Since OG replicants have a lifespan of only 4 years and the final cut of BR1 heavily implies Deckard is a replicant, how come he's still alive 30 years later? Probably been answers a billion times but I'm curious.
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Since OG replicants have a lifespan of only 4 years and the final cut of BR1 heavily implies Deckard is a replicant, how come he's still alive 30 years later? Probably been answers a billion times but I'm curious.
Except ... it doesn't, not really. She's a way of spelling out his thoughts and feelings about the world in big bright letters, just as the v/o was. Then she gets fridged. Apart from the scene near the end where the talking ad blares out the moral choice he's already made, Joi disappears from every other character's memory, because she was irrelevant and a boring waste of time.
Just like the original's v/o, Joi is what happens when writers, producers, execs, et al. are worried that the main character's interiority will be lost on the viewer, so they contrive a way to make it clear to us. K didn't need a companion or a foil, and he has more interesting sexual dynamics with both Madam and Luv. If you really want to cover the "what does it mean for a robot to love? for a robot to fuck?!" territory, expand the role of the Daryl Hannah lookalike and draw her into the movie a little more. Joi is a crutch.
It doesn't help that it was the worst acting performance in the film.
HE doesn't give a fuck because at this point in the story he is supposed to still be on the line, like his checkup repeatedly confirms. He is a machine taking orders. It would only make sense for him to not give a fuck about some AI JOI program as much as he doesn't give a fuck about killing a replicant just because it's not the same model as himself.
This future mastered space travel to the point of having galactic freighters, has off-world colonies, has brain implants,
Some Nexus 7s were said to have natural lifespans.THIS
Gosling is better than Ford in the OG. Fact.
I forget, but I'm pretty sure they just say "only that one model had lifespans, older and newer ones didnt" or something.Since OG replicants have a lifespan of only 4 years and the final cut of BR1 heavily implies Deckard is a replicant, how come he's still alive 30 years later? Probably been answers a billion times but I'm curious.
Which is the one major hang up I have with the film. We don't really get an explanation as to why everyone believes these new replicants to be more reliable and almost every single one we see disobeys orders and or murders people.Well they assumed they were 100% complaint
Yeah, that rebellion scene was essentially 2049s you are a battery scene from The Matrix. You are not special, you are just another Replicant with the same shared memory implants as many others, you are nothing but a pawn, you are just one of us. Sorry, youre not a real boy, you have no greater purpose.Luckily K (and the movie) turns their back on them.
This movie was good at everything but being entertaining. No kidding, I'm pretty sure 5-10% of the audience fell asleep and didn't catch the ending. Not my kind of movie at all unfortunately.
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So why did he get her in the first place? Getting someone like Joi, especially for a person like K who is alone and it looked down by others, seems like something that a person who gives a fuck would get to have some kind of companionship.
The guy next to me fell asleep.
I assume she controls the heating. Maybe the alarm clock too. You know, Siri, everyone uses Siri, they just got a JOI feature on top. It just comes with it, he doesn't care, not even enough to turn her off.
What I don't understand is they say this is all gonna happen in 32 years. My ass!
Since OG replicants have a lifespan of only 4 years and the final cut of BR1 heavily implies Deckard is a replicant, how come he's still alive 30 years later? Probably been answered a billion times but I'm curious.
No they don't.
What are Bladerunners? Are they just people who kill Replicants or are they Replicants who kill Replicants?
If you take the theatrical cut as canon, Rachael was special and would have lived past the Nexus 6 span (this is in the v/o, of course, because the v/o loves to hammer you over the head with what's going on in the movie ... much like Joi in this one ).Some Nexus 7s were said to have natural lifespans.
Wallace's speech about him having being ordained to meet Rachel is probably supposed to be a potential explanation, which is dumb to begin with
I disagree. The hologram girlfriend helped build up K's uniqueness and specialness, then shatter it away again as we learn that's exactly what she is created to do.
The most useless part of the film was the Replicant army. Utterly pointless piece of fluff beyond showing that the current crop of Blade Runners are very bad at their jobs.
He's a fake person as in, that's what he is at this point in the movie; he's there to take orders and kill replicants, not jerk off.
I like the barrage of "you didn't understand the plot" whenever someone doesn't like how it turned out while the original is one of my top three best movies ever.
Why are you even in this thread if you don't know this, its in the intro of both films.
What? No he literally says that he thinks Tyrell built them both to bone and make replicant babies. He does admittedly immediately follow it up with "If you were designed at all" to keep the whole "Is Deckard a replicant" discussion alive but the whole theory he posits is that Tyrel built them and introduced Deckard and Rachel to get them to make Replicant babies.Wallace loves talking in metaphors, the whole angels in Eden business, its clear he has a god complex.
Saying Deckard and Rachel's meeting was planned doesnt literally mean they were set up to bone, it was just a happy cooincidence. Fate, destiny, prophecy, chance. Call it what you like.
The opening text in Blade Runner 2049 makes that clear: Everything past Nexus 6 (which were the replicants in the original film), had natural lifespans, Nexus 7 and Nexus 8. It's presumed Rachael (and Deckard if he's a replicant) were these later Nexus models.
Even in the first movie, Tyrell is explaining to Roy how they're trying to alter the pre-existing Nexus 6 models so they can have natural lifespans, it wasn't a case of if by that point, but when.
Did they ever mention if K had a limited lifespan? I didn't hear anything but there were some lines that were muffled so I might have missed it.
What you just said didn't contradict anything I said.No, all nexus models had limited lifespans in BR1. Six just had very limited spans.
Replicant's are obedient slaves not robots. They apparently need a sense of normalcy do their job correctly. Hence why they give them fake memories, eat food, have apartments, see prostitutes etc.
Obedient and emotionless in their line of workNot really. They need to eat food because they need fuel like anyone, same reason for sleeping. No they are not robots, but it says clearly at the start of the movie that this generation of replicants are VERY obedient. He's not like BR1's. And there is a program that specifically checks on him, and he states himself he gives no fuck killing the replicant at the start because he is not of the same model as himself. Why would he care about an AI then? The movie sets him up as essentially a machine, then trips on itself and it goes out the window right away.
Not really. They need to eat food because they need fuel like anyone, same reason for sleeping. No they are not robots, but it says clearly at the start of the movie that this generation of replicants are VERY obedient. He's not like BR1's. And there is a program that specifically checks on him, and he states himself he gives no fuck killing the replicant at the start because he is not of the same model as himself. Why would he care about an AI then? The movie sets him up as essentially a machine, then trips on itself and it goes out the window right away.
Blade Runner is set in 2019. For your reference, the current year we are living in is 2017.2049 - 2017 = 32
No he isn't. He clearly has emotions and empathy, hence his hunched "just try to ignore it" posture and attitude when going through the police station and getting a derogatory word yelled at him, him getting angry during the opening fight and being affected by Morgan's words, and him joking with JoiNot really. They need to eat food because they need fuel like anyone, same reason for sleeping. No they are not robots, but it says clearly at the start of the movie that this generation of replicants are VERY obedient. He's not like BR1's. And there is a program that specifically checks on him, and he states himself he gives no fuck killing the replicant at the start because he is not of the same model as himself. Why would he care about an AI then? The movie sets him up as essentially a machine, then trips on itself and it goes out the window right away.
Blade Runner is set in 2019. For your reference, the current year we are living in is 2017.
That seems even more unrealistic. Two years??
None of this was lost on me, I promise you. I just think it's a set of boring cliches this movie didn't need. It is the movie Her, inserted into the Blade Runner universe, which already has lots and lots of interesting material about artifice and exploitation and false beliefs and what's truly human without adding AI holograms to the mix. It's an extra piece of weight thrown on top of a movie that's already overlong and creaking.Joi's character is about the intersection between what's real and fake. From the very first scene when she put that holographic image over K's noodles, her role in the film is about K's own belief. K has to constantly overlook all of these issues such as her holographic image being interrupted in the rain, freezing when he got the call, and not being able to physically touch him. K has to continually deceive himself into believing that she's real.
You just described a whole bunch of stuff we learned and intuited without needing Joi in the movie. Delete her, expand the role of the pleasure model to be K's on-off replicant friend with benefits, cover the same Philosophy 101 terrain ("robots? humans? sex?? love? what is ' ' ' real ' ' ' when you think about it?") in less time, reduce the character list and emotional redundancies, lose nothing except Ana de Armas's smile. Joi is extraneous.He has to do this because it's pretty much the only thing keeping him sane as he has nothing in that world. He is spat on by his colleagues, insulted going to and from work, has no real childhood memories to call his own, and pretty much no singular identity. This is the only thing he can call his. This relationship, that he knows is bullshit, is the one thing that he himself has.
But the movie already has a deeper, richer character we spend more time with who extensively digs into question about carrying out programming and orders versus making radical choices to love and care. His name is K.On top of that there's the notion of how much is Joi's character programmed to love K and how much is her 'own' feelings. The film repeatedly bounces back and forth between the idea that she's only carrying out programming and she might somehow be learning to care about him. There's also other elements you can dive into such as if you believe her interactions the entire movie was programming then a separate theme could be about companies tricking people into thinking they're special so as to sell products.
She is a body in a fridge that no one talks about after she dies, not once, and whom only one person even thinks about. Everything her character does for the plot could be done by the Hannah lookalike. She is more or less a figment of K's imagination, a way of dramatizing some stuff he thinks about and go through. There are other, subtler, less staid ways of doing that, and "I have to avenge my slain love interest; she was the only one who understood me!" is kind of played out.Her death is one of the primary forces motivating K at the end as well in that he both wanted revenge for Joi but also give something real and meaningful to someone else. If he couldn't have a real relationship then he could at least try and do that for Deckard..
you cannot be serious
That seems even more unrealistic. Two years??
You know that Star Wars was not actually a long time ago aswell?
I don't get why people say this shit man. I'm sorry dude, just need some questions clarified about the movie I saw last night. I don't have crazy theories to contribute.He's not. This poster gets off on going into movie threads and being overly obtuse.
He clearly has emotions and empathy, hence his hunched "just try to ignore it" posture and attitude when going through the police station and getting a derogatory word yelled at him