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[ScientificPizza]

I would expect people from both sides discussing the issue. You've made an incorrect assumption. Clearly that kind of thing doesn't happen here.

We're really in full sprint now

 

[smokeandmirrors]

I would expect people from both sides discussing the issue. You've made an incorrect assumption. Clearly that kind of thing doesn't happen here.

there is no discussion.

a discussion ends up being "I disagree with your point about [x] here's why"

anything relating to Anita ends up:

"WOW HOW DARE YOU SAY WOMEN DESERVE TO BE EQUAL YOU MARXIST THEORIST FEMINIST CUNT ILL KILL YOU"

you are not even coming here in good faith so i dont know why we're still dealing with you.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

I would expect people from both sides discussing the issue. You've made an incorrect assumption. Clearly that kind of thing doesn't happen here.

The side of harassers and bigots have no value except to morons. Are you a moron, nesmar?

 

[Bastables]

General belief in Marxist feminist ideology. More specifically, the dishonest cherry picking to "prove" her point. I don't care for Carl since he wastes time on silly nonsense like Anita, but he's definitely not what he is made out to be by the people here.

Ahh so you're not in favour of treating Women as equals as you're mired in a swamp of fascist hate ideology drawing directly from NAZI ideas.

Good to know.

 

[Ozigizo]

Ah, so an echo chamber has been maintained.

Loool.

Have fun on Voat!

Yo, we're gonna get a bingo from one guy.

 

[Nepenthe]

Loool.

Have fun on Voat!

You just know he's going to go on there or Reddit and jack off to the praise he's gonna receive for really sticking it to us.

 

[Cheebo]

I would expect people from both sides discussing the issue. You've made an incorrect assumption. Clearly that kind of thing doesn't happen here.

It isn't a debate. There isn't two sides.

It's like saying you expect to hear from both sides discussing the issue of whether racism is okay or not.

Sexism is bad and hate speak, attacking feminism is sexist plain and simple. Just like attacking the concept of racial equality is being racist.

There isn't two sides to sexism, there isn't two sides to racism.


Seriously dude LOOK AT THE IMAGES. This is how your grandkids will look back at those who attack feminism. Do you really want to be on this side of history?

Look at these ones in particular. See how it equates racial equality with communism? Just like how you equated sexual equality with communism?

That image right there should be a wake up call to you. It's an exact mirror of your "marxist feminism" comment.

 

[faint.]

Any person with half a brain should have expected her to react like that. When you spend years making videos taking the piss out of someone and then show up to sit the front row of a panel she's running it can only come off as an intimidation tactic.

I don't agree with all of Anita's videos/opinions but this was ridiculous. You can tell these people don't have a leg to stand on when they crying that "She broke Vidcon rules! Ban her! She's harasses people!"

Someone literally asked her "Do you really believe the things you say" --- What? How is anyone supposed to respond to something like this?

This is actually a perfectly legitimate question, IMO. I doubt it was asked with good intentions, and you'll seldom ever get a "no" from the party in question, but there is nothing inherently wrong with the question itself. It sort of makes me think about Alex Jones and how his attorneys played his career off as a "character" in the hopes that it would help him win his custody case.

 

[ScientificPizza]

You just know he's going to go on there or Reddit and jack off to the praise he's gonna receive for really sticking it to us.

"i infiltrated the echo chamber of neogaf to speak the truth, but i was dogpiled by their hive mind for having an opinion that didn't fit their Leftist Agenda"

24 upvotes

 

[nesmar]

You can't look at video game women and not think that she has a point that women aren't depicted very well in video games. Like, even in comparison to Hollywood movies, games are even worse, with their 1000-year-old-dragons-that-look-like-sexualized-13-year-olds-with, way too common trope of women being rewards for doing heroic stuff, bikini armors & such. There's nothing dishonest about pointing those things out, especially when she does also bring up positive examples.

And how is Carl "not what he is made out to be" when he showed up at a panel Anita was attending purely as an indimitation (or "trolling") tactic, with the intention that their presence would hopefully shut her up or a t least cause her some mental anguish. After years of harassment, you cannot make the argument that they were there, en masse, to just hear her out. That's pure, fucking stalkery, considering how he & his kind have obsessed over Anita for years now. You are ignorant as fuck if you try to argue anything otherwise.

Do I really have to show you example where she is being dishonest? Anything aimed at men is going to sexualize women, if you don't care for that don't buy the product. The more this happens in general the less products like that will be made (the free market). I personally don't care if men are portrayed a certain way that pleases an audience, even if I think low of it. It's a live and let live approach.

As for Carl, I don't care enough about him to defend him. Think what you will.

 

[Enter The 36 Chambers]

I recognised the name in the OP from the joe rogan podcast.

This guy is really awkward and weird. The way he talks about this girl is just so creepy. When he looked at the camera and spoke to her?

Also realised I dont know any of the massively popular you tubers.

Everthing comes back to this same girl, it's like he's obsessed.

 

[Phocks]

It isn't a debate. There isn't two sides.

It's like saying you expect to hear from both sides discussing the issue of whether racism is okay or not.

Sexism is bad and hate speak, people who stand up against feminism are sexists.

There isn't two sides to sexism, there isn't two sides to racism.

This is such a dangerous line of thought.

 

[Ozigizo]

Do I really have to show you example where she is being dishonest?

Yes.

 

[Famassu]

Ah, so an echo chamber has been maintained.

The ideologies these people push forward lead to people being physically & mentally harmed (beaten up and even killed, raped, verbally harassed) around the world. Being intolerant of that is not creating an echo chamber, it's being a decent human being.

If someone has some legit criticism about these subjects like feminism with some actual arguments that hold water, they are welcomed.

Like how feminism/feminists can still be racist or at least dismissing/ignorant towards the plights of POC:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1195659
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1054358

 

[nesmar]

Loool.

Have fun on Voat!

Yo, we're gonna get a bingo from one guy.

I don't know what a Voat or bingo are d;

Everyone here needs to youtube Thomas Sowell. You poor bastards.

 

[brad-t]

Do I really have to show you example where she is being dishonest? Anything aimed at men is going to sexualize women, if you don't care for that don't buy the product. The more this happens in general the less products like that will be made (the free market). I personally don't care if men are portrayed a certain way that pleases an audience, even if I think low of it. It's a live and let live approach.

As for Carl, I don't care enough about him to defend him. Think what you will.

This isn't about her being dishonest or getting some detail about a video game wrong in a video. It's about a coordinated harassment campaign that's unjustifiable under any circumstances. I get that it's to your benefit to obfuscate those discussions as one-in-the-same though; after all, you brought it to this thread in the first place.

 

[semiconscious]

30 pages in a day for this?...

it's an astounding exchange of ideas! ...

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Do I really have to show you example where she is being dishonest?

Yes you do. That's how discussion works. Not that you and your echo chamber buds over at your trash pit would have any clue.

 

[reelbigtink]

"i infiltrated the echo chamber of neogaf to speak the truth, but i was dogpiled by their hive mind for having an opinion that didn't fit their Leftist Agenda"

24 upvotes

/r/JoeRogan

 

[Klappdrachen]

When is YouTube going to purge itself of these motherfuckers? Even their thumbnails are rage-inducing.

 

[IrishNinja]

Standing up against feminism will look JUST as bad in 20-30 years as these images. Before you attack feminism and "SJW's" think of how you want your grandkids to one day think of you.

it already that way, many of them & their favorite YT'ers will just be apologists down the road
we got people here in 2k17 on about the heritage of confederate flags, religious freedoms in homophobia, etc etc.

on some level, i assume these winners know they're forever fighting losing battles over time, but that just seems to make them double down

I would expect people from both sides discussing the issue. You've made an incorrect assumption. Clearly that kind of thing doesn't happen here.

yeah, GAF has been a great place to spew gamergate/MRA bullshit forever now...but being a legit member for 10 years here, i'm sure i don't have to tell you that

 

[nesmar]

The ideologies these people push forward lead to people being physically & mentally harmed (beaten up and even killed, raped, verbally harassed) around the world. Being intolerant of that is not creating an echo chamber, it's being a decent human being.

If someone has some legit criticism about these subjects like feminism with some actual arguments that hold water, they are welcomed.

Like how feminism/feminists can still be racist or at least dismissing/ignorant towards the plights of POC:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1195659
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1054358

Any kind of initiation of violence is abhorrent of course, but if everyone here is a progressive, that is an echo chamber.

 

[Nepenthe]

Anything aimed at men is going to sexualize women

But if I were to say all men objectify women and are thus sexist, you'd be mad.

if you don't care for that don't buy the product. The more this happens in general the less products like that will be made (the free market).

Boycotting video games doesn't work in a community specifically centered around people spending as much money as possible on video games without a care for what their money supports.

I personally don't care if men are portrayed a certain way that pleases an audience, even if I think low of it. It's a live and let live approach.

You probably don't care because men are portrayed in such a wide range of personalities and roles that you're desensitized to their media representation.

As for Carl, I don't care enough about him to defend him. Think what you will.

But you defended him anyway.

 

[Toxi]

If you're actually interested in discussion, then don't accuse people of being close-minded the moment they disagree with you.

 

[Crossing Eden]

Any kind of initiation of violence is abhorrent of course, but if everyone here is a progressive, that is an echo chamber.

No it's not, because then we actually have a good starting for ACTUAL discussion to take place without the usual suspects coming in with their whataboutisms.

 

[ScientificPizza]

When is YouTube going to purge itself of these motherfuckers? Even their thumbnails are rage-inducing.

Can you even imagine the ~censorship~ shitstorm that would ensue

 

[nesmar]

it already that way, many of them & their favorite YT'ers will just be apologists down the road
we got people here in 2k17 on about the heritage of confederate flags, religious freedoms in homophobia, etc etc.

on some level, i assume these winners know they're forever fighting losing battles over time, but that just seems to make them double down



yeah, GAF has been a great place to spew gamergate/MRA bullshit forever now...but being a legit member for 10 years here, i'm sure i don't have to tell you that

Check my post history, I barely exist here, and I probably won't post again for a long while (enjoy). I just wanted to know what sweet games are out there.

 

[IrishNinja]

I don't know what a Voat or bingo are d;

Everyone here needs to youtube Thomas Sowell. You poor bastards.

oh yeah, dude's a winner

Check my post history, I barely exist here, and I probably won't post again for a long while (enjoy). I just wanted to know what sweet games are out there.

no doubt, you prolly just stumbled into here with no agenda at all

 

[clearestblue]

General belief in Marxist feminist ideology. More specifically, the dishonest cherry picking to "prove" her point. I don't care for Carl since he wastes time on silly nonsense like Anita, but he's definitely not what he is made out to be by the people here.

Do you know what Marxist feminism is?

 

[Ozigizo]

Check my post history, I barely exist here, and I probably won't post again for a long while (enjoy). I just wanted to know what sweet games are out there.

I guess whatever red pill forum you post on would take most of your time up.

 

[Cheebo]

I don't know what a Voat or bingo are d;

Everyone here needs to youtube Thomas Sowell. You poor bastards.

Man, please look at this image and think how it looks today and think about you equating feminism with communism on the last page.

This. Is. How. You. Will. Look. To. Your. Grandkids.

 

[Nepenthe]

I just wanted to know what sweet games are out there.

Which is why you're in a thread defending people who make a living harassing women.

 

[nephilimdj]

I watched the clips on youtube, nothing to crazy, from what I understand she held 2 panels and only had a few trollish questions. All planels have someone being a smart ass.

I get the deeper issue discussed here is gamergate, but seems wasnt that big.

 

[nesmar]

oh yeah, dude's a winner



no doubt, you prolly just stumbled into here with no agenda at all

Thomas Sowell is the man. You people really need to hear the counter argument to the nonsense in your heads at least once.

 

[Red Arremer]

Everyone here needs to youtube Thomas Sowell. You poor bastards.

Ah, Thomas Sowell, a fantastic example of a human being.
His proposals that everyone should be out for themselves, and taxing the rich to maintain the needy is greed, truly humane.

 

[Nepenthe]

Thomas Sowell is the man. You people really need to hear the counter argument to the nonsense in your heads at least once.

At least you picked a black guy to agree with you.

 

[nesmar]

Which is why you're in a thread defending people who make a living harassing women.

I also bought Nier if it makes you feel better.

 

[IrishNinja]

Thomas Sowell is the man. You people really need to hear the counter argument to the nonsense in your heads at least once.

Uh huh. I'm surprised so many people here don't think Sowell is full of shit.

 

[Inuhanyou]

This is such a dangerous line of thought.

Its true though, you can't really argue a merit for racism, or sexism. THat's just a fact. What is there to discuss about it?

The discussion should be between people who are feminists but believe in the degree of expression necessary to get the point across.

There are people who believe things would be better in gaming if there were simply more female heroines who did not fit an archetype of a particular color or ethnicity, there are also people who thiink things will never be solved unless there are no archetypes present period.

There are people who think there should be no sexy outfits in games period, and there are people who think men should be equally represented proportionate to females.

See, that's a debate on the degree of expression.

The opposite to both of these(and illogical) is the argument of whether or not both sides of the argument i mentioned above are radical feminists who want to discuss things i'm uncomfortable with in general about female portrayals in gaming, and so they should be silenced.

 

[nesmar]

At least you picked a black guy to agree with you.

Hahaha all you see is race/sex. If I could pick anyone to be president it would be him. Possibly the wisest man on the planet.

 

[Alebrije]

I would expect people from both sides discussing the issue. You've made an incorrect assumption. Clearly that kind of thing doesn't happen here.

Although there are a lot of topics where different shadows of grey can interact and and converge. There are others more important for the base of a society that are just black or white.

You can not discuss or have a middle opinion about slavery, like " maybe is not as bad as some think".
The same with equal gender opportunities. The irony is that all those feminists detractors came from a woman, unless they think a stork dropped them on a front door.

So basically there is not a discussion when you want to talk about other people rights and opportunities.

 

[Cheebo]

Thomas Sowell is the man. You people really need to hear the counter argument to the nonsense in your heads at least once.

Ask a black teen who has been shot for just being black how real racism is, why don't you?

 

[Nepenthe]

I also bought Nier if it makes you feel better.

As a black woman, nothing you can say in this thread will make me feel better. Good on you for trying though. I await for you to name-drop the next commentator who thinks black people are just making it all up.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

You people really need to hear the counter argument to the nonsense in your heads at least once.

Heh. Maximum irony.

 

[ScientificPizza]

You people really need to hear the counter argument to the nonsense in your heads at least once.

I've heard the counter arguments a billion times, I don't care about your personal favourite delivery device of outdated ideology

Hahaha all you see is race/sex. If I could pick anyone to be president it would be him. Possibly the wisest man on the planet.

LOL

 

[Dynheart]

Give us an argument that adds merit to misogyny in the gaming community.

Why are you on about misogyny? I never mentioned such a thing, but instead posted that people can have an argument that can have merit on both sides. Your post implies that anyone who presents an argument toward the current feminist push, they are automatically labeled a misogynist (a pretty serious word that gets tossed around a lot for the sake of argument around here) . If the guy is a shithead, then he is a shit head, and that what was presented should go to the wayside. If there is a well thought out argument, then it should probably be considered (and it most likely not about being misogynistic)

I also want to point out that people can want the same thing (equality between male and female), but can have a different perspective/way of approaching it. This should also not prompt people to label others, as they want the same thing. But what instead happens is assumption in the worst possible angle, and people disregarding another's thoughts because it does not fit their own. IMO, this will accomplish nothing, as proper communication is needed to move forward. That would include listening all sides, and consider. If the intent is clearly misogynistic, the obviously thing to do then IS to disregard. But we do this with other subjects anyway.

 

[sensui-tomo]

I also bought Nier if it makes you feel better.

the fuck does you buying nier have to do with anything?

 

[Nepenthe]

Hahaha all you see is race/sex.

I see race and sex because my fucking eyes work.

 

[Claude Augario]

Check my post history, I barely exist here, and I probably won't post again for a long while (enjoy). I just wanted to know what sweet games are out there.

What part of "Anita Sarkeesian calls out human excrement" sounded like the sweet games you were looking for?

 

[brad-t]

Man the mask of clearly restrained politeness and faux-intellectualism seems to slip faster and faster each time