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Lifeline

Member
I killed Natiko because I love real Town and would never betray real Town. I did it for you #realTown

Do you really love real town Blarg? Cause I don't feel loved right now mate.

yeah that does make more sense, before i read it before you killing him purely because he claimed miller.



Blarg whats the name of your Commander?

Wow, so quick to buy into Blarg's 50/50 explanation aren't you Stan? Why so much trust? Why no critical thinking of your own?

What is the name of your commander Blarg? Is it Stanley? It's stanley isn't it?
 
Kinda contradicts the Miller, though. It says he returns 'guilty', an alignment cop. That is weak for a scum cop who would need to be a role cop. There's no scenario given in the Miller role that makes it seem like we have both role and alignment cops.
I think the scum cop's primary purpose is to find the neutrals/rogues, if that makes sense. Role cop would be too powerful under scum use.
 

Lifeline

Member
I'm on to you Blarg. I see through your lies. I see through your deception.

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Do you really love real town Blarg? Cause I don't feel loved right now mate.



Wow, so quick to buy into Blarg's 50/50 explanation aren't you Stan? Why so much trust? Why no critical thinking of your own?

What is the name of your commander Blarg? Is it Stanley? It's stanley isn't it?

mate i didnt say shit about what i believe, i just want to make sure i have his story straight before i decide anything. not gona just flood the thread with knee jerk hot takes like some people

stop projecting.
 

Lifeline

Member
mate i didnt say shit about what i believe, i just want to make sure i have his story straight before i decide anything. not gona just flood the thread with knee jerk hot takes like some people

stop projecting.

Blarg: BS theory
Stan: yeah that makes more sense
Life: why'd you buy into this theory
Stan: U wot m8? Fight me irl. "Your story makes sense" is how I say "I'm just making sure I have your story straight"
 

Lifeline

Member
Why so defensive Stan? Why so angry? Did I strike a nerve? Did I catch you in your act?

Calm down, we're just talking man.

its not like I have a history of getting people I suspect killed. RIP in Pizza Dragonz
 
Blarg: BS theory
Stan: yeah that makes more sense
Life: why'd you buy into this theory
Stan: U wot m8? Fight me irl. "Your story makes sense" is how I say "I'm just making sure I have your story straight"

i said "this makes more sense", more as in relative terms, relative to my other interpretation which would have just been all kinds a dumb.

you need to have someones story straight if you want to ever call them out on their BS, else you just end up looking like a fool.
 

Lifeline

Member
you need to have someones story straight if you want to ever call them out on their BS, else you just end up looking like a fool.

Is your definition of calling people out on their BS, defending them from scurnity and uh not calling them out on anything? Cause that's what you've been doing.

Whatever man, unless Blarg role says he has a partner I'm not suspecting you. But if he does, you're being awfully suspicious.
 
Sorian helped town at the end of Arkham before he bounced but prior to that he definitely wreaked some anti-town havoc. And our neutral killed a townie for reasons that might make sense in another game but in this one, we simply had no big reason to doubt Natiko. It wasn't 50/50. I'd say more like 80/20. Natiko had asked for a replacement in the thread and I can't see that as manufactured. Then he saved the Swamped vote.

Killing him was not pro town in my eyes. But is killing a neutral pro-town? I'm inclined to believe the claim. Not 100% and pending a lot more from Blarg.

I wonder who the scum on the Blarg vote were. I bet there was/is some.
 
Is your definition of calling people out on their BS, defending them from scurnity and uh not calling them out on anything? Cause that's what you've been doing.

Whatever man, unless Blarg role says he has a partner I'm not suspecting you. But if he does, you're being awfully suspicious.

man you are just aggressive in your ability to misinterpret.
i never said i did call him out on any BS, i was just looking for it, and being thorough, your the one randomly declaring that he lying without any proof, or any good reason for that matter. exactly the kind of play i was trying to avoid.

and when the heck did i defend blarg over this?
 
Yeah, looking back, definitely inclined to believe Blarg as neutral unless it's some elaborate setup. Which is maybe possible with Blarg but doesn't answer the question of what to do with him.

Stan, while you're here, what's your next angle? Where do you look next?
 
Yeah, looking back, definitely inclined to believe Blarg as neutral unless it's some elaborate setup. Which is maybe possible with Blarg but doesn't answer the question of what to do with him.

Stan, while you're here, what's your next angle? Where do you look next?

right now im just trying to decide if i believe blarg or not (as im basically giving you the benefit of the doubt right now on your red check), after that the biggest scum vibes i have are achors (still) and Issacnukem, so i would be looking more into them.
issac in particular feels like i need to look closer.
 
DAY 3 CURRENT VOTE TALLY:

Blargonaut (4)
hey_monkey 2175 2581
Burbeting 2178
Palmer_v1 2180
LaunchpadMcQ 2183 2291
SkyOdin 2276
acohrs 2407 2615
Nomadic Sparks 2408
isaacnukem 2434 2596
Dr. Worm 2504 2509

hey_monkey (2)
timetokill 2438
Lifeline 2518

BlackBuzzard (1)
acohrs 2615

SkyOdin (0): Nomadic Sparks 2368 2385

timetokill (0): LaunchpadMcQ 2173 2183

Palmer_v1 (0): isaacnukem 2177 2434

Nomadic Sparks (0): timetokill 2361 2438

No active vote for Day 3: BlackBuzzard, Blargonaut, Darryl, Dr. Worm (has previously voted), hey_monkey (has previously voted), isaacnukem (has previously voted), LaunchpadMcQ (has previously voted), StanleyPalmtree, Verelios

Day 3 Postcount: acohrs 9, BlackBuzzard 14, Blargonaut 28, Burbeting 62, Darryl 24, Dr. Worm 41, hey_monkey 57, isaacnukem 34, LaunchpadMcQ 42, Lifeline 24, Nomadic Sparks 14, Palmer_v1 16, SkyOdin 39, StanleyPalmtree 19, timetokill 24, Verelios 36


Day 3 ends:
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Automated vote tally here

9 votes for majority
 

Lifeline

Member
man you are just aggressive in your ability to misinterpret.
i never said i did call him out on any BS, i was just looking for it, and being thorough, your the one randomly declaring that he lying without any proof, or any good reason for that matter. exactly the kind of play i was trying to avoid.

and when the heck did i defend blarg over this?

I think i gave a pretty good reason. Blarg claims he's batting for town, but he just went back to the dugout and lucilled the most confirmed town we have. How can anyone believe he killed Natiko for the best interests of town when Natiko put the finishing vote on Swamped? Natiko could have left it as a tie and no one would have blamed them. Natiko could have voted for Acohrs and no one would have blamed them. Natiko killed a scum and you're telling me Blarg thinks there's 50% chance Natiko is scum too?

If Blarg has the same win condition as Sorian, then his actions "make more sense." If Blarg kills a scum, it actually hurts his chance of being the last 5 alive. He has to go after most likely towns and lower the pool of players to 5 before he can start playing for town.

And i was referring to you not actually asking Blarg any hard questions, but answering the hard questions on his behalf.

Neutral survivor means a role that wins if they are alive at the end of the game, no matter if town or scum would win.

I'm just confused why this sort of role would have shots to kill players, instead of some sort of defensive powers to survive a night kill or two.

the best defense is a good offense?


If your wc isn't disadvantageous to town I'd be interested in hearing you out Blarg. I'm just kind of puzzled on why Natiko was hit. Seems like an arbitrary kill.



refering to the thing i quotes above, apparently he saw Natiko claiming Miller as a 'loose end' that was worth killing, possibly even worth using one of limited shots.


Did you ask Blarg any questions since he gave his Natiko theory? No you didn't. Did you instead answer questions on Blarg's behalf to defend him? Yes you did.

i never said i did call him out on any BS, i was just looking for it, and being thorough

If you want to be thorough you ask questions, at the very least you let them answer their own questions.

you need to have someones story straight if you want to ever call them out on their BS, else you just end up looking like a fool.

Yeah, I have my story straight. Do you?
 
tough crowd, but I'm tougher

Why would a neutral survivor have Killing Power?--

*snip*

crazy, I know right

*snip*

--Plus that most people were BELIEVING the miller claim.--

*snip*

and Lifeline's the Pope. Now Natiko is mod-confirmed too aha

*snip*

Don't you find it a little bit suspect that the "Alignment Cop" hey_monkey reveals herself right after the Miller dies?

--Let's look at the time-stamp of this post from monkey:

*snip*

It was posted one minute after day started, which means Monkey pre-typed it, unless she is some goddess typer. Which means she was going to claim this role, no matter what who was going to flip N2 (excluding herself, obviously).

What comes first, the pre-type or the flip? We may never know. Could hey_monkey have known I was moving to kill Natiko last Night? What if, indeed. That's why I was asking her if she was sure she was Alignment-investigative.

And also, regarding this pre-typed claim: When exactly did she receive the Night-action PM that confirmed a red-check on me? The end of the Night? Because that would indeed mean she's a "goddess typer" as you say, hmm.

So, realistically it must've been a few hours before the Day-start then, yeah?

Which is enough time to pre-type anything after being informed of something, huh. Which welcomes in an entire REALM of possibilities in which the realities are that she's lying to us.

What about the possibility that she's really a scum Tracker or else Tracker variant who saw me kill Natiko last Night, and is now using this as an opportunity to try to disguise herself and infiltrate Town as a "higher-ranking" Investigative Role of Town-aligned Alignment Detective who got a "red-check" on me but which is actually a motion-detection in reality. She and her scum-mates assume that their green-move-detect against Natiko is a sighting of an active-type Power Role, maybe even the Town Vigilante, maybe some kind of custom anti-Miller Detective specifically meant to exonerate Millers in lieu of an Alignment Detective even, moving on the Miller claimant but little did they know that I'm actually a Neutral killer having a fun fucking Night out gambling among Town, yeah? With Swamped dead there was no one left to interrupt me and so they let me finish my meal in peace. But then after they saw me leave the premises they greenlit this scum!gambit for hey_monkey to execute to try and take me down with the prospect of career advancement because what use is a Tracker in a Role Madness game full of Power Roles anyway, right? Hay in a stack of hay, so they say in the corporate world where promotions are the new water and players are like rain. The real authorities won't intervene due to their own self-interest and now I'm all alone against the scum tide, able to hunt me the hunter, ironic. They should've left me alone but they couldn't, and now they expect me to hand myself in for their dirty work but little did they know I'm the real laundromat deal. And now I'm back, for the xth time(s)!11 Lifeline eat your heart out.

Spoilers for Blade Runner aside, my point about the potential time for dastardly-plotted pre-type still stands. Pre-typed as the premise for a pardon of a scum-scheming charge is flawed when the Night-action PM receipt timing may vary so as to possibly provide space for it; even if said scum-scheming charge hinges on knowledge of the flip just prior, such knowledge may be attained for the pre-typing claimant by other non-individual means in said space of time. Such as by a team, perhaps? Whoa.

I myself did not receive a confirmation PM that my Natiko kill was successful and that's besides the fact that my kill(s) are irresistible in any case(s) anyway(s), so you won't be getting soft help from me on that front.

Maybe Lifeline can shed some light for us on when exactly did he receive his mod-confirmation PM before the D2-start, if any.
 

Lifeline

Member
vote: Blargonaut

Still don't buy the Monkey + Sky thing, but I doubt i'll be able to convince anyone to test it. Might as well remove a wildcard neutral from play.

Leaving Sorian alive for as long as town did in Arkham did not work out in their favor.
 
I think it's suspect we have a neutral survivor claim who can also apparently shoot players dead. Those two don't usually ever align together.

And I still doubt Monkey and Sky were colluding together, because it would be really stupid scum plan if they got found out. And yeah, Miller still means a town cop exists.

War is a game won by loss
 

Lifeline

Member
I agree with Blarg and monkey should be our next lynch after Blarg.

Also Blarg, do you want to explain why you really killed Natiko?
 
vote: Blargonaut

Still don't buy the Monkey + Sky thing, but I doubt i'll be able to convince anyone to test it. Might as well remove a wildcard neutral from play.

Leaving Sorian alive for as long as town did in Arkham did not work out in their favor.

I could recite a fitting wartime quote for this line of thinking but I feel its use would shamefully devalue its poignancy, so I'll just insinuate its application here for the well-read
 
I think i gave a pretty good reason. Blarg claims he's batting for town, but he just went back to the dugout and lucilled the most confirmed town we have. How can anyone believe he killed Natiko for the best interests of town when Natiko put the finishing vote on Swamped? Natiko could have left it as a tie and no one would have blamed them. Natiko could have voted for Acohrs and no one would have blamed them. Natiko killed a scum and you're telling me Blarg thinks there's 50% chance Natiko is scum too?

If Blarg has the same win condition as Sorian, then his actions "make more sense." If Blarg kills a scum, it actually hurts his chance of being the last 5 alive. He has to go after most likely towns and lower the pool of players to 5 before he can start playing for town.

And i was referring to you not actually asking Blarg any hard questions, but answering the hard questions on his behalf.







Did you ask Blarg any questions since he gave his Natiko theory? No you didn't. Did you instead answer questions on Blarg's behalf to defend him? Yes you did.



If you want to be thorough you ask questions, at the very least you let them answer their own questions.



Yeah, I have my story straight. Do you?

points in order, imma keep em short cuz its 2 am and if i go full on ill ramble and i dont think anyone will enjoy that.

natikos vote could have been bussing, he was certainly not confirmed town, the miller claim put it even more doubt.

blarg helpiing town win fast is totally in his interest, town can win much sooner than scum ever could.

my "defense" was a joke, and me reaffirming my question about the point he made, the question i asked in the same bloody post.
thats a weaker defense than even the Warriors (if you were a kiwi you would find this hilarious).

no i didnt ask anything since then, yeah i probably should have. thats my bad.

..i think thats everything?


why am i still awake?
 

Lifeline

Member
That's what I thought. You underStand me so well

That makes no sense.

What's more beneficial to scum?

1. Killing one of their own teammate and in exchange having one of their players be seen as likely town.

2. Leaving it at a tie, dragging the acohrs/swamped debate for another day, giving scum another day to do their night actions.

3. Voting for acohrs. Keeping their teammate alive. And since acohrs was originally set to be lynched anyway, no one would blame Natiko for being the deciding vote.
 

Burbeting

Banned
Lifeline is finally making posts that make sense.

Yeah, no. Natiko the scum voting swamped out as a bussing attempt really wouldn't had make sense in any alternative universe.
 

Lifeline

Member
What's more likely?

1. There's a weird hybrid survivor role with NK abilities and night protection abilities whose goal is to live to the end.

2. Or there's a SK with normal SK abilities whose goal is to be among the last 5.

If Blarg is 1, his Natiko kill makes no sense

If Blarg is 2, his Natiko kill makes sense, as he's playing the same way Sorian was with the SK role.
 

Palmer_v1

Member
Catching up again. There's no way blarg isn't the right lynch still. He's an anti-town neutral at best, and actual scum at worst. He'd turn on town quickly once it benefitted him.

He killed Natiko, who was town read by anyone sane. Only thing better would be lifeline, but he's likely to get protected.
 

Lifeline

Member
Lifeline is finally making posts that make sense.

Yeah, no. Natiko the scum voting swamped out as a bussing attempt really wouldn't had make sense in any alternative universe.

I don't see how two players who have previously been logical (Blarg and Stan), are both saying that Natiko being scum is a strong 50/50 possibility.

I really wish Blarg's role says he has a partner, because that would help make Stanely's actions make so much more sense.
 
I don't see how two players who have previously been logical (Blarg and Stan), are both saying that Natiko being scum is a strong 50/50 possibility.

I really wish Blarg's role says he has a partner, because that would help make Stanely's actions make so much more sense.

...is now a good time to say im still on board with a blarg lynch.

like, even if i believe him, he is still a vigilante neutral, and still blarg.
and hell no i wouldnt trust blarg with that kinda power.
 
That makes no sense.

What's more beneficial to scum?

1. Killing one of their own teammate and in exchange having one of their players be seen as likely town.

2. Leaving it at a tie, dragging the acohrs/swamped debate for another day, giving scum another day to do their night actions.

3. Voting for acohrs. Keeping their teammate alive. And since acohrs was originally set to be lynched anyway, no one would blame Natiko for being the deciding vote.

A) For them? If someone's gotta go down, it's this.

B) Contrary to prior events, it's incredibly hard to end on a tie. D1 was freaky, D2 proved it

C) acohrs originally set to be lynched? Did you witness the same D2 I did? Nothing was set in stone. L pls

Of course, ideally, they'd want their teammate alive. But if the ship's sinking you blame the weather, yeah?

I have the right and the freedom to gamble, sir. If Natiko flipped scum of midst-gambit you'd all be worshipping me right now. But it turned out he's actually a Miller. Who claims as Miller when they're actually a Miller? Disgusting player.

Burb understands
 
regarding the natiko scum bussing thing.
ever since mini mafia im super sensitive to scum bussing. in that game there were only 2 scum, and they bused each other on the second day. remaining scum cursed his way to victory thanks to that. its a bloody powerful strategy.

although i gotta admit, the partner thing would really explain why he plagiarized my pineapple.
 

Burbeting

Banned
I have the right and the freedom to gamble, sir. If Natiko flipped scum of midst-gambit you'd all be worshipping me right now. But it turned out he's actually a Miller. Who claims as Miller when they're actually a Miller? Disgusting player.

Burb understands

Miller makes sense, Miller tracker does not :p.

Anyway. Blarg you have still not explained why you decided to save swamped the scum d2 by:

1. First trying to divert swamped votes directly to Palmer (you directly pleaded Darryl, who was the leading swamped lynched at that time).

2. When that didn't play out as well as you hoped, in a tie you voted on acohrs instead on swamped together with verelios, and made acohrs into the primary d2 lynch target.

Because that's logical for neutral survivor, get as much attention as possible and try to save someone visibly.
 

Lifeline

Member
B) Contrary to prior events, it's incredibly hard to end on a tie. D1 was freaky, D2 proved it

C) acohrs originally set to be lynched? Did you witness the same D2 I did? Nothing was set in stone. L pls

Both these points don't make sense

Timeline:

- At 4:57: Acohrs was leading and was going to be lynched that day.

- At 4:58 (2 mins before end of day): The game is tied by me. Natiko could have sat back and it would have ended in a tie and all the blame would have gone to me. (at this point Scum, didn't know i had a second post ready to hit before deadline)

- At 4:59 (1 min before end of day): Natiko not only breaks the tie, but does so by pushing Swamped.

- At 5:00: Swamped is dead and flips scum.


A scum Natiko had multiple choices at that point and if they're scum they're terrible at their job and chose the worst possible choice.
 
The only input ttk really has had on the game so far is that push for monkey lynch.

What are your thoughts on verelios?

No strong opinions one way or the other. My general observations are that he is trying to stir shit and not really sure of how to make anything happen.


My Role-name is The Deliverer. Apparently I'm just trying to do my job and deliver these goddamn pizza(s) and if it's got pineapple on it that's your order(s), fucker(s).

And I killed Natiko last Night. Surprise!

...not a single one of you questioned why Natiko, the fucking MILLER claimant, died. I tried to coax you into noticing, into discussing it, but nope. 2 Role-claims at the beginning of the Day and you all salivate your minds off.

I'll bring it up then: why the fuck would scum kill the Miller claimant?

Don't you find it a little bit suspect that the "Alignment Cop" hey_monkey reveals herself right after the Miller dies?

It's because they didn't. I did.

I killed Natiko. That's what Town-aligned Vigilantes are supposed to do, aren't they? Cut off loose ends? I mean, I'm Neutral, but c'mon. sry scum to play off the meta but GAFia Town needed the help as of late, no

So that begs the question; why the lonesome kill? Where's the N2 two-fer? Well, I have one weird theory:

Scum failed their kill last Night.

Swamped died. She was their Roleblocker.

Her loss simply increased the odds of their NK failing, due to no Roleblock preventing a Doctor protect. And I believe such a thing happened last Night. Role Madness, yes?

Huh?

Am I x-shot(s)? Probably.

Ok, the fact that anyone is buying this is hilarious to me.

Let's take a step back for a second and point out all the inconsistencies with this claim:

  • Blarg's flavor claims he's the deliverer, but Natiko died from a hatchet. Fluff is fluff, but that is a bizarre ass twist.
  • There was only one NK on N1. Are you telling me him or scum missed two nights in a row? NOT BLOODY LIKELY.
  • He asks why Natiko die - the reason to which I've stated and should be obvious. The one confirmed town in the game, Lifeline, was the likeliest to be protected if there was a doctor role in this game (if you're the doctor, you know who you are and you made the right call if that was your move). So they went with the miller, who people kind of bought due to the earnestness of his role claim. I still had doubts, but most everyone put Natiko pretty high on their town list. "NICE CHOICE, NEUTRAL BLARG" - no. If it's true he's neutral, then this is the most anti-town move he could have made and trusting him is stupid, but likelihood is he's lying.
  • Breadcrumbs? People pls, he could have breadcrumbed his role a million times over then designed the actual mechanics at the last moment when he was put on the spot.
  • Blarg has pretty much accepted he'll be dead soon. If we let him go now, he will have survived one day longer than expected (once we lynch someone else and flip them town) and that's already a win in this scenario.
  • Blarg is a neutral SK, he tries to start a train on Palmer at the last minute. Why they hell does he not kill Palmer!?

C'mon guys, this is a free scum lynch. Just take it.
 

Lifeline

Member
Blarg's flavor claims he's the deliverer, but Natiko died from a hatchet. Fluff is fluff, but that is a bizarre ass twist.

I don't get the people buying Blarg's fantasy either, but pretty sure the Natiko hatchet thing came from Natiko's will. I doubt Sophia would allow important information to be given through a will and it's just a made up joke to show how much Natiko hates pineapples.

And yeah I agree lynching Blarg has no negatives. At best, we lose a SK. At worst, we lose a unpredictable neutral with killing powers.
 
Catching up again. There's no way blarg isn't the right lynch still. He's an anti-town neutral at best, and actual scum at worst. He'd turn on town quickly once it benefitted him.

He killed Natiko, who was town read by anyone sane. Only thing better would be lifeline, but he's likely to get protected.

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You are the most agendaful slimy sidewinding backstabbing filth of a player this fucking side of the galactic core and I curse the Day Town decided you were meaningful to this game.

Natiko was a late Miller claimant. You Town-read that? Just because he hammer-voted scum!Swamped out does not equate confirmation of Alignment nor good intent. You Town-read that? The keyword here is bussing. And anti-Town my ass, Vigilantes kill Millers all the fucking time.

Bussing, which by the way, you mightily fucking might've been a part of yourself. You did exactly what I predicted you would do Yesterday when you jumped vote last-minute and participated in a potential bussing of Swamped, despite her saving you D1? Why did you even have her in your sights? You jumped onto the Swamped count midway, you weren't the origin. Launch was. And you had every motivation for gratitude for Swamped after D1 and you scorned it instead, and then I'm supposed to Town-read you for your end-of-Day leapfrogging? Am I honestly meant to believe you didn't bus Swamped out after all this? Get the fuck out with that

fuck off with that and your selfish-ass spin, good for you annoying me so much, you are fucking great I love you

And what the fuck do you mean by that Lifeline line? come back a sec
 
I don't get the people buying Blarg's fantasy either, but pretty sure the Natiko hatchet thing came from Natiko's will. I doubt Sophia would allow important information to be given through a will and it's just a made up joke to show how much Natiko hates pineapples.

And yeah I agree lynching Blarg has no negatives. At best, we lose a SK. At worst, we lose a unpredictable neutral with killing powers.

The hatchet is in the flavor of how Natiko died.
 
No strong opinions one way or the other. My general observations are that he is trying to stir shit and not really sure of how to make anything happen.




Ok, the fact that anyone is buying this is hilarious to me.

Let's take a step back for a second and point out all the inconsistencies with this claim:

  • Blarg's flavor claims he's the deliverer, but Natiko died from a hatchet. Fluff is fluff, but that is a bizarre ass twist.
  • There was only one NK on N1. Are you telling me him or scum missed two nights in a row? NOT BLOODY LIKELY.
  • He asks why Natiko die - the reason to which I've stated and should be obvious. The one confirmed town in the game, Lifeline, was the likeliest to be protected if there was a doctor role in this game (if you're the doctor, you know who you are and you made the right call if that was your move). So they went with the miller, who people kind of bought due to the earnestness of his role claim. I still had doubts, but most everyone put Natiko pretty high on their town list. "NICE CHOICE, NEUTRAL BLARG" - no. If it's true he's neutral, then this is the most anti-town move he could have made and trusting him is stupid, but likelihood is he's lying.
  • Breadcrumbs? People pls, he could have breadcrumbed his role a million times over then designed the actual mechanics at the last moment when he was put on the spot.
  • Blarg has pretty much accepted he'll be dead soon. If we let him go now, he will have survived one day longer than expected (once we lynch someone else and flip them town) and that's already a win in this scenario.
  • Blarg is a neutral SK, he tries to start a train on Palmer at the last minute. Why they hell does he not kill Palmer!?

C'mon guys, this is a free scum lynch. Just take it.

  1. Using flavour text against me is a weak-ass twist. And I'm Strong.
  2. N1: 1 kill (SexyFish). N2: 1 kill (Natiko). There's only been 2 bloody Nights, chronological genius. Sue me for not wanting to use an x-shot(s) N1 after the D1 bullshit. I'd like to kill important and meaningful players. SexyFish was scum's kill, what the fuck are you on about saying scum missed 2 Nights? What the fuck are you on about? And did you miss the theory I dropped in consideration of Swamped scum!Roleblocker dying and thus making scum more vulnerable to a NK-prevention N2 than N1? What is this?
  3. Bullshit. Why are people giving mass Townie points to the player who made a late Miller claim? Then proceeded to break a tie at the last minute, just so happening to kill off a scum? On the planet I'm on, that screams opportunistic. To me it looked like Natiko the Miller took the chance to bus for extreme Town cred. Natiko deserved to die, and I hope he burns in Diablo [Mafia] when I eventually host it.
  4. I breadcrumbed, fuck me, right? And what if I didn't?
  5. Don't put words in my mouth.
  6. Because as much as I hate Palmer, the context around Natiko justified him taking priority. Sue me for taking the pro-Town angle and trying to help tie off a loose end, his reads be damned he was a Miller. If I wanted to fuck you up real anti-Town like, I'd have walked through Lifeline's house and made him the foundation. But I didn't. You'd best BELIEVE Palmer's high on my all-time greatest hit list.
Launch, you're ignoring a whole lot of me for what your opinion is.
 

SkyOdin

Member
There is an important angle to remember here: town's winning condition is when all threats to town have been eliminated. If Blarg qualifies as a threat, then it is impossible for town to win while he is still alive. The fact that he has the ability to kill town pretty much hits the criteria for "threat".

Keeping Blarg alive hinges on the hope that 1) he is actually a neutral and scum trying to survive a bit longer, and 2) that he decides to use his power to help town. Even if both of those unlikely possibilities end up being true, we would need to eliminate him eventually.
 

SkyOdin

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regarding the natiko scum bussing thing.
ever since mini mafia im super sensitive to scum bussing. in that game there were only 2 scum, and they bused each other on the second day. remaining scum cursed his way to victory thanks to that. its a bloody powerful strategy.

although i gotta admit, the partner thing would really explain why he plagiarized my pineapple.
I still feel bad about that, BTW. I have been trying to be more cognizant of bussing too after that. Also, never turbo in Mylo/Lylo. Arkham could have benefited from that lesson.
 
There is an important angle to remember here: town's winning condition is when all threats to town have been eliminated. If Blarg qualifies as a threat, then it is impossible for town to win while he is still alive. The fact that he has the ability to kill town pretty much hits the criteria for "threat".

Keeping Blarg alive hinges on the hope that 1) he is actually a neutral and scum trying to survive a bit longer, and 2) that he decides to use his power to help town. Even if both of those unlikely possibilities end up being true, we would need to eliminate him eventually.

Red-text threat differs vastly from implied threat.

I already did the pro-Town thing with my Power. What bloody fucking motivation would I have to suddenly switch sides? Scum's down 1 member out of 4 or 5 and the rest of you fuckers have the numbers. Why. The. Fuck. Would. I. Help. Scum. Now.
 
Blarg, did I miss it or did you address the META reasons for trusting Natiko? Because that's more important here than regular miller shit, eh? Our particular circumstances change the whole game in that regard.

I'm also finding it kinda funny that if your claim is true, so is mine - and I alleged from the start that my result could have meant neutral. But you sure are interested in spinning me as scum, eh? Encouraging that lynch. Which removes another person likely to be town. Yeah man, you are the towniest neutral ever.
 
Is anyone even going to attempt suggesting an alternative?
Thing is, Blarg, despite your repeating it, just don't think killing Natiko was pro-town. If you wanna support town and hurry along a town win, and you think you have scum reads... well, seems that alternative suggests itself.
 
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