I can't believe this a thing that really happened.
Nancy and Chuck should be super nice to Trump (to his face) for his entire presidency. They can literally suck his dick on live TV if it gets him to do what they want for all I care.
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Trump's debt limit deal with Dems likely to lead to DACA becoming law at end of year
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I can't believe this a thing that really happened.
Nancy and Chuck should be super nice to Trump (to his face) for his entire presidency. They can literally suck his dick on live TV if it gets him to do what they want for all I care.
Trickster
Member
I'm so confused lol
Heard this on NPR this morning
It's an audio only story, but it seems that Christians might do something good for the country at large by pushing for and supporting Dreamers, meaning DACA has a much better shot at becoming law and maybe even be expanded upon if Republicans want to continue to push "Christian" ideals come midterms.
NPR said:
It's an audio only story, but it seems that Christians might do something good for the country at large by pushing for and supporting Dreamers, meaning DACA has a much better shot at becoming law and maybe even be expanded upon if Republicans want to continue to push "Christian" ideals come midterms.
Bitch Pudding
Member
Pelosi is the new puppet master.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
The wicked witch of San Francisco has her spell on Trump!
Netherscourge
Banned
Did Ivanka get to "Daddy" again and tell him to be nice to immigrant kids?
Is this all Ivanka's doing?
Is Ivanka up-ending Bannon's White Supremacy agenda with her Daddy's Girl card?
Is this all Ivanka's doing?
Is Ivanka up-ending Bannon's White Supremacy agenda with her Daddy's Girl card?
BronsonLee
Member
lol that's a foul ass trap
I give it three days before he says something that contradicts this.
Dead Prince
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shes too busy with tax reform right now.
probably find a way to make males btter than females.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
No, Ivanka and Jared are USELESS..
I know you are being sarcastic but everyone needs to understand they those two have ZERO influence need to be lumped in with the rest of the terrible people like Conway, Bannon, Gorka, ect...
If those two DO have influence then they are doing an absolutely TERRIBLE job and deserve to be shunned.
Dubbedinenglish
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Ivanka is more likely to get locked in a bathroom than do anything of use.
But Jared was supposed to bring peace to the middle east!
This actually is a win for trump, just not the GOP. I expect this will actually improve his favoribility numbers rather dramatically. It demonstrates an actual willingness to work with the other side.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
In this instance it works for me. He can brag about it as much as he wants to. lol
Obama tried time and again to work with the GOP.
BoogieWoogie
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Pretty clear. DACA recipients don't have to worry for six months and THEN they're hopelessly fucked. What a heart!
Dude, Obama WANTED to work with the GOP, but they shut down completely with him.
Dubbedinenglish
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He's not gaining any support from Dems and whatever indies get duped, Republicans will hate it.
Obama didn't implement universal healthcare, so Trump will surpass him if he does. I think Obama would be fine with that.
That gambit could actually work on Trump. Ryan and Turtle, though, probably not.
What the fuck is even going on.
fredrancour
Member
Obama tried nonstop and was met with a republican party whose mission statement was obstruction from day 1.
Yeah fair enough. Just read a piece on Obama bipartisan legacy from real clear politics. Just the pervasive republican obstructionism made it hard to see he was actually trying to work with them.
Yeah, all this "Trump got rolled" coverage is prime fuel for another unhinged bar-lowering emergency press conference.
He'll probably hold it just as Irma is hitting so everyone is inside and watching TV so he can snag those ratings.
As much as I think Trump is terrible, I'm not going to handwring on the occasions that he does the right thing. Like, he should do the right thing!
Edit: not saying your handwringing over it, but if Truno did the right thing all of the time I wouldn't hate him as bad.
They literally plotted on how to destroy his presidency on the first day.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
Agree. After thinking about this mind boggling move a lot of the day yesterday I came to the conclusion that it does play well for him on a few fronts.
As you mentioned it shows willingness to work with the other side. It backs congress in a position to start doing work. The vast majority of the electorate has very unfavorable views of congress bc they don't ever do any work. Moves like this make Trump appear to be forcing congress to start working which plays well for him. He's holding the GOP Congress hostage now with the threat of continuing to work with Democrats so he's now in a better position to make them start drafting bills that fulfill his campaign promises. It's a big win for him IMO and big loss for the GOP but he doesn't give a shit about that.
I'm probably giving him way to much credit and thinking out this 'strategy' for him. It's more likely that Schumer/Pelosi just piled on the praise and laid out how much this would piss off Ryan/McConnell and Trump jumped at the chance to piss them off.
Trump doesn't want to deport the dreamers, but he wants congress to approve and exercise the policy, not the white house.
What Trump did allowed him to virtue signal to his base about how tough he is on immigration, but he intends to maintain the status quo by punting the issue to congress and leaving them to deal with it.
Trump seems to be annoyed with the Republicans, and is seeking to freak them out by collaborating with the Democrats. This strengthens his position and entices the Democrats to do more than just reflexive opposition. Trump seems happiest when he appears "unpredictable" and is in a position to play two parties against each other.
He sees himself as a free-wheeling nonpartisan animal and seems to be trying to appeal to the popular instincts of the public without actually upsetting too much of the status quo.
What Trump did allowed him to virtue signal to his base about how tough he is on immigration, but he intends to maintain the status quo by punting the issue to congress and leaving them to deal with it.
Trump seems to be annoyed with the Republicans, and is seeking to freak them out by collaborating with the Democrats. This strengthens his position and entices the Democrats to do more than just reflexive opposition. Trump seems happiest when he appears "unpredictable" and is in a position to play two parties against each other.
He sees himself as a free-wheeling nonpartisan animal and seems to be trying to appeal to the popular instincts of the public without actually upsetting too much of the status quo.
Yes.
BertramCooper
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It's worth noting that W Bush did, too, especially early on in his presidency before he eventually alienated pretty much everyone in the Democratic Party (and beyond).
No Child Left Behind (which, should be noted, fucking sucked) was very much a sweeping bipartisan piece of legislation passed in the brief pre-9/11 window of the W Bush presidency.
It's extremely common for new presidents to seek bipartisan compromise very early on in their presidencies in order to ease tensions from contentious presidential races. The hyperpartisan first seven months of the Trump presidency is abnormal for this early part of a presidency.
I feel the need to make it abundantly clear that George W. Bush was the absolute fucking worst, lest I be misinterpreted as a W sympathizer.
cpp_is_king
Member
Actually the more I think about it, the more I think this is Trump just saying "ok GOP, you wanna fuck with me by not getting on board with my policies? Gear up motherfuckers, I can be chaotic neutral AF." It gives him leverage with dems while simultaneously sending a message to the GOP that they had better start getting on board
SJurgenson
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These "this is a win for Trump" takes are getting nuttier by the hour.
This is like saying "Obama couldn't get single-payer through, only a flawed ACA -- so Trump is going to go for Medicare for All to one up Obama!"
Guys, leave the 9-dimensional chess nonsense to the_donald.
Pelosi and the Democrats have the pee pee tapes now. We're his new masters!
Who's saying Trump is going to go for Medicare for All? Where did that strawman even come from?
His movements on DACA aren't some long-term strategy and he lacks the basic empathy to care about the people he's using as pawns. Trump only cares about Trump. He wants a "win" and isn't all that particular about where it comes from.
Netherscourge
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It wasn't too long ago that Trump was praising Canada for it's Single-Payer Healthcare plan.
Then again, he may have just been saying that to get a Golf Course or Trump Tower built there at the time.
I don't trust anything that man says or does. And it sounds like Republicans don't even trust him anymore.
SJurgenson
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It's as ridiculous an idea as the one I quoted, where Trump wanted to protect immigrants more than Obama.
We cannot just redefine 'winning' as anything that makes Trump happy short term, that's just lazy and idiotic.
If 'he said yes to somebody -- anybody' is now 'winning', he can never lose.
It's well known that Obama wanted a bill but had to settle for making an executing order. Obama said as much. Nobody seriously believes Trump wants to protect immigrants more than Obama did. Trump just wants a bill because he'll perceive it as doing something Obama couldn't, because there's no limit to Trump's petty one-upsmanship.
How will trump, someone not know for understanding, much less conveying complex ideas, convey the fact that congress directly undoing his executive order was exactly what he wanted the whole time?
in fact, what reason do we have to think he even thinks that way?
how is this saving dreamers when they were put in danger through his own actions in the first place?
in fact, what reason do we have to think he even thinks that way?
how is this saving dreamers when they were put in danger through his own actions in the first place?
SJurgenson
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That is ridiculous. There are plenty of things Obama did not and
could not do that are not counter to Trump's positions (as weak as they are).
You're setting up a system where everything Trump does is smart and a win, as there are no possible losing scenarios.
and people wanted to get rid of her
SJurgenson
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That is nuts. He literally announced his candidacy with insane racist rhetoric. Dude does not want to protect immigrants for the sake of a win solely on that fact.
I'm just saying, if he ends up signing DACA into law, good. Personally, I think Trump will give up a lot to have a good headline on TV. What else does he care about more other than himself? If he was at all principled in his racism like sessions that'd be a different story I think.
What system is that? What are you even talking about?
We know Trump is desperate to sign something. Signing something is perceived as "winning" to his tiny lizard brain. We know from the previous thread that "the Trump admin is ending #DACA with 6-month delay to allow congress to find legislative fix". DACA becoming law could give him that legislative fix, which he would perceive as accomplishing something. And that's all the thought he's put into it.