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Just Mafia |OT| Sometimes You Don't Need A Reason to Lynch Your Friends

NeckToChicken

Unconfirmed Member
Everything's gone to hell, eh?

Zubz, who are you gonna Investigate Tonight? Let's get this clear so we don't accidentally look at the same player. Leave Karkador, franconp, Lone_Prodigy and hey_monkey out of your candidate pool, I'll deal.

Kitsunelaine, NecktoChicken, what do you think of those 4 players I just name-dropped?

-Karkador was aloof, yet taking actions that needle town. I don't think he's scum, but have no reason to think he's town either. His play is changing as today develops, which is expected with how the day is going.

-franconp I've trusted so far. He helped advocate on Cewyn, which in and of itself is not easy to read. Still, I don't think he was trying to bait Zubz into death like Zubz did. He seems both very focused on his targets (not flinching at day's end to move to a different train) while not being bullheaded enough to only accept them (switched from Zubz when he could've maintained day 1). General town read, but a little zealous sometimes. I reckon he's chained to Zubz today, because if he jumps off the wagon at any point and Zubz flips scum... it'd look pretty bad.

-Lone_Prodigy I suspected of being a lost partner due to post #4 missing its numbering. Later on, I realized that post #2 also lacked it and silently backed away because I felt like a dingus for a really poor quality read. I can't shake LP as scum, but this is entirely my brain trying to vindicate itself. I don't trust him... but I don't have a good reason for doing so at present, so I'll give you a null read instead.

-hey_monkey seems to be thoughtful and playing well. Simply considering the implications of my day 1 Kark voters becoming no lynch voters post has endeared her to me. Making the 4th vote on Cewyn at a time when there were other options to push over the edge is either a scum masterstroke or a great indicator that she is not scum. I believe the latter, so hey_monkey is maybe my most trusted player at present.

Karkador is the most suspicious of them all but still doesn't have the feel of a scum.
 
I've already addressed this in my response to Fran.

If you have something original to say and not just pigbacking off of someone else's argument let me know.

It was a pretty weak response. You wanted me gone but never voted for me. You ignored one of the topics of discussion because he was inactive and jumped on another wagon.

If we're talking about piggybacking, how about you agreeing with monkey and nin about me not caring or whatever.

And speaking of weak, how about Kark pushing no lunch yesterday and then being proactive with the "haha Cewyn totally read me as town and me not wanting him dead probably looks suspicious" post so no one else can have an Eureka moment and vote him.
 

Karkador

Banned
And speaking of weak, how about Kark pushing no lunch yesterday and then being proactive with the "haha Cewyn totally read me as town and me not wanting him dead probably looks suspicious" post so no one else can have an Eureka moment and vote him.

If I didn't address it, it would look bad. The way that last post dropped before the flip looked pretty bad.
 
Kark, reread their posts. Zubz denies Blarg's assertion and then Blarg said if we lynch him, Zubz will be night killed.

I'm more inclined to believe Zubz is getting dirtied and Blarg is actually scum at this point lol

You know, Launch, I honestly don't remember a single time when you've not been against me

Now that I'm Town and CLEARED as such, maybe you'll change your mind?
 

NeckToChicken

Unconfirmed Member
Is this where you tell us giving Fat4All a gun was your breadcrumb?
kitsune did say generic rather than vanilla but I can't think of another reason to use that word particularly beyond not necessarily knowing that the preferred term here is vanilla.

I don't know if you remember the challenge melonrabbit posed to me day one and the ensuing idiotic pile of text I barfed out, but I'm the one responsible for poisoning the "generic town" well ("Poisoning the well" is a turn of phrase. I am not indicating there is a poisoner, potential gun jumpers). I would link the post, but honestly I'd rather not look at it again.
 
If I didn't address it, it would look bad. The way that last post dropped before the flip looked pretty bad.

Arguing so vehemently on a D1 lunch to protect fellow scum is not a smart move. Someone would've asked, you would've said something, and everyone would move on.
 
I'm gonna have to do some thorough re-reading here because what a tangle. I am deeply concerned that:

Zubz is not scum
Blarg may be scum - Zubz did clear him, but there's always the possibility of other factors + the shadiness of Blarg and The Great Shifting Story
Kark was certainly weird but not particularly scummy

...and yet there's been almost no discussion of anything else and a lot of people have just slipped through the cracks and past radar and if none of the above are scum, then our chances of hitting scum today and possibly tomorrow are probably quite low.
 

rac

Banned
I'm gonna have to do some thorough re-reading here because what a tangle. I am deeply concerned that:

Zubz is not scum
Blarg may be scum - Zubz did clear him, but there's always the possibility of other factors + the shadiness of Blarg and The Great Shifting Story

Kark was certainly weird but not particularly scummy

...and yet there's been almost no discussion of anything else and a lot of people have just slipped through the cracks and past radar and if none of the above are scum, then our chances of hitting scum today and possibly tomorrow are probably quite low.

how do these two fit?

unless you are saying zubz is lying about being cop
 

franconp

Member
I'm gonna have to do some thorough re-reading here because what a tangle. I am deeply concerned that:

Zubz is not scum
Blarg may be scum - Zubz did clear him, but there's always the possibility of other factors + the shadiness of Blarg and The Great Shifting Story
Kark was certainly weird but not particularly scummy

...and yet there's been almost no discussion of anything else and a lot of people have just slipped through the cracks and past radar and if none of the above are scum, then our chances of hitting scum today and possibly tomorrow are probably quite low.

Monkey I want to introduce you to a friend: His name is Occam and he has a razor.

Can we stop looking for weird theories please. If they behave like scum, make contradictory claims and can keep a plausible story they are more likely scum.
 

Kalor

Member
I feel like I've lost the thread on where Zubz and Blargonaut are at now. Part of me wants to lynch one of them today so that we can get reliable information on at least one of them. If I had to pick one, it would be Blarg because I'd rather lynch him over a potential cop. Ideally the doctor will target Zubz tonight so we won't lose them quickly.

Vote: Blargonaut
 

acohrs

Member
Do prefer a Blarg lynch over a zubz one but at this point id vote for zubz just to get the day to end! The arguments are getting cyclical and crazy
 
Monkey I want to introduce you to a friend: His name is Occam and he has a razor.

Can we stop looking for weird theories please. If they behave like scum, make contradictory claims and can keep a plausible story they are more likely scum.

My not agreeing with you does not equal "looking for weird theories." There are contradictions here that do not jibe even with just a simple "they're scum." Note that it's not just me who has advanced such a thought.
 
I feel like I've lost the thread on where Zubz and Blargonaut are at now. Part of me wants to lynch one of them today so that we can get reliable information on at least one of them. If I had to pick one, it would be Blarg because I'd rather lynch him over a potential cop. Ideally the doctor will target Zubz tonight so we won't lose them quickly.

Vote: Blargonaut

I can agree with much of this. Someone in the mix will have to be flipped in order for the game to proceed and his changing stories slightly edge out Zubz' changing stories for me.

vote: Blargonaut

Sorry, Blarg, doesn't mean I don't love ya. Nor does it mean I don't have some niggling doubt about all this, but it is a situation of y'alls own making.
 
I think it's pretty obvious they're making this all up as they go along.

Gotta commend I guess them for playing claims off eachother, but I don't need a lynch to tell me they are full of shit.

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Kalor, there most likely is not a cop in play at all. It's very unusual to put a oop and a tracker in the same game. Also, if there's a doctor in play, a cop most certainly won't be.

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I would like to know what's really going on in regards to Blag/Zubz but it doesn't look like we're getting any answers there.
 
Well, according to Blarg, at least, if we lynch one the other dies, so that's another part we can test as well. If it's just scum all the way down, well, then we are skating forever.

Looks like Zubz has been largely (maybe always?) town so if he's nervous and rattled could just be that he's not used to playing scum.
 

Fat4all

Banned
I really don't get how a cop could fumble their standing in a game so much with so many small gambit nonsenses

Also, hello, I'm feeling much better again
 

franconp

Member
Well, according to Blarg, at least, if we lynch one the other dies, so that's another part we can test as well. If it's just scum all the way down, well, then we are skating forever.

Looks like Zubz has been largely (maybe always?) town so if he's nervous and rattled could just be that he's not used to playing scum.

Not anymore. Blarg already retracted about the lovers claim:

oh, I'm not asking you to trust me. I'm asking you to trust Zubz & Blargonaut, loose canon partners on the case. If Zubz dies Today, I die Tonight. If I die Today, Zubz dies Tonight. You want that, Launch?

This is one of many claims that they keep changing.
 
Of course Zubz full claims with the one role that wouldn't be an instant lunch. But I would be willing to give him one more night.

I'm more inclined to vote Blarg now.
 
no lynch (0)
karkador 749
blargonaut 850

zubz (6)
franconp 765
kitsunelaine 821
launchpadmcq 835
isaacnukem 839
Karkador (930)
DuskSoldier (965)
Blargonaut (982)

franconp (0)
zubz 796
Blargonaut (1005)

Blargonaut (3)
achors (859)
Kalor (1116)
Hey_Monkey (1119)

Achors (1)
weemadarthur (943)

Karkador (2)
Blargonaut (1058)
Zubz (1088)

Day Ends:
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Majority is 10
 
The last few pages are crazy. I'm not sure why a cop would draw that much attention to themselves, and I've never seen Blargonaut crusade this much for another person. I want to see them both flip. I am living on borrowed time, anyway.
 

Zubz

Banned
Well, looks like we're losing 2 power roles today...

Monkey, you're, like, the only active player I trust right now that isn't also Blarg. I wholeheartedly expect everyone else to get us both killed, especially Blarg. I implore you, please don't vote for him. If we can save Blarg today, maybe Blarg can use his night action. Because I'm willing to bet he's serious about the Night Watch being bulletproof.

Again, between Fran being deliberately obtuse & Kark voting in a way that expedites Day's end, those 2 are prime scum/arsonist candidates. When I flip Cop, please focus on getting those 2 killed. And again, I'm sure I don't need to tell you that everyone voting for a revealed Cop is a candidate as well.
 

Zubz

Banned
The last few pages are crazy. I'm not sure why a cop would draw that much attention to themselves, and I've never seen Blargonaut crusade this much for another person. I want to see them both flip. I am living on borrowed time, anyway.

I've never played with an arsonist. You, like... live if they die, right? Aren't you the least bit concerned about finding the real Kark-er, target?
 
Doesn't feel like the day will end soon. In fact, I'm quite surprised you haven't been hammered if you're really town. People loved to hammer on the previous game I was on.
 
I've never played with an arsonist. You, like... live if they die, right? Aren't you the least bit concerned about finding the real Kark-er, target?
The chances are slimmer than finding scum, so I have resigned myself to my fate. Why would Karkador leave hints that he's an arsonist?
 

Zubz

Banned
The chances are slimmer than finding scum, so I have resigned myself to my fate. Why would Karkador leave hints that he's an arsonist?

He hasn't been. He's just not been subtle about wanting the day to end. He campaigned for a No Kill all day yesterday into the start of this one, when he added to the dogpile I currently have on me when it looked like I might get Turboed.

Karkador wants the day to end early; if he's not at least the arsonist wanting to kill faster, he's Scum trying to cut off discussion. Either way, he's a safe pick to prevent you/the next doused person from dying, if arsonist victims like when the arsonist dies (Again, never played with one).
 
Well, looks like we're losing 2 power roles today...

Monkey, you're, like, the only active player I trust right now that isn't also Blarg. I wholeheartedly expect everyone else to get us both killed, especially Blarg. I implore you, please don't vote for him. If we can save Blarg today, maybe Blarg can use his night action. Because I'm willing to bet he's serious about the Night Watch being bulletproof.

Again, between Fran being deliberately obtuse & Kark voting in a way that expedites Day's end, those 2 are prime scum/arsonist candidates. When I flip Cop, please focus on getting those 2 killed. And again, I'm sure I don't need to tell you that everyone voting for a revealed Cop is a candidate as well.

Thing is, I don't believe Blarg is Night Watch. He might be something. He's not that.

Zubz, I'm always willing to listen. Some of the others aren't, but I am. This also means that I'm a good candidate for fucking up, but what the hell, would always rather have more evidence than less. I'll hang back, but I'm pretty sure one of y'all is gonna go. There's just too many shenanigans on the table. You see that, right?

So I may well end up voting for one of y'all. But I will listen.

I'm re-reading anyway. And fran's insistence that people vote doesn't sit right with me. I don't want to turbo. We've got people who've barely weighed in on this mess.

unvote
 
Did I said that I want them to turbo? I want to see votes. I want to know where everyone is placing their votes. I don't care where they place them but at the end of the day everyone should have made a vote.

If all those people came down and voted for Zubz right now, that would be a turbo.

Let's just let people do their thing and judge them for it appropriately, eh?
 
I've said I would (likely) vote for Zubz previously. Now we have Kark and Blarg as options. I need to reread things and before I put down my vote.

But if you need something here.

Vote: Cabot

Seriously, you were pissed when I didn't take my time to look at all the option on D1 properly and now you want me to rush?
 

franconp

Member
If all those people came down and voted for Zubz right now, that would be a turbo.

Let's just let people do their thing and judge them for it appropriately, eh?

No voting is another way of scum to try to avoid making a statement. I want to know who are they thinking is scum. And I don't want them to come the next day and say that they didn't voted because a turbo was close or because they were busy or on mobile.
 
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