaacnukem
acohrs & WhereAreMahDragonz --> responsible for providing reads on: Darryl, Lifeline
Lifeline & Sawneeks --> responsible for providing reads on: Natiko, oreomunsta
Burbeting & oreomunsta --> responsible for providing reads on: Swamped, Blargonaut
BlackBuzzard & isaacnukem --> responsible for providing reads on: Burbeting, 30yearsofhurt
Natiko & SkyOdin --> responsible for providing reads on: Sawneeks, Moonkid
hey_monkey & 30yearsofhurt --> responsible for providing reads on: SexyFish, StanleyPalmtree
Blargonaut & SexyFish --> responsible for providing reads on: Dr. Worm, hey_monkey

woah, wait a second. I just realized something about this list and what it's intent might have been. What if the intent was so that each of these "read teams" could be affected by mafia opinion? Let me explain what I mean in detail...

Let's say that the players of the game follow along with Blarg's proposed plan. The selected teams, presumably chosen at random, give reads on the chosen players. The actual players chosen to be read are not of note, because we can WIFOM about that all day and it's unlikely we'll find anything there, but the intent was not necessarily to portray a specific kind of player in any way - it was to control the way players were read. As such, what you essentially have is the scum sprinkled across these "read teams," where (coupled with a town player) they can give a perspective on the players they are reading. This can be either positive to bolster the receiving players' position in the game or to cast doubt on them.

But the effectiveness of this approach is not the takeaway here. The takeaway is the pairings and how this would be best accomplished. If you wanted to spread out this or a similar tactic to the most players possible, then, as a scum player, the way your pairings are made up should not be completely random. The scum should each be on a read team with a town player, so that whatever the town player says, the scum player can push a supporting or differing narrative on. Moreover, it would just be too suspicious if the scum were partnered with each other, because we could look back at this list and say "oh yeah, Blarg and Swamped teamed up to screw these two players over."

The evidence to support this is right there, even - I'm partnered with Swamped. Blarg is partnered with SexyFish.

What I'm saying is, this list is mutually exclusive. No two people in the same team can be scum, I believe.

I'm not saying this is 100% true, but it's a totally believable assertion. What's important to note, though, is that whatever Blarg was thinking when he created this approach was not the product of just his own line of thinking - he had 4 or 5 heads contributing to whatever this is. Whatever it actually is, this was created in a very deliberate way.
 
woah, wait a second. I just realized something about this list and what it's intent might have been. What if the intent was so that each of these "read teams" could be affected by mafia opinion? Let me explain what I mean in detail...

Let's say that the players of the game follow along with Blarg's proposed plan. The selected teams, presumably chosen at random, give reads on the chosen players. The actual players chosen to be read are not of note, because we can WIFOM about that all day and it's unlikely we'll find anything there, but the intent was not necessarily to portray a specific kind of player in any way - it was to control the way players were read. As such, what you essentially have is the scum sprinkled across these "read teams," where (coupled with a town player) they can give a perspective on the players they are reading. This can be either positive to bolster the receiving players' position in the game or to cast doubt on them.

But the effectiveness of this approach is not the takeaway here. The takeaway is the pairings and how this would be best accomplished. If you wanted to spread out this or a similar tactic to the most players possible, then, as a scum player, the way your pairings are made up should not be completely random. The scum should each be on a read team with a town player, so that whatever the town player says, the scum player can push a supporting or differing narrative on. Moreover, it would just be too suspicious if the scum were partnered with each other, because we could look back at this list and say "oh yeah, Blarg and Swamped teamed up to screw these two players over."

The evidence to support this is right there, even - I'm partnered with Swamped. Blarg is partnered with SexyFish.

What I'm saying is, this list is mutually exclusive. No two people in the same team can be scum, I believe.

I'm not saying this is 100% true, but it's a totally believable assertion. What's important to note, though, is that whatever Blarg was thinking when he created this approach was not the product of just his own line of thinking - he had 4 or 5 heads contributing to whatever this is. Whatever it actually is, this was created in a very deliberate way.

There's not that many scum. But I do think there was some of that at work. I mean, Blarg and Swamped are together.
 
woah, wait a second. I just realized something about this list and what it's intent might have been. What if the intent was so that each of these "read teams" could be affected by mafia opinion? Let me explain what I mean in detail...

Let's say that the players of the game follow along with Blarg's proposed plan. The selected teams, presumably chosen at random, give reads on the chosen players. The actual players chosen to be read are not of note, because we can WIFOM about that all day and it's unlikely we'll find anything there, but the intent was not necessarily to portray a specific kind of player in any way - it was to control the way players were read. As such, what you essentially have is the scum sprinkled across these "read teams," where (coupled with a town player) they can give a perspective on the players they are reading. This can be either positive to bolster the receiving players' position in the game or to cast doubt on them.

But the effectiveness of this approach is not the takeaway here. The takeaway is the pairings and how this would be best accomplished. If you wanted to spread out this or a similar tactic to the most players possible, then, as a scum player, the way your pairings are made up should not be completely random. The scum should each be on a read team with a town player, so that whatever the town player says, the scum player can push a supporting or differing narrative on. Moreover, it would just be too suspicious if the scum were partnered with each other, because we could look back at this list and say "oh yeah, Blarg and Swamped teamed up to screw these two players over."

The evidence to support this is right there, even - I'm partnered with Swamped. Blarg is partnered with SexyFish.

What I'm saying is, this list is mutually exclusive. No two people in the same team can be scum, I believe.

I'm not saying this is 100% true, but it's a totally believable assertion. What's important to note, though, is that whatever Blarg was thinking when he created this approach was not the product of just his own line of thinking - he had 4 or 5 heads contributing to whatever this is. Whatever it actually is, this was created in a very deliberate way.

10 rows so which 5(going by 5 scum this game) rows do you think are the pure village rows then?
 

SkyOdin

Member
This feels like a pointless distraction. While there might be some sort of pattern, we won't be certain until we actually find the scum. Using a pattern put together by Blarg might give us information, but it is so loaded with WIFOM that we could spend days arguing about it fruitlessly.
 
It's pretty clearly not as simple as rows. But I think there is probably scum assigned to scum on one side, in one half or another. But we have to combine with other suspicious actions.
 

Dr. Worm

Banned
I'm not a fan, Stan, of how you voted with Blargonaut for an early plurality on Palmer_v1 during Day 1, and your acohrs vote on Day 2 doesn't reflect well either. You've been somewhat below-radar, and I've more been scumlisting you to ensure that I don't forget you exist. You're more towards the lower part of my list, but you are on it.

Also, for LaunchpadMcQ: I am The Dude Who Puts Chicken on their Pizza.
 
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